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'Soldier beheaded' in Woolwich machete attack: latest

Quik said:
Right, and it created blowback.
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and not doing anything would certainly have consequences as well. But I am unsure how such obvious points really speak to anything here
 
No, but if I was that would have no effect on my argument (ad hominem). Nope, I'm Christian, anti-communist, and anti-government in general.
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This is another clear case of Al-taqiyya.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
and not doing anything would certainly have consequences as well. But I am unsure how such obvious points really speak to anything here
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Which is why the government shouldn't interfere. If a tornado knocks down your home, that is not the governments fault. If the government uses eminent domain and knocks your home down, that is the governments fault.
 
Grant said:
This is another clear case of Al-taqiyya.
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Nobody knows what the hell you are talking about right now, speak English.
 
Quik said:
Dr. Chuckles said:
Nope, we have an imperialist foreign policy. A good indication is the fact that WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE EAST and CENTRAL ASIA. It's not even in our HEMISPHERE. It's on the OPPOSITE side of the world. Our empire is large, global in reach. Pax Americana.
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simply having bases in a foreign country isn't imperialism, either



Which resulted in a power vacuum which lead to the rise of the Taliban. Seriously, why aren't you able to connect the dots? Is there something wrong with you?
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So we are going to simply ignore the much greater involvement of the soviets and the fact that the Taliban was a product of Pashtun culture and society?


We bombed North Korea? I didn't know that! {/quote]

from above "account for increased tension towards NK". Notice I do not claim we bombed them


Sure they do, if you decided, completely voluntarily, to drop a bomb from a plane and you know that innocent civilians are going to die you are effectively targeting them.
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Not really, and the Geneva convention did not enshrine such because it would only give credence and legitimacy to the use of human shields


And the only reason the original decision was made is because they are a Muslim nation.
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harboring elements of AQ might have had something to do with it ...
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Quik said:
I think Kyrgyzstan was much better off under Soviet influence than they would have been under Islam. Much better.
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You prefer the Soviet terrorist. OK. I'll give you Kyrgyzstan
99.99% of the world is better off and would have been better off without the Soviet menace. They are a root cause for Afghanistan's ills.
It's ironic because it's people like you who keep cheering on this disastrous foreign policy that gets Americans killed with absolutely no benefit to Americans in general, not to mention it bankrupts our country in the process.
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Really? We didn't get hit after 911 when Bush 43 was running the show, and it's weak kneed, hand wringing, linguini spined leftist who get Americans killed. Benghazi is due to a bunch of Leftist dweebs not committing to Job#1... National Security and that of our consulates.


Benghazi is a perfect illustration of the problem, and people like you would be funny if it weren't so damn sad. Americans got killed, but people are outraged for the wrong reasons. They don't bother to ask the question of why Benghazi was lawless in the first place -- BECAUSE WE BOMBED THE **** OUT OF LIBYA AND DESTROYED THEIR GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING THE MILITARY AND POLICE. But instead of questioning the wisdom of bombing the **** out of Libya in the first place, people are busy squabbling over memos and other silly ****. People like you miss the big picture, so little media distractions like this are designed just for you, in order to keep you occupied and uninformed when it comes to the larger issues. It's ok I guess.
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Smacked some sense into your head in the quote above.

You sound very much like The Moron with the Machete. Almost to the word.
 
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Quik said:
simply having bases in a foreign country isn't imperialism, either
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It is when you have over a hundred of them spread across the globe.

So we are going to simply ignore the much greater involvement of the soviets and the fact that the Taliban was a product of Pashtun culture and society?
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I don't care how the Soviet Union wastes their money, they don't steal it from me to pay for their socialist programs or imperialist wars. The US government does. Therefore, I'm much more concerned with how my government wastes my money rather than how other governments waste their citizens money.

from above "account for increased tension towards NK". Notice I do not claim we bombed them
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Who cares about "increased tension?" I'm talking about killing people out of revenge.

Not really, and the Geneva convention did not enshrine such because it would only give credence and legitimacy to the use of human shields
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Yes it is the same thing. Our government targeted Muslim nations for death and tens of thousands of innocent people died, not to mention all of our soldiers who died or got their limbs blown off in these pointless escapades.

harboring elements of AQ might have had something to do with it ...
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That's why we bombed Iraq? No, I don't think so.
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Quik said:
Dr. Chuckles said:
Yes it is the same thing. Our government targeted Muslim nations for death and tens of thousands of innocent people died, not to mention all of our soldiers who died or got their limbs blown off in these pointless escapades.
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False. We targeted no country because of their religion.:cool:
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Grant said:
I thought it was "It's All About Oil" at one time. Has that been altered recently to "It's All About Muslims"?
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Who knows, I don't get involved with your little left/right he said she said games that you play with the Democrats. You are a statist and I'm an advocate of liberty. I don't make exceptions based upon which party is in power like you do. You're all the same to me.
 
