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Since 1990 teen births have fallen by one -third and teen abortions have fallen about one-half.
Something quite remarkable has happened to teenage pregnancy rates in the past few years.
They’ve reached a three-decade low, down by 40 percent since 1990.
Teen births and abortions also have fallen respectively by one-third and one-half.
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Preventing unwanted pregnancies: Forget sex ed and compare the pill to IUDs. - Slate Magazine

From a Statement from The National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy
10/3/2012
(Washington, DC) --
The U.S. teen birth rate declined 8 percent in 2011, according to new data released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Health Statistics.
Since the recent peak in 1991, the teen birth rate has declined 49 percent and declined a full 25 percent between 2007 and 2011 alone.
The overall national teen birth rate as well as rates for all age groups and all racial/ethnic groups are at historic lows.

"The continued decline in the nation's teen birth rate has been positively breathtaking and the credit for this remarkable national success story goes to teens themselves," said Sarah Brown, CEO of The National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy.

Details from the report include:
◾The teen birth rate for girls age 15-19 decreased 8% between 2010 and 2011, from 34.2 births per 1,000 to 31.3 per 1,000. This is following a 10% decline between 2009 and 2010.

Teen birth rates are at their lowest levels since NCHS began tracking teen childbearing in the 1940s.
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Event | The National Campaign

From CBS news:
(CBS News) The rate of teenagers becoming mothers is declining rapidly, according to a new report published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The average teen birth rate decreased 9 percent from 2009 to 2010, reaching an all time low of 34.3 births per 1,000 women aged 15 to 19.


That's a 44 percent drop from 1991 to 2010. There were less teenage mothers in 2010 than any year since 1946.
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U.S. teen pregnancy rates at an all-time low across all ethnicities - HealthPop - CBS News
 
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Gaugingcatenate said:
Your laughable pro-choice "best argument", or at least your particular rather feeble attempt at presenting it, was absolutely destroyed early on, long ago lain to rest. That you cannot assimilate this, that you keep resurrecting its memory from the deep grave it was buried is nothing if not pure folly... combined with a bit of an awkward obliviousness to your own surroundings, bordering on the embarrassing.

Really, you should allow this poor excuse for an actual argument to rest in peace.

I would advise as law enforcement usually does when there is a bad accident where nobody survived, please move on, there is nothing more you can do here.
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If you think you somehow refuted my claim that abortion is legal because the ZEF has no rights, then your position is even more delusional that I thought

So far, all I've seen from you is your fantasy that someday SCOTUS might overturn Roe v Wade (which btw is a tacit admission that I've been right all along)
 
nota bene said:
At least 46% of unplanned pregnancies are the direct consequence of not taking birth control or not taking it properly. Contraceptive Use Among U.S. Women Having Abortions in 2000-2001

A woman having sex must take responsibility for herself, including being responsible for her birth control. I'm pretty tired of the ongoing little motif about how pro-life men are misogynists who blame the woman. A woman IS responsible for practicing birth control.
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Abortion *is* birth control

When a woman has an abortion, she is taking responsibility

The abortion banners focus on a woman's supposed "irresponsibility" just demonstrates how their intent is on punishing the immorality of pregnant women for being so "loose"
 
sangha said:
If you're misogynistic (as many abortion banners are) it's easy to say that "Those hundreds of thousands of women are just a drop in the bucket compared to the millions of abortions that take place every year, so I'm going to go bat crap crazy over the miniscule # of late-term abortions"
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That is just another of your off the cuff factual inaccuracies which we chuckle about, what are your sources on those percentages on pro life misogynists...? Especially when take the time to consider that many pro lifers are women themselves...

...and you obviously do not have to take that bat trip, some might rightly say that train had already left bat cave station many moons ago.
 
sangha said:
If you think you somehow refuted my claim that abortion is legal because the ZEF has no rights, then your position is even more delusional that I thought

So far, all I've seen from you is your fantasy that someday SCOTUS might overturn Roe v Wade (which btw is a tacit admission that I've been right all along)
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Your overuse of the term delusional is just a reflection of your projection of yourself in the mirror...

Sorry old boy, smashed every one of your bevy of fondest fantasies... along with your continuous SCOTUS misstatements, misjudgements and misinterpretations.

The worst thing, or at least in contention for the worst thing, about a liberal education is that most schools obviously either never intended to teach students reading comprehension and critical thinking... or they just generally never get around to actually teaching them.

Whatever the cause, the result is clear.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Your overuse of the term delusional is just a reflection of your projection of yourself in the mirror...

Sorry old boy, smashed every one of your bevy of fondest fantasies... along with your continuous SCOTUS misstatements, misjudgements and misinterpretations.

The worst thing, or at least in contention for the worst thing, about a liberal education is that most schools obviously either never intended to teach students reading comprehension and critical thinking... or they just generally never get around to actually teaching them.

