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Issa's Benghazi narrative falling apart

You do know the Drudge Retort is not the Drudge Report, right?

Ahhh.. Whoops. My mistake. I guess it's not true then.
Or wait.. we can see the emails... and see how they've been changed. Apparently there was a Benghazi cover up...Well, maybe it wasn't exactly a cover up. It was more like a made-up-cover-up.
 
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At last, something illegal and a coverup. Why else would Issa not be talking? Who's going to jail? that is what I want to know. Issa, Boehner? You know the leadership of the Repubs knew, they had to'

If this is true watch the RWs completely ignore it.

Heya Mak :2wave:.....Yeah Until CBS put out the rest. ;)

Rice's widely debunked remarks that cited protests over an anti-Islam video as the cause of the attack fueled the criticism of the administration and later cost her a chance at becoming secretary of state.

According to the 99 pages of emails, then CIA-Director David Petraeus objected to the final talking points because he wanted to see more details revealed to the public.

In the original draft of the talking points, the CIA said the assault may have been "spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. Consulate," CBS News chief White House correspondent Major Garrett reports.

But the first version also acknowledged that "Islamic extremists with ties to al Qaeda participated in the attack" and that there had been "at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi" in the previous six months and that "we cannot rule out that individuals had previously surveilled the U.S. facilities."

Petraeus' deputy, Mike Morell, after a meeting at the White House on Saturday, Sept. 15, scratched out from the CIA's early talking point drafts mentions of al Qaeda, the experience of fighters in Libya, Islamic extremists and a warning to the Cairo embassy on the eve of the attacks of calls for a demonstration and break-in by jihadists.

Benghazi timeline: How the attack unfolded
Timeline: How the probe unfolded

Intelligence officials told CBS News that Morell was worried that naming the terror groups would unnecessarily influence the FBI investigation. The intelligence community also wanted to protect classified information already pointing to possible culprits, Garrett reports.

Petraeus apparently was displeased by the removal of so much of the material his analysts had proposed for release. The talking points were sent to Rice to prepare her for an appearance on news shows on Sunday, Sept. 16, and also to members of the House Intelligence Committee.

"No mention of the cable to Cairo, either?" Petraeus wrote after receiving Morell's edited version, developed after an intense back-and-forth among Obama administration officials. "Frankly, I'd just as soon not use this, then."

The emails were partially blacked out, including removal of names of senders and recipients who are career employees at the CIA and elsewhere.

The intelligence official said Morell was aware of Nuland's objections but did not make the changes under pressure from the State Department but because he independently shared the concerns.

That is contradicted in an email sent to Rice on Sept. 15 at 1:23 p.m. by a member of her staff whose name was blacked out. The email said Morell indicated he would work with Sullivan and Ben Rhodes, the White House deputy national security adviser, to revise the talking points. The intelligence official disputed that assertion and insisted Morell acted alone.

Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, who sits on the Intelligence Committee, said of the emails, "I didn't find anything that looked like a smoking gun in terms of political cooking of the talking points. There is very little input from the White House."

But he said: "There are some things to criticize in here. The State Department looks like it is trying to avoid blame.".....snip~

White House Benghazi email release prompts GOP to demand more - CBS News
 
So what is stopping them from spewing on MSNBC, or CNN? I'm sure they'd have them? No? Why not?

Who (what is the person name) who decided to lie to the people and claim it was a video? Come on mr.transperancy you know!

Why did that person make that decision? Again mr. transparent administration knows. Why can't we?

Ap[pearing on biased talk shows means nothing. Talking at the hearings means a whole lot more and you know it.
 
Do you see a smoking gun? I see nothing here that is not appropriate, unless, you have a very active imagination and use all that imagination to imagine wrongdoing.
Heya Mak :2wave:.....Yeah Until CBS put out the rest. ;)

Rice's widely debunked remarks that cited protests over an anti-Islam video as the cause of the attack fueled the criticism of the administration and later cost her a chance at becoming secretary of state.

According to the 99 pages of emails, then CIA-Director David Petraeus objected to the final talking points because he wanted to see more details revealed to the public.

In the original draft of the talking points, the CIA said the assault may have been "spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. Consulate," CBS News chief White House correspondent Major Garrett reports.