Quik said:
That explains why all of our victims are Muslim.
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Perhaps that ties into the international terrorism being committed by Islamists against people of all faiths, including their own.
 
Quik said:
Who knows, I don't get involved with your little left/right he said she said games that you play with the Democrats. You are a statist and I'm an advocate of liberty. I don't make exceptions based upon which party is in power like you do. You're all the same to me.
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Good to hear you're a defender of liberty.

Isn't it terrible what Islamists are doing against women, Gays, Jews, Christians, adulterers, etc. We surely must continue to fight against these injustices and am pleased to see we agree in this area.
 
zimmer said:
You prefer the Soviet terrorist. OK. I'll give you Kyrgyzstan
99.99% of the world is better off and would have been better off without the Soviet menace. They are a root cause for Afghanistan's ills.
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False. There is also Chechnya, in fact much of Muslim/Caucuses Russia in general was better off under Soviet influence. Uzbekistan. Dagestan. Kyrgyzstan. Afghanistan too, which probably would have ended up like the others if we didn't intervene.

Really? We didn't get hit after 911 when Bush 43 was running the show, and it's weak kneed, hand wringing, linguini spined leftist who get Americans killed. Benghazi is due to a bunch of Leftist dweebs not committing to Job#1... National Security and that of our consulates.
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It's easy to be "tough" with other peoples lives, chickenhawks are amusing.

And we did get attacked. Thousands of soldiers lost their lives in these pointless wars, what are you talking about? The only reason 9/11 happened in the first place was BECAUSE OF OUR FOREIGN POLICY. If we weren't dicking around in the Middle East in the first place we wouldn't have pissed them off enough for them to fly planes into buildings.

Smacked some sense into your head in the quote above.

You sound very much like The Moron with the Machete. Almost to the word.
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You are a rather typical brainwashed citizen. You think the government is "protecting" you by stealing your money to pay for pointless wars that don't make you safer, and arguably make you a lot less safe. War is the health of the state, and you are a statist.
 
Quik said:
It is when you have over a hundred of them spread across the globe.
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That is still not imperialism



I don't care how the Soviet Union wastes their money, they don't steal it from me to pay for their socialist programs or imperialist wars. The US government does. Therefore, I'm much more concerned with how my government wastes my money rather than how other governments waste their citizens money.
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My argument didn't concern the soviets spending money. it concerned the fact that you seem intent on ignoring our role in Afghanistan was rather limited and consisted of transferring funds and weapons to a popular revolution movement. And that years after we stopped all such activities, the Taliban rose out of the dominate ethnic group



Who cares about "increased tension?" I'm talking about killing people out of revenge.
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You're saying we went after muslims, but such ignores NK was part of the whole "axis of evil" thing



Yes it is the same thing.
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No it really isn't and I just explained why

Our government targeted Muslim nations for death and tens of thousands of innocent people died, not to mention all of our soldiers who died or got their limbs blown off in these pointless escapades.
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No, we targeted a country harboring those who orchestrated attacks against the US, and used such as a pretext to attack another country we had long simering tensions with.

Being "muslim" had nothing to do with it. Which is obvious from the fact that we have close Muslim allies


That's why we bombed Iraq? No, I don't think so.
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I was obviously referencing Afghanistan. But it wasn't like our tensions with Iraq started overnight or based on the country being majority islamic

But you're still all over the place here
 
Quik said:
False. There is also Chechnya, in fact much of Muslim/Caucuses Russia in general was better off under Soviet influence. Uzbekistan. Dagestan. Kyrgyzstan. Afghanistan too, which probably would have ended up like the others if we didn't intervene.
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At your pace you should include Yugoslavia.

It's idiotic to believe anyone is better under a totalitarian, terrorist regime. But... American leftists... they could live with it.

It's easy to be "tough" with other peoples lives, chickenhawks are amusing.
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Chickenhawks?
You find that Bush 43's policies that resulted in us not getting hit during his time... Chickenhawkish?

You see... it's leftists who don't believe in a strong military, border control, and who do everything in their power to weaken institutions vital to national security that are dangerous to Americans and America.

The world without America would be a very dark place. But... the leftists have some perverted guilt syndrome and warped view of the world. They believe if we did nothing, we wouldn't have a problem.

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And we did get attacked. Thousands of soldiers lost their lives in these pointless wars, what are you talking about? The only reason 9/11 happened in the first place was BECAUSE OF OUR FOREIGN POLICY. If we weren't dicking around in the Middle East in the first place we wouldn't have pissed them off enough for them to fly planes into buildings.
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You mean the Kuwaiti's didn't want us to assist them?

With your world view... Saddam would have marched all over the ME.


