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Florida Man Charged with Murder for Killing Ex-Girlfriend's FETUS[W330;338]

Grant said:
Then why is he being charged with first degree murder when he didn't kill anyone?

Traditionally, the taking of a human life is referred to as murder.
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Because the UVVA specifies that people who attack a mother and cause a fetus to die should be charged with murder.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
Meh. I do not oppose infanticide laws that apply to fetuses as long as they are not designated as murder. Assaulting a pregnant woman such that she loses her baby is clearly a greater offense than assaulting a man or a non-pregnant woman, especially when the assault was for the deliberate purpose of inducing a miscarriage. Murder? Not hardly, but still greater than aggravated assault.
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You mean "as long as how you interpenetrate the genocide?"

Never mind the fact that it meets every states statute of first degree murder...





And I am sorry to have to explain to you that when a person is occupying and modifying your body against your will, you have the right to use force in self-defense.
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Against will? well maybe ****ing has consequences? if an individual isn't responsible enough to care for a child than they're not responsible enough to screw....

It shows how stupid they are by having unprotected sex.... "who cares we can always have an abortion" what about STD's? oh yeah no one has any of those in the moment..




Funny you pro-lifers keep bringing up slavery when you're the ones trying to demand involuntary servitude from women. And what is with this festering plague of pro-life "Libertarians"? You'll argue all goddamned day against liberal "human rights" on the basis that you can't have any right to any good or service if it would require another person to be forced to provide it to you-- and then you say that women should be forced to gestate children because of their innate "right to life". Or do Libertarian theories about personal rights simply not apply to women?
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What will it take for you "pro-choicers" to realize a fetus or baby is an individual and NOT a body part?

So woman have to birth babies while the stronger men have to physically build a nation...

I got news for you - babies don't fall from the sky - humans have to reproduce - however our reproductive process shouldn't involve murdering offspring out of convenience. We frack to procreate - we just have big enough brains to turn fracking int a fun adventure.



That's really rich coming from a Libertarian. Isn't your argