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Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

j-mac said:
So I guess Kermit Gosnell was convicted, and will spend life in prison for something he did that was legal?
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Once again, you do not have intellectual integrity in your message. He was not convicted for abortions.
 
joko104 said:
You want her forced to be pregnant. Your's is the message of basically all pro-life men who, at their core reasoning, always include their view of punishment of foul women for the sin of having sex.

Your "very" rare is not accurate either.
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Unless you live in Pakistan or Afghanistan or some other hell-hole, there isn't an epidemic of women being forced to have unprotected sex and being forced to get pregnant against their will. My point was, and remains, that in the vast majority of cases when a woman gets pregnant she has no one else to blaim for that pregnancy than herself - actions do have consequences, whether you wish to accept that or not.

In addition, you took my comment out of context in that I wasn't talking about forcing women to do anything other than accept the fact that if they want to claim control over their own bodies then it's full control not partial control - if you are the sole person responsible for ending a pregnancy then you have to accept that you are the sole person who allowed yourself to get in that situation in the first place. Other than the Virgin Mary, there aren't any women who mysteriously become pregnant.
 
There are women who become unknowing and unwilling pregnant.
In fact some women who have been in comas become pregnant for some "mysterious " reason.
 
joko104 said:
Once again, you do not have intellectual integrity in your message. He was not convicted for abortions.
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Um....Yes he was....

The verdict was announced on the 10th day of deliberations, capping a two-month trial that featured grisly testimony about botched late-term abortions and became a flashpoint for both sides in the national abortion debate.
Many of the 250-plus counts were tied to violations of state abortion law, which prohibits terminating pregnancies after 24 weeks.

Abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell convicted of first-degree murder - U.S. News
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minnie616 said:
There are women who become unknowing and unwilling pregnant.
In fact some women who have been in comas become pregnant for some "mysterious " reason.
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There is only one way to become pregnant.....Nothing mysterious about it.
 
From this article:
3rd possible date rape drug incident reported in DU neighborhood

DENVER - Campus safety at the University of Denver received a report of a woman who may have been given date rape drugs over the weekend, bringing the total number of reports this month this to three.

In all three cases, the victims said they were at a bar in the DU neighborhood, after which they had several hours of memory loss -- a symptom of date rape drugs.
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Read more:

7NEWS - 3rd possible date rape drug incident reported in DU neighborhood - Local Story
 
CanadaJohn said:
Yes, I can image that's just rampant in the US.
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In Canada, do you have any television programs like Maury Povich where you have stupid publicized paternity tests for irresponsible ****ers?
 
j-mac said:
How many legal abortions are done each year due to exigent circumstances like rape, or incest?
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About 5 percent of girls/women who are raped become pregnant.
But when it happens to a loved one I do not care what the percentages are.
 
minnie616 said:
I guess you have not heard of the date rape drug then.
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I have a higher opinion of you and your views than to think you would stoop to this low as an argument against women being responsible for their own pregnancies.

No one doubts there are exceptions and situations where a woman has been impregnated against her will, but that does not provide cover for the millions of others who become impregnated because of their own carelessness and because morning after drugs or abortion are easy optional outs.
 
Mathematician said:
In Canada, do you have any television programs like Maury Povich where you have stupid publicized paternity tests for irresponsible ****ers?
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No, we rely on America for that genre of entertainment. I'd say Canadians are generally more reserved and less likely to enjoy being publically humiliated for cash.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Do you also have statistics that would show the number of abortions performed in Denver during that period of time or perhaps the volume of morning after pills sold in Denver during that time? We could then put the enormous impact of those "3" incidents into context.
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It is happening at college campa's all over the USA
 
minnie616 said:
It is happening at college campa's all over the USA
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I agree, there are irresponsible young women getting pregnant all over college campuses, not just in the US. Pity that an intelligent woman such as yourself feels a need to make excuses for them.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I have a higher opinion of you and your views than to think you would stoop to this low as an argument against women being responsible for their own pregnancies.

No one doubts there are exceptions and situations where a woman has been impregnated against her will, but that does not provide cover for the millions of others who become impregnated because of their own carelessness and because morning after drugs or abortion are easy optional outs.
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Yes there are exceptions and people should not be making arguments without taking taking into account these exceptions.
 
minnie616 said:
Yes there are exceptions and people should not be making arguments without taking taking into account these exceptions.
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Nor should people who know better be making arguments based solely on those exceptions as if they were the rule.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Yeah yeah yeah...