You are a rather typical brainwashed citizen. You think the government is "protecting" you by stealing your money to pay for pointless wars that don't make you safer, and arguably make you a lot less safe. War is the health of the state, and you are a statist.
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The role of the government is not to create Ponzi Schemes and waste trillions doing so. It's not there to "invest". It's #1 job IS national security, for without it, we have no future.

I would love to live in some Utopian fantasy where everyone gets along, but that's not the history of mankind, and it's not the world we're living in. You seem to embrace that world view, and also embrace the world view of The Moron with the Machete. As noted before... you sound very much like him... and it's folks like you who are very dangerous... and our enemies, those who lop off heads... love you.
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zimmer said:
At your pace you should include Yugoslavia.

It's idiotic to believe anyone is better under a totalitarian, terrorist regime. But... American leftists... they could live with it.
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It's idiotic to believe destroying secular governments will somehow decrease Islamic fundamentalism, but statists believe in all sorts of crazy myths.

Chickenhawks?
You find that Bush 43's policies that resulted in us not getting hit during his time... Chickenhawkish?

You see... it's leftists who don't believe in a strong military, border control, and who do everything in their power to weaken institutions vital to national security that are dangerous to Americans and America.

The world without America would be a very dark place. But... the leftists have some perverted guilt syndrome and warped view of the world. They believe if we did nothing, we wouldn't have a problem.
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I don't subscribe to your pre-school left/right worldview, only ignorant people do. It's one way that I can tell whether somebody is informed or uninformed, whether or not they think in terms of left and right. I'm far right of the economic scale compared to you, in fact I wouldn't even register on your charts. I simply oppose authoritarianism and the state in general as it is an impediment to free trade. Pointless wars are also an impediment to free trade as well. They serve only one purpose which is to increase the power and authority of the state. And then people like you wonder how the government has become so big and powerful. It's funny. War is the health of the state.

You mean the Kuwaiti's didn't want us to assist them?

With your world view... Saddam would have marched all over the ME.
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Fine with me, I don't take sides between secular dictators and Islamic fundamentalists. They can kill each other all they want. Let him try to occupy and control the Islamic fundamentalists, rather than making it our problem.

The role of the government is not to create Ponzi Schemes and waste trillions doing so. It's not there to "invest". It's #1 job IS national security, for without it, we have no future.
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2 things here:

1) Pointless wars are ponzi schemes that waste trillions of dollars
2) Pointless wars don't make us safer, they make us less safe.

I would love to live in some Utopian fantasy where everyone gets along, but that's not the history of mankind, and it's not the world we're living in. You seem to embrace that world view, and also embrace the world view of The Moron with the Machete. As noted before... you sound very much like him... and it's folks like you who are very dangerous... and our enemies, those who lop off heads... love you.
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It's ironic because it's people like you who created those enemies in the first place. And now you try to justify the existence of your pointless wars in order to "protect" us from these enemies that you have created with your meddling.
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Quik said:
It's idiotic to believe destroying secular governments will somehow decrease Islamic fundamentalism, but statists believe in all sorts of crazy myths.
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Who said it did? I didn't... but I believe in free will.

Communism was a totalitarian state that suppressed hundreds of millions and killed tens upon tens of millions. I will take all of them free from Communism and deal with the maggots that emerge from the system of freedom from Communism.

It would be poetic justice to see you trapped in the feces known as Communism, and when you wanted to exercise YOUR human rights... someone tells you... Maggot... shut the fark up. We have other maggots to take care of, and your freedom is the price we must pay. I say "we" because it's how leftist turds often frame their sick ideology and actions related to it.

I don't subscribe to your pre-school left/right worldview, only ignorant people do.
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ROTFLOL... there are different schools of thought and you seem to believe Communism was a good thing. That to me is a retarded school of thought. You also seem to mouth the same sentiments as The Moron with the Machete. You support the most extreme lunatics in society. Good on ya mate... you sound like a Leftist to me.

I'm far right of the economic scale compared to you, in fact I wouldn't even register on your charts. I simply oppose authoritarianism and the state in general as it is an impediment to free trade.
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You are further right on the economic scale than I am, and wouldn't even register on your charts... Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright.

You don't oppose authoritarianism... you have stated here repeatedly you think Communism was a good thing. This reveals how muddled your thinking is.

Pointless wars are also an impediment to free trade as well. They serve only one purpose which is to increase the power and authority of the state. And then people like you wonder how the government has become so big and powerful. It's funny. War is the health of the state.
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Wars are fought for control and FREEDOM. LIBERTY.
You are a tremendous example of the poison in our schools. This is a serious question. Have you graduated high school yet?


It's ironic because it's people like you who created those enemies in the first place.
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Really? ROTFLOL... what did I do?


And now you try to justify the existence of your pointless wars in order to "protect" us from these enemies that you have created with your meddling.
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I'm curious... give me a number of examples of "my meddling".
 