But the first version also acknowledged that "Islamic extremists with ties to al Qaeda participated in the attack" and that there had been "at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi" in the previous six months and that "we cannot rule out that individuals had previously surveilled the U.S. facilities."

Petraeus' deputy, Mike Morell, after a meeting at the White House on Saturday, Sept. 15, scratched out from the CIA's early talking point drafts mentions of al Qaeda, the experience of fighters in Libya, Islamic extremists and a warning to the Cairo embassy on the eve of the attacks of calls for a demonstration and break-in by jihadists.

Benghazi timeline: How the attack unfolded
Timeline: How the probe unfolded

Intelligence officials told CBS News that Morell was worried that naming the terror groups would unnecessarily influence the FBI investigation. The intelligence community also wanted to protect classified information already pointing to possible culprits, Garrett reports.

Petraeus apparently was displeased by the removal of so much of the material his analysts had proposed for release. The talking points were sent to Rice to prepare her for an appearance on news shows on Sunday, Sept. 16, and also to members of the House Intelligence Committee.

"No mention of the cable to Cairo, either?" Petraeus wrote after receiving Morell's edited version, developed after an intense back-and-forth among Obama administration officials. "Frankly, I'd just as soon not use this, then."

The emails were partially blacked out, including removal of names of senders and recipients who are career employees at the CIA and elsewhere.

The intelligence official said Morell was aware of Nuland's objections but did not make the changes under pressure from the State Department but because he independently shared the concerns.

That is contradicted in an email sent to Rice on Sept. 15 at 1:23 p.m. by a member of her staff whose name was blacked out. The email said Morell indicated he would work with Sullivan and Ben Rhodes, the White House deputy national security adviser, to revise the talking points. The intelligence official disputed that assertion and insisted Morell acted alone.

Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, who sits on the Intelligence Committee, said of the emails, "I didn't find anything that looked like a smoking gun in terms of political cooking of the talking points. There is very little input from the White House."

But he said: "There are some things to criticize in here. The State Department looks like it is trying to avoid blame.".....snip~

White House Benghazi email release prompts GOP to demand more - CBS News
 
All bluster thus far and now that independent investigators don't turn up the narrative that Issa wants to push, he hides them from public testimony.

Pickering, Mullen challenge Issa to let them testify in public

In a letter to Rep. Darrell Issa exclusively obtained by CNN, the co-chairmen behind an independent review of September's deadly attack in Benghazi, Libya, expressed irritation over the House Oversight Committee chairman's portrayal of their work and requested he call a public hearing at which they can testify.

"The public deserves to hear your questions and our answers," wrote former Ambassador Thomas Pickering and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen, co-chairmen of the Accountability Review Board that was convened to investigate the September 11th attack.

The dispute between Issa and the co-chairmen came to a head after neither Pickering nor Mullen attended a May 8 House Oversight Committee hearing on the attacks, sparking a heated back and forth about who was invited and when. The rhetoric intensified Sunday during a highly contentious joint appearance with Issa and Pickering on NBC's "Meet the Press" in which Issa maintained the two "refused to come before our committee." Pickering insisted that he was not invited despite expressing a willingness to testify.

Issa also suggested on the program that Pickering and Mullen meet with the committee behind closed doors so as not to create "some sort of stage show." But the two assert in their letter that a public hearing is a "more appropriate forum" and accuse Issa of changing his "position on the terms of our appearance."​



And there continues to be no there there so Issa and the after-birthers(tm) just make one up.

*edit... I just came up with that term to describe the ongoing conspiracy fabricators so if you see it on the Daily Show or whatever... you heard it here first. lol
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Ha-haa-ha-haaaa......Darrell Isaa objects to "some sort of stage show"?
Haa-ha-ha-haaaaaa.........Darrell, you're killin' me here...ha-ha-haaaaaaa....
 
Is he the Issa who voted against funding for extra diplomatic protection abroad, in places like Benghazi?
 
Do you see a smoking gun? I see nothing here that is not appropriate, unless, you have a very active imagination and use all that imagination to imagine wrongdoing.

Well, I did tell you to read Gloria Borgia's Report. Then there was also Peggy Noonan's. Seems there are a Couple news Sources that are onto what they are talking about.

Course it is no longer a Smoking Gun that the State Dept ignored Direct Warnings from the Libyans 48hrs in advance of the attack on the Diplomatic Facility. Nor is it a smoking gun that Nuland was doing all she could to prevent the State Dept from being thrown under the Bus. Due to all the failures that the ARB found.