This would probably be more akin to the World War II strategy adopted in the Pacific theater called the Island Hopping Campaign, with a couple exceptions to the analogy. As opposed to the actual strategy in that campaign, I am just avoiding the least well defended in hopes of finding good verbal battles to be fought elsewhere, on higher grounds, where there may be some actual foundation in support of the contrasting arguments, not some hastily assembled barricade ignoring most weaknesses with an almost unfailingly inadequate, artless camouflaging, the rest with simple bluff and a rather uninhabited bravado. If one listens closely enough, one might almost hear the flailing and faint echos of all the hopelessly screamed "Bonzais" in the wafting waffling backwash of the props as we had already passed, long ago, our own Midway turning point in devastating dive bomber attacks on all value targets with well placed hits all along the various wheelhouses where we did not find a lot of evidence of the necessary command and control.

Sayonara as they say...
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The truth is, you've been avoiding the pro-choice sides most well-defended argument (the constitutional lack of recognizing the personhood of the ZEF) with the avoidance-laden "Someday a change is gonna come!"
 
CanadaJohn said:
I agree, there are irresponsible young women getting pregnant all over college campuses, not just in the US. Pity that an intelligent woman such as yourself feels a need to make excuses for them.
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And there are young women who are being raped at college.

Several years ago a young woman who is very dear to me was stalked, grabbed, and taken to a car and raped by a stranger when she was returning to her car after an evening class at a local Catholic College.
At my encouragement she did file a police report and she did inform the college so they could step up security and provide better lightingin their parking lot.
She had noted some of the lighting was off or broken.

The rapist was never caught but even if he had been I doubt she would have testified.
She did get counseling for a few months and then tried to get on with life. I think she only confided in a few people.
 
joko104 said:
You want her forced to be pregnant. Your's is the message of basically all pro-life men who, at their core reasoning, always include their view of punishment of foul women for the sin of having sex.

Your "very" rare is not accurate either.
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Though estimates vary (which is the nature of estimates), tens of thousands of pregnancies are caused by rape every year.

The immoral abortion banners want to punish these woman for being "temptresses"
 
minnie616 said:
And there are young women who are being raped at college.

Several years ago a young woman who is very dear to me was stalked, grabbed, and taken to a car and raped by a stranger when she was returning to her car after an evening class at a local Catholic College.
At my encouragement she did file a police report and she did inform the college so they could step up security and provide better lighting.

The rapist was never caught but even if he had been I doubt she would have testified.
She did get counseling for a few months and then tried to get on with life. I think she only confided in a few people.
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I don't doubt this at all nor do I condone it or blame it on the woman. That's not the point, unless you're claiming that America is this lawless outpost where women are raped and impregnated millions of times each year it's irrelevant to the point I was making that for the most part women are responsible for their own bodies and if they become pregnant they are responsible. If America is the way you'd have us believe, I'm surprised any woman would leave the house ever.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Unless you live in Pakistan or Afghanistan or some other hell-hole, there isn't an epidemic of women being forced to have unprotected sex and being forced to get pregnant against their will. My point was, and remains, that in the vast majority of cases when a woman gets pregnant she has no one else to blaim for that pregnancy than herself - actions do have consequences, whether you wish to accept that or not.

In addition, you took my comment out of context in that I wasn't talking about forcing women to do anything other than accept the fact that if they want to claim control over their own bodies then it's full control not partial control - if you are the sole person responsible for ending a pregnancy then you have to accept that you are the sole person who allowed yourself to get in that situation in the first place. Other than the Virgin Mary, there aren't any women who mysteriously become pregnant.
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In the US, and estimated 20,000-35,000 women get pregnant from rape every year

If 20,000 men died of a disease in one year, you can be damn sure it would be called an epidemic
 
CanadaJohn said:
I don't doubt this at all nor do I condone it or blame it on the woman. That's not the point, unless you're claiming that America is this lawless outpost where women are raped and impregnated millions of times each year it's irrelevant to the point I was making that for the most part women are responsible for their own bodies and if they become pregnant they are responsible. If America is the way you'd have us believe, I'm surprised any woman would leave the house ever.
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No need for you to worry then. Women are impregnated by their rapist "only" 20,000-35,000 time per year (approx.)
 
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