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Men who are physically strong are more likely to have right wing political views

What if...? said:
The only human difference that is really relevant is "intelligence".

Doesn't really have anything to do with "race".

But the top couple percent could completely bamfoozle the.lower 30% or so and they wouldn't even know it.

And do.

Every very intelligent poster here, and there are quite a.few from all "leans" knows good and well that they have a SIGNIFICANT advantage over a BIG chunk of the population. It is what it is.

SOME mechanism should be in place to prevent these abuses, and I don't see any universal intellectual "chivalry" happening.

The strong should not prey upon the weak. Any metric of strength. We are not animals.
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I agree, the only thing that matters here is intelligence. You say its not about race, but when you say that someone of less intelligence is given equal consideration as someone of greater intelligence just because of race, well I have a problem with that.

The protections you speak of are to prevent abuses of fraud or gross misleading. That is a criminal law issue. What I'm talking about, is protecting people from competition. No one in this country has any sort of right to do a job poorly, or should I say less well then someone else could. Jobs, education, promotions etc. should go to the person who is the most qualified, which in most instances means the most intelligent. Any other system is unjustifiable in my eyes.
 
I have a scientific theory of my own. The people who conducted this study were internet trolls.
 
SgtRock said:
I have a hunch that Chris Hayes and Rachael Madcow are the same person.
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You know? You're right!

I wonder if MSNBC is getting a 2-for-1, or are they paying him/her double?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Most old west gun fighters were little men with small girlish hands better made for trigger pulling than making a fist.
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Which I'm sure annoys, on a hindbrain level, those who evolved to be the boss of everybody.
 
ReformCollege said:
I agree, the only thing that matters here is intelligenc. You say its not about race, but when you say that someone of less intelligence is given equal consideration as someone of greater intelligence just because of race, well I have a problem with that.

The protections you speak of are to prevent abuses of fraud or gross misleading. That is a criminal law issue. What I'm talking about, is protecting people from competition. No one in this country has any sort of right to do a job poorly, or should I say less well then someone else could. Jobs, education, promotions etc. should go to the person who is the most qualified, which in most instances means the most intelligent. Any other system is unjustifiable in my eyes.
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The best man should win, no doubt.

But our SYSTEMS have to be designed to account for this phenomenon.

A days work, at a job that needs doing, should pay enough to live on where you work.

The.clever have turned our system to serve THEM at the game THEY have chosen.

Which is basically deem only handsomely profitable work is worth paying for. **** the guy who cleans the screens at the sewage treatment plant.

Where superior intellect comes in is in convincing the guy who.cleans the screens at the sewage treatment plant that his work isn't WORTH a wage he can live on. And getting enough of everybody else to agree too.

There's a fine line between competition and predation.
 
What if...? said:
The best man should win, no doubt.

But our SYSTEMS have to be designed to account for this phenomenon.

A days work, at a job that needs doing, should pay enough to live on where you work.

The.clever have turned our system to serve THEM at the game THEY have chosen.

Which is basically deem only handsomely profitable work is worth paying for. **** the guy who cleans the screens at the sewage treatment plant.

Where superior intellect comes in is in convincing the guy who.cleans the screens at the sewage treatment plant that his work isn't WORTH a wage he can live on. And getting enough of everybody else to agree too.

There's a fine line between competition and predation.
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$42,000 is nothing to scoff at for a Sewage treatment worker, who doesn't require much more then a high school diploma.

The system isn't designed by anyone. The system is regulated by the market, and the supply and demand of various laborers. Sewage treatment is a nasty business (one I wouldn't get into, thats for sure) and it pays wages that are enough to fill the positions. Wages should be set at rates in which the supply curve meets the demand curve, and workers efficiently disperse throughout the economy.

What I disagree with, is treating EVERY job like it is a career profession and should pay a living wage. Certain jobs are just meant entry level jobs that people are supposed to advance from.

What I do disagree with, is people using their intelligence to protect themselves from the system. For examples professors getting tenure, frauding the government for special benefits, buyout clauses for corporate executives, unions restricting the supply of new workers into the field, any form of guaranteed employment, etc. etc.
 