Whatever the cause, the result is clear.
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Your overuse of delusions is just a reflection of the poverty of your arguments.

But thanks for another fact-free post. In the meantime:

Google Scholar

In short, the unborn have never been recognized in the law as persons
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Several decisions of this Court make clear that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Loving v. Virginia, 388 U. S. 1, 12; Griswold v. Connecticut, supra; Pierce v. Society of Sisters, supra; Meyer v. Nebraska, supra. See also Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U. S. 158, 166; Skinner v. Oklahoma, 316 U. S. 535, 541. As recently as last Term, in Eisenstadt v. Baird, 405 U. S. 438, 453, we recognized "the right of the individual, married or single, to be free from unwarranted governmental intrusion into matters so fundamentally affecting a person 170*170 as the decision whether to bear or beget a child." That right necessarily includes the right of a woman to decide whether or not to terminate her pregnancy
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sangha said:
In the US, and estimated 20,000-35,000 women get pregnant from rape every year

If 20,000 men died of a disease in one year, you can be damn sure it would be called an epidemic
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And if over 1 MILLION were killed each year, over 50 MILLION in a 40 year period... what might that be called... genocide? Or more properly maybe auto-genocide, or democide, perhaps mass murder or mass infanticide?

Worse than a small epidemic ... only if one is rational, probably.
 
minnie616 said:
Since 1990 teen births have fallen by one -third and teen abortions have fallen about one-half.



Preventing unwanted pregnancies: Forget sex ed and compare the pill to IUDs. - Slate Magazine

From a Statement from The National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy



Event | The National Campaign

From CBS news:

U.S. teen pregnancy rates at an all-time low across all ethnicities - HealthPop - CBS News
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This is very good news, but what would explain the fairly consistent, although marginally dropping, rate of abortions over the last 15 years? - from about 1.36 million in 1996 to about 1.21 million now. Are young women forgetting what they learn in school as it relates to birth control and safe sex when they get into their 20s and beyond? If young women are learning how to avoid unwanted pregnancies, why isn't that carrying over to drastic reductions in abortions across the board?
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
And if over 1 MILLION were killed each year, over 50 MILLION in a 40 year period... what might that be called... genocide? Or more properly maybe auto-genocide, or democide, perhaps mass murder or mass infanticide?

Worse than a small epidemic ... only if one is rational, probably.
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Abortion hasn't killed any infants so it's not infanticide

The purpose of abortion isn't to eliminate a social group or destroy their culture, so it's not genocide either

ZEF's aren't persons, so it's not democide

And abortion is legal, so it's not murder
 
CanadaJohn said:
This is very good news, but what would explain the fairly consistent, although marginally dropping, rate of abortions over the last 15 years? ...
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In my opinion it is NOT the raw numbers of abortions that have taken place that matter but rather the fact that
the numbers of abortions per 1000 women btween the ages of 15-44 are falling .
In 1981 they were 6.87 in 1982 they stated falling and by 2008 they fell to 3.99.
1981 6.87
1982 6.79

[By]2008 they fell to 3.99
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United States abortion rates, 1960-2008
 
sangha said:
Abortion hasn't killed any infants so it's not infanticide.... Abortion has killed only infants and so is, indeed, infanticide.

The purpose of abortion isn't to eliminate a social group or destroy their culture, so it's not genocide either... abortion isolates and eliminates only those unborn, that is a specific social group.

ZEF's aren't persons, so it's not democide.... best to know your terms, Wikipedia: Democide is the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide and mass murder. Democide is not necessarily the elimination of entire cultural groups but rather groups within the country that the government feels need to be eradicated for political reasons and due to claimed future threats... as per the Supreme Court, the idea of life beginning at conception has not been struck down. So, you are wrong again.



And abortion is legal, so it's not murder Oh, its murder alright, just like Murder of Jews under the Nazi regime was murder, just like the mass murder of Kurds by Saddam was mass murder, whether the government legalized and allowed it or not... it may be legal, it is still murder. As Shakespeare noted, a rose by any other name is still a rose.
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Ever heard the phrase, "casting pearls before swine"?
 
sangha said:
Your overuse of delusions is just a reflection of the poverty of your arguments.

But thanks for another fact-free post. In the meantime:

Google Scholar
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Yeah, you may want to go back over the Hiroshima/Nagasaki demolition of all your "arguments" and, ha ha, your "asserted"100% factual truths....past to forward. As one can see when reviewing, unlike Truman, I was not limited to just two bombs with which to destroy my opponents.

But, as you seem unable to grasp the obvious, there is just no use going over every single one again, that's been done how many times now...and it has yet to make even the smallest of dents in your being able to integrate fact with logic...

So, any attempt at helping those either naturally or voluntarily unable has proven itself, apparently, futile... I did try, but some people just have not that specific cognitive capacity, I suppose.