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zimmer said:
Who said it did? I didn't... but I believe in free will.

Communism was a totalitarian state that suppressed hundreds of millions and killed tens upon tens of millions. I will take all of them free from Communism and deal with the maggots that emerge from the system of freedom from Communism.

It would be poetic justice to see you trapped in the feces known as Communism, and when you wanted to exercise YOUR human rights... someone tells you... Maggot... shut the fark up. We have other maggots to take care of, and your freedom is the price we must pay. I say "we" because it's how leftist turds often frame their sick ideology and actions related to it.


ROTFLOL... there are different schools of though and you seem to believe Communism was a good thing. That to me is a retarded school of thought. You also seem to mouth the same sentiments as The Moron with the Machete. You support the most extreme lunatics in society. Good on ya mate... you sound like a Leftist to me.


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You are further right on the economic scale than I am, and wouldn't even register on your charts... Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright.

You don't oppose authoritarianism... you have stated here repeatedly you think Communism was a good thing. This reveals how muddled your thinking is.

Wars are fought for control and FREEDOM. LIBERTY.
You are a tremendous example of the poison in our schools. This is a serious question. Have you graduated high school yet?

Really? ROTFLOL... what did I do?
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I think it's safe to say that you are not a rational thinker, and thus a rational discussion is not possible with you.

I'm curious... give me a number of examples of "our meddling".
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I've given you several. If you can't keep up then I don't have time to keep repeating myself.
 
"Communism" was not a "totalitarian state" by the way, you are thinking of the Soviet Union.
 
Quik said:
I think it's safe to say that you are not a rational thinker, and thus a rational discussion is not possible with you.
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You claim to be anti-authoritarian, and from the same fingertips comes a defense of one of the world's most perverted ideologies... Communism.

When you get your ass handed to you, debate isn't possible... because you're defeated.

I really would love to see you in a gulag, and some Commi official telling you that you're a perceived threat (whether you are or not), and because we need to control potential Islamofascists you will simply have to suck it up in some hell hole for the remainder of YOUR life. For the good of the masses.
 
zimmer said:
You claim to be anti-authoritarian, and from the same fingertips comes a defense of one of the world's most perverted ideologies... Communism.
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This is how I know you are not rational. A rational person would have been able to discern the difference between "supporting communism" and advocating non-interventionism. Was the Soviet's system good? No. Was it better than Islamic fundamentalism? I think so. Afghanistan and Kyrgyzstan are great examples of the differences. One was Soviet controlled, the other was pushed out with our help. One fell to Islamic fundamentalism, the other remains largely secular.

But only an irrational person could read that and say "SO YOU THINK COMMUNISM IS GOOD?"
 
Quik said:
This is how I know you are not rational. A rational person would have been able to discern the difference between "supporting communism" and advocating non-interventionism. Was the Soviet's system good? No. Was it better than Islamic fundamentalism? I think so.
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This tells me you have zero clue about the evils of Communism. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

But only an irrational person could read that and say "SO YOU THINK COMMUNISM IS GOOD?"
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You lament the loss of Communism because a bunch of kooks emerged from it. I prefer people to live freely. If they choose to become a menace to society... then they are dealt with.

You cannot say you're anti-authoritarian, and then defend Communism.

I'm curious... have you graduated high school yet?
 
zimmer said:
This tells me you have zero clue about the evils of Communism. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.
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"Ok." Explain how Soviet evils in Kyrgyzstan were worse than Islamic fundamentalist evils in Afghanistan. I'll be waiting over here. Or better yet, explain how the Taliban was better than the socialist government of Afghanistan.

You lament the loss of Communism because a bunch of kooks emerged from it. I prefer people to live freely. If they choose to become a menace to society... then they are dealt with.

You cannot say you're anti-authoritarian, and then defend Communism.
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More proof that you are not rational. If I'm "defending communism," then by your exact same, identical logic, you are in fact defending Islamic fundamentalism. Do you see why your logic is stupid?

I'm curious... have you graduated high school yet?
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The irony is almost tangible.
 
Quik said:
"Ok." Explain how Soviet evils in Kyrgyzstan were worse than Islamic fundamentalist evils in Afghanistan. I'll be waiting over here. Or better yet, explain how the Taliban was better than the socialist government of Afghanistan.
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You are the one who said Communism was a good thing as to squelch Islamofascists. I say... let people be free to choose their own way. If it's perverted... we deal with it.


More proof that you are not rational. If I'm "defending communism," then by your exact same, identical logic, you are in fact defending Islamic fundamentalism. Do you see why your logic is stupid?
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I'm defending freedom and have said so all along.

You do not enslave hundreds of millions to protect yourself from a potential threat. You allow them all freedom, and deal with the bad eggs as the come.

You preferred Communism for its suppressing effects. A sick world view, as is The Moron with the Machete world view... and you have subscribed to both in this thread.
 
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