Also BTW.....at the time of the Attack. There was No FBI investigation going on in Libya as Morell tried to tell people.
 
Well, I did tell you to read Gloria Borgia's Report. Then there was also Peggy Noonan's. Seems there are a Couple news Sources that are onto what they are talking about.

Course it is no longer a Smoking Gun that the State Dept ignored Direct Warnings from the Libyans 48hrs in advance of the attack on the Diplomatic Facility. Nor is it a smoking gun that Nuland was doing all she could to prevent the State Dept from being thrown under the Bus. Due to all the failures that the ARB found.

Also BTW.....at the time of the Attack. There was No FBI investigation going on in Libya as Morell tried to tell people.

The administration's objective was to protect Hillary and BHO.:cool:
 
All bluster thus far and now that independent investigators don't turn
up the narrative that Issa wants to push, he hides them from public testimony.

Pickering, Mullen challenge Issa to let them testify in public

In a letter to Rep. Darrell Issa exclusively obtained by CNN, the co-chairmen behind an independent review of September's deadly attack in Benghazi, Libya, expressed irritation over the House Oversight Committee chairman's portrayal of their work and requested he call a public hearing at which they can testify.

"The public deserves to hear your questions and our answers," wrote former Ambassador Thomas Pickering and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen, co-chairmen of the Accountability Review Board that was convened to investigate the September 11th attack.

The dispute between Issa and the co-chairmen came to a head after neither Pickering nor Mullen attended a May 8 House Oversight Committee hearing on the attacks, sparking a heated back and forth about who was invited and when. The rhetoric intensified Sunday during a highly contentious joint appearance with Issa and Pickering on NBC's "Meet the Press" in which Issa maintained the two "refused to come before our committee." Pickering insisted that he was not invited despite expressing a willingness to testify.

Issa also suggested on the program that Pickering and Mullen meet with the committee behind closed doors so as not to create "some sort of stage show." But the two assert in their letter that a public hearing is a "more appropriate forum" and accuse Issa of changing his "position on the terms of our appearance."​


And there continues to be no there there so Issa and the after-birthers(tm) just make one up.

*edit... I just came up with that term to describe the ongoing conspiracy fabricators so if you see it on the Daily Show or whatever... you heard it here first. lol

You got THAT from Pickering and Issa's debate on Meet the Press ?

Wow, you guys are desperate.

It's not Issa's narrative that's falling apart as Pickering admitted the scope of their investigation was minimal.

It's not cool to make sh** up to cover your political asses.

That goes for Politicians and blind Obama supporters.

The Benghazi issue isn't going away Rob, no matter your mitigations and a little dust up on Meet the Press doesn't change the fact that Obama, Jay Carney, Hillary Clinton and Susan Rice are up to their eyeballs in lies and false Narratives.

Hell, Carney and Obama were contradicting each other. Rob, something tells me you wish those "protestors" had finished the job.
 
I appreciate you providing links for me. I had read it before and read it again when you posted the link again. Do you know how often host governments issue alerts to our diplomats, then how often is there an incident? I really dont know. If a warning absolutely never happens (rare) and whenever the host country issues the warning they are always right. Otherwise it is a judgement call. I still think this is much ado about absolutely nothing. I see no smoking gun. You realize Fox attempted to effect an election with even less evidence than this. That should be illegal.
Well, I did tell you to read Gloria Borgia's Report. Then there was also Peggy Noonan's. Seems there are a Couple news Sources that are onto what they are talking about.

Course it is no longer a Smoking Gun that the State Dept ignored Direct Warnings from the Libyans 48hrs in advance of the attack on the Diplomatic Facility. Nor is it a smoking gun that Nuland was doing all she could to prevent the State Dept from being thrown under the Bus. Due to all the failures that the ARB found.

Also BTW.....at the time of the Attack. There was No FBI investigation going on in Libya as Morell tried to tell people.
 
Well, I did tell you to read Gloria Borgia's Report. Then there was also Peggy Noonan's. Seems there are a Couple news Sources that are onto what they are talking about.