And, faulty memory showing again, I already destroyed your SCOTUS does not protect the unborn using information garnered from just this, the previously submitted google scholar presentation of RvW... throwing it back up here is not going to change the earlier outcome. Hoping that the "new" people reading this will fall for that, huh? Sad.


Well...being a gentleman I will allow the lady the last word...

Good luck... altho even that will not help.
 
From:
US women in 20s less likely to get pregnant or have abortions
Pregnancy rates for U.S. women in their early 20s fell nearly 18 percent from 1990 to 2008 and their abortion rate dropped by 32 percent, as those women delayed the decision to have a baby and used more effective birth control, said a government report released on Wednesday.

The findings for women in their prime child bearing years mirror similar studies showing declines in pregnancies and abortions among teenagers.
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Read more: US women in 20s less likely to get pregnant or have abortion | Fox News
 
minnie616 said:
In my opinion it is NOT the raw numbers of abortions that have taken place that matter but rather the fact that
the numbers of abortions per 1000 women btween the ages of 15-44 are falling .
In 1981 they were 6.87 in 1982 they stated falling and by 2008 they fell to 3.99.


United States abortion rates, 1960-2008
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Not to be crude, but it's convenient if you support abortion to find that the raw numbers of actual abortions don't matter. The fact still remains that abortions in the US have been consistently above 1.2 million per year. That, to me, is still a remarkably high number and one has to assume that abortion in 2013 is considered a form of birth control while when Roe v Wade was adjudicated it was considered a rare but necessary procedure in certain circumstances. To me, that's a very sad commentary on today's society and probably explains why support for abortion has been falling steadily and there is more support for limits on abortion at the state's level.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Not to be crude, but it's convenient if you support abortion to find that the raw numbers of actual abortions don't matter. The fact still remains that abortions in the US have been consistently above 1.2 million per year. That, to me, is still a remarkably high number and one has to assume that abortion in 2013 is considered a form of birth control while when Roe v Wade was adjudicated it was considered a rare but necessary procedure in certain circumstances. To me, that's a very sad commentary on today's society and probably explains why support for abortion has been falling steadily and there is more support for limits on abortion at the state's level.
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I can't help but think what the world would be like if men got pregnant from sex, but something tells me it would be all about "privacy" and "personal freedoms"..........................
 
Bonzai said:
I can't help but think what the world would be like if men got pregnant from sex, but something tells me it would be all about "privacy" and "personal freedoms"..........................
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Way to suck up there kiddo.....:mrgreen:
 
CanadaJohn said:
Not to be crude, but it's convenient if you support abortion to find that the raw numbers of actual abortions don't matter. The fact still remains that abortions in the US have been consistently above 1.2 million per year. ..
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The count was 1.2 million in 2008. We do not have stats after 2008.

I bet the numbers have fallen dramatically since 2008.

The chart only goes to 2008:

United States abortion rates, 1960-2008
 
Bonzai said:
I can't help but think what the world would be like if men got pregnant from sex, but something tells me it would be all about "privacy" and "personal freedoms"..........................
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Good evening Bonz - I think you know my views, I support choice even though I abhor the choice - that said, do you feel that if men could get pregnant they'd be suffering from an epidemic of unwanted pregnancies? I guarantee that I, for one, wouldn't.
 
Bonzai said:
I can't help but think what the world would be like if men got pregnant from sex, but something tells me it would be all about "privacy" and "personal freedoms"..........................
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Good evening,Bonz. :2wave:

We would be just like China ...ONE CHILD PER FAMILY! :lamo:
 
j-mac said:
Way to suck up there kiddo.....:mrgreen:
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I don't think impregnation would be such a religious experience.....................Guess it's easier to "judge" experiences when they're happening to other people.....................
 
minnie616 said:
The count was 1.2 million in 2008. We do not have stats after 2008.

I bet the numbers have fallen dramatically since 2008.

The chart only goes to 2008:

United States abortion rates, 1960-2008
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No, I don't know the numbers - I'm not sure they're available. Considering the trends and considering that nothing so drastic has happened in society in the past 5 years, I'm not prepared to bet at all that the 1.2 million number has dropped "dramatically" and I can't see any evidence that would lead you to the conclusion. I will say, however, that I sure hope you're right.
 
Bonzai said:
I don't think impregnation would be such a religious experience.....................Guess it's easier to "judge" experiences when they're happening to other people.....................
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Well, that's a lot of nonsense....
 
polgara said:
Good evening,Bonz. :2wave:

We would be just like China ...ONE CHILD PER FAMILY! :lamo:
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Hi. I would anticipate a catastrophic drop in the birth rate................................
 
Sooooooooo ... how about that 2 day old baby flushed into a sewer pipe in China?
It was saved but now 计划的父母身分 is very upset
 
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