ReformCollege said:
$42,000 is nothing to scoff at for a Sewage treatment worker, who doesn't require much more then a high school diploma.

The system isn't designed by anyone. The system is regulated by the market, and the supply and demand of various laborers. Sewage treatment is a nasty business (one I wouldn't get into, thats for sure) and it pays wages that are enough to fill the positions. Wages should be set at rates in which the supply curve meets the demand curve, and workers efficiently disperse throughout the economy.

What I disagree with, is treating EVERY job like it is a career profession and should pay a living wage. Certain jobs are just meant entry level jobs that people are supposed to advance from.

What I do disagree with, is people using their intelligence to protect themselves from the system. For examples professors getting tenure, frauding the government for special benefits, buyout clauses for corporate executives, unions restricting the supply of new workers into the field, any form of guaranteed employment, etc. etc.
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But you seem to be ignoring the simple fact that capital is concentrated enough to manipulate the markets themselves.
 
What if...? said:
But you seem to be ignoring the simple fact that capital is concentrated enough to manipulate the markets themselves.
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You seem to be ignoring the fact that your example did not support your conclusion. :roll:
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Interesting. Because not only am I a rather small female, but my upper body is sort of gimped. Yet I manage just fine, even living alone.

Could it be... the use of ones brain that helps with such problems?

It's 2013. Ogh doesn't need to club him a baby seal. :roll:
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A brain helps, but I took it as meaning self reliant. It also was a generality which I agree with in general. Neanderthal or not.
 
SgtRock said:
Most liberal men I have met are weak skinny gutless pacifist girlymen types, just sayin
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Gay bars don't count, just sayin. :2razz:
 
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SgtRock said:
I get out often. I just don't frequent the places where liberals go. Like Starbucks, communes, bath houses, welfare offices, Broadway shows, or occupy wall street rallies. I choose not to be around them. They disgust me.
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again...

You should get out more. Perhaps expand your horizons and such. The world you live in seems to be very shallow, supporting the stereotypes you'd like to see.
 
Perotista said:
A brain helps, but I took it as meaning self reliant. It also was a generality which I agree with in general. Neanderthal or not.
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In what way does physical strength make you more self reliant? It has zero value with respect to almost everything that adults are required to do in the world. Now maybe if the US economy prized jar opening skills and the ability to take out garbage efficiently you might have a point.
 
Amadeus said:
Not that it matters, but this sounds like bunk science to me. Upper body strength is a product of hitting the gym. I like how they cite Arnold, a world famous juicer, as a product of right wing genetics.
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Upper body strength is nearly useless for one's day-to-day life. How much time does a person spend lifting something heavy, even during leisurely pursuits?

This doesn't mean it's not relevant, but proper gym workouts are supposed to comprise strengthening the whole body using free weights, not just biceps/triceps and chest.

The dude in the gym trying to show off by just benching huge barbells while the rest of his body (below the chest) goes to waste is not a model of masculinity; he's just an idiot. So it's hardly surprising that the right wing would be associated with that.
 
Aderleth said:
In what way does physical strength make you more self reliant? It has zero value with respect to almost everything that adults are required to do in the world. Now maybe if the US economy prized jar opening skills and the ability to take out garbage efficiently you might have a point.
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Seriously?
Damn. You just negated a big chunk of my life and a lot of others who live rural. You need to take out the word, 'world' and put in 'city'.
 
Aderleth said:
In what way does physical strength make you more self reliant? It has zero value with respect to almost everything that adults are required to do in the world. Now maybe if the US economy prized jar opening skills and the ability to take out garbage efficiently you might have a point.
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Obviously coming from someone who hasn't lifted in his life. Weight training is an investment in one's self. It takes planning ahead, dedication, discipline, as well as motivation. All of these qualities in fact, ARE associated with self-reliance. Its less about absolute strength, and more so about the commitment that achieving such strength requires. That can and does make one more self reliant.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Most old west gun fighters were little men with small girlish hands better made for trigger pulling than making a fist.
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Too funny! Damn, son, if you don't wanna take that one back you just ain't paying attention.
 
solletica said:
Upper body strength is nearly useless for one's day-to-day life. How much time does a person spend lifting something heavy, even during leisurely pursuits?