Course it is no longer a Smoking Gun that the State Dept ignored Direct Warnings from the Libyans 48hrs in advance of the attack on the Diplomatic Facility. Nor is it a smoking gun that Nuland was doing all she could to prevent the State Dept from being thrown under the Bus. Due to all the failures that the ARB found.

Also BTW.....at the time of the Attack. There was No FBI investigation going on in Libya as Morell tried to tell people.
Benghazi was a CIA operation, it should have had plenty of security, no?
 
The administration's objective was to protect Hillary and BHO.:cool:

Well, I don't think Team Obama was Out to protect anyone but themselves. Truly they walked over the talking points and fed them along. Moreover it is Obama's people that are directing focus at the State. As is Petraeus and the CIA. Hillary is about to learn she paid the Political price and its all about Pasture time and chewing the cow gummi. It will take time for that to settle in with the rest of Clinton-crats.

Still Obama is responsible for the Ongoing investigation inside Libya which has ground to a Halt.....and of course anything that Borgia and Noonan were talking about.
 
Benghazi was a CIA operation, it should have had plenty of security, no?

Well.....Do you think the Host Country is required to provide security for NON US Soil Facilities?
 
Benghazi was a CIA operation, it should have had plenty of security, no?

It was not the CIA compound that was attacked when the Ambassador was killed. The Dept. of State's Diplomatic Security Bureau is always responsible for the security of diplomatic installations and personnel.:cool:
 
Well, I don't think Team Obama was Out to protect anyone but themselves. Truly they walked over the talking points and fed them along. Moreover it is Obama's people that are directing focus at the State. As is Petraeus and the CIA. Hillary is about to learn she paid the Political price and its all about Pasture time and chewing the cow gummi. It will take time for that to settle in with the rest of Clinton-crats.

Still Obama is responsible for the Ongoing investigation inside Libya which has ground to a Halt.....and of course anything that Borgia and Noonan were talking about.

FYI: Borger
 
Well, I don't think Team Obama was Out to protect anyone but themselves. Truly they walked over the talking points and fed them along. Moreover it is Obama's people that are directing focus at the State. As is Petraeus and the CIA. Hillary is about to learn she paid the Political price and its all about Pasture time and chewing the cow gummi. It will take time for that to settle in with the rest of Clinton-crats.

Still Obama is responsible for the Ongoing investigation inside Libya which has ground to a Halt.....and of course anything that Borgia and Noonan were talking about.

That still does not explain why Issa won't agree to having Pickering and Mullen testfy in public hearings
 
Smileys are not evidence. But good try to pretend you had a reply worth anything but some gratuitous backpatting from the right.

Obama and Hillary lied to the faces of the grieving families and told them their loved ones died because of a Youtube video

Liberals don't have a problem with that

Obama nowhere to be found for 8 hours while Americans fought for their lives and were murdered by terrorists

Liberals don't have a problem with that

Obama lied to the American People when he blamed a youtube video

Liberals don't have a problem with that

The Obama Administration spent 70K running ads in pakistan blaming the youtube video

Liberals don't have a problem with that

The guy (scapegoat) who made the 10 min youtube video is still rotting in jail

Liberals don't have a problem with that

Anyone who has tried to reveal the truth has been harassed and intimidated by the Obama Administration

Liberals don't have a problem with that

A stand down order was given twice when American lives were in danger

Liberals don't have a problem with that

I could go on and on but why bother. Clearly the Left cares more about Obama than murdered Americans and the truth.
 
It was not the CIA compound that was attacked when the Ambassador was killed. The Dept. of State's Diplomatic Security Bureau is always responsible for the security of diplomatic installations and personnel.:cool:

But there was a secret CIA operation there.

The Secret CIA Mission In Benghazi - Business Insider

Weapons from Benghazi to Syria

Also in October we reported the connection between Ambassador Christopher Stevens, who died in the attack, and a reported September shipment of SA-7 surface-to-air anti-craft missiles (i.e. MANPADS) and rocket-propelled grenades from Benghazi to Syria through southern Turkey
.

That 400-ton shipment — "the largest consignment of weapons" yet for Syrian rebels — was organized by Abdelhakim Belhadj, who was the newly-appointed head of the Tripoli Military Council.

In March 2011 Stevens, the official U.S. liaison to the al-Qaeda-linked Libyan rebels, worked directly with Belhadj while he headed the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group
.

Stevens' last meeting on Sept. 11 was with Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin, and a source told Fox News that Stevens was in Benghazi "to negotiate a weapons transfer in an effort to get SA-7 missiles out of the hands of Libya-based extremists."

Syrian rebels subsequently began shooting down Syrian helicopters and fighter jets with SA-7s akin to those in Qaddafi's looted stock. (The interim Libyan government also sent money and fighters to Syria.)


Read more: The Secret CIA Mission In Benghazi - Business Insider
 
Liberals don't have a problem with that

This is not my argument, but I'm too amused not to comment. Your whole point seems to center around people lying, being generally dishonest, and miss representing facts. Yet, that is exactly what you did with this post. You generalized an entire section of the American public, presumed to know their personal opinions on this subject, and completely miss represented a number of facts.

The irony is just too much, lol :lamo
 
Obama and Hillary lied to the faces of the grieving families and told them their loved ones died because of a Youtube video

Liberals don't have a problem with that

Obama nowhere to be found for 8 hours while Americans fought for their lives and were murdered by terrorists

Liberals don't have a problem with that

Obama lied to the American People when he blamed a youtube video

Liberals don't have a problem with that

The Obama Administration spent 70K running ads in pakistan blaming the youtube video

Liberals don't have a problem with that

The guy (scapegoat) who made the 10 min youtube video is still rotting in jail

Liberals don't have a problem with that

Anyone who has tried to reveal the truth has been harassed and intimidated by the Obama Administration

Liberals don't have a problem with that

A stand down order was given twice when American lives were in danger

Liberals don't have a problem with that

I could go on and on but why bother. Clearly the Left cares more about Obama than murdered Americans and the truth.

Those talking points were approved by the CIA.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/w...not-petraeus-affair-is-focus-at-hearings.html
 
That still does not explain why Issa won't agree to having Pickering and Mullen testfy in public hearings

Then why is Issa preparing to Subpenoa them.....You do understand that part about whats Classified, correct? See when Pickering went on the Sunday Shows. What he failed to mention was. That neither he nor Mullens talked to Issa.

Both Pickering and Mullens told WH Staff they would testify. People in the WH. Not Issa who had not put out any paperwork or even letters to Mullens and Pickering. As he was dealing with the Whistleblowers that had come forward.

Think about it.....why would Mullens and Pickering Need to testify, if No one else comes out and gives testimony? Then Issa might have sent word. Issa never even mentioned them until others came out and gave sworn testimony. Did you forget Issa talking about General Dempsey and General Ham? Recall his remarks about Panetta? We know he mention Clinton being called due to what Mullens and Pickering found with the Managerial Failures. Buy Stopping the Buck before it reached Clinton.

Now with Nordstrom and others saying that they thought the ARB should have interviewed other people who they believe have direct knowledge of some events. Issa Moved forward.

Course while Pickering was on the Sunday shows. So was Rogers from his Committee. Which now he validates that another Whistle-blower approached his Committee. Which I am betting whoever it is. Is someone that the ARB did not see. Then we will find out if who and what spot they held, and if Mullen's and Pickering should have seen them or not.
 
But there was a secret CIA operation there.

The Secret CIA Mission In Benghazi - Business Insider

Weapons from Benghazi to Syria

Also in October we reported the connection between Ambassador Christopher Stevens, who died in the attack, and a reported September shipment of SA-7 surface-to-air anti-craft missiles (i.e. MANPADS) and rocket-propelled grenades from Benghazi to Syria through southern Turkey
.

That 400-ton shipment — "the largest consignment of weapons" yet for Syrian rebels — was organized by Abdelhakim Belhadj, who was the newly-appointed head of the Tripoli Military Council.

In March 2011 Stevens, the official U.S. liaison to the al-Qaeda-linked Libyan rebels, worked directly with Belhadj while he headed the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group
.

Stevens' last meeting on Sept. 11 was with Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin, and a source told Fox News that Stevens was in Benghazi "to negotiate a weapons transfer in an effort to get SA-7 missiles out of the hands of Libya-based extremists."

Syrian rebels subsequently began shooting down Syrian helicopters and fighter jets with SA-7s akin to those in Qaddafi's looted stock. (The interim Libyan government also sent money and fighters to Syria.)


Read more: The Secret CIA Mission In Benghazi - Business Insider

Maybe. But it was not the target.:shock:
 
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