This doesn't mean it's not relevant, but proper gym workouts are supposed to comprise strengthening the whole body using free weights, not just biceps/triceps and chest.

The dude in the gym trying to show off by just benching huge barbells while the rest of his body (below the chest) goes to waste is not a model of masculinity; he's just an idiot. So it's hardly surprising that the right wing would be associated with that.
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Biceps are the only muscle group you should workout. I personally prefer using the curl rack
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Biceps are the
only muscle group you should workout. I personally prefer using the curl rack
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LOL ! What ??!!

The guys at the Gym who waste hours curling used to ask me how I managed to get such large upper arms ?

Since they of-course never saw me with curling.

I explained that the TRICEP is 75% of the upper arm and to put away the curling bar IF they wanted results and go to the tricep extensions.
 
ReformCollege said:
Obviously coming from someone who hasn't lifted in his life. Weight training is an investment in one's self. It takes planning ahead, dedication, discipline, as well as motivation. All of these qualities in fact, ARE associated with self-reliance. Its less about absolute strength, and more so about the commitment that achieving such strength requires. That can and does make one more self reliant.
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Obviously coming from someone with delusions (on a couple of levels). Upper body strength is useless in most jobs that matter, useless for financial planning, useless for virtually all social and business interactions. It makes someone self-reliant in the same way that being a really good ice skater makes someone more self reliant (i.e. not at all). The people I see who rely on physical strength to get through life tend to be the same people I see working security at my office (and holding the door open for me, calling me sir).
 
Grand Mal said:
Seriously?
Damn. You just negated a big chunk of my life and a lot of others who live rural. You need to take out the word, 'world' and put in 'city'.
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And upper body strength helps you to, say, navigate US tax code, install software updates on your computer, work a tv remote, drive a car, etc, etc? Or don't rural people have to do those things?
 
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Aderleth said:
Obviously coming from someone with delusions (on a couple of levels). Upper body strength is useless in most jobs that matter, useless for financial planning, useless for virtually all social and business interactions. It makes someone self-reliant in the same way that being a really good ice skater makes someone more self reliant (i.e. not at all). The people I see who rely on physical strength to get through life tend to be the same people I see working security at my office (and holding the door open for me, calling me sir).
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Apparently what I just said just completely went over your head. I said, strength training takes commitment and requires habitual qualities that translate into the real world. It doesn't necessarily have to be strictly strength. People who are physically fit fall under this category, and someone who is physically fit is more likely to be stronger then someone who sits on the couch 24/7. Which is why, regular exercisers earn more money then those who do not, even if said exercise isn't required for on the job performance. Regular Exercisers Earn Nine Percent Higher Pay Than Those Who Don

So, in case you missed it the first two times, I'll repeat it again. Hopefully you'll get it this time. The benefits that one gets from a weight lifting program translate into the better job performance. Not because that weight lifting is required on the job, but because weight lifting has other benefits that translate into the work force.
 
Aderleth said:
Obviously coming from someone with delusions (on a couple of levels). Upper body strength is useless in most jobs that matter, useless for financial planning, useless for virtually all social and business interactions. It makes someone self-reliant in the same way that being a really good ice skater makes someone more self reliant (i.e. not at all). The people I see who rely on physical strength to get through life tend to be the same people I see working security at my office (and holding the door open for me, calling me sir).
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Really? You do realize his entire point had nothing to do with the practical use of physical strength in modern society and more about the character, dedication, and discipline to attain said strength right?
 
Fenton said:
LOL ! What ??!!

The guys at the Gym who waste hours curling used to ask me how I managed to get such large upper arms ?

Since they of-course never saw me with curling.

I explained that the TRICEP is 75% of the upper arm and to put away the curling bar IF they wanted results and go to the tricep extensions.
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lol @ the tricep. That's emo-muscle for jabroni posers

Maybe go find a nice aerobics class where you can listen to your fallout boy boots
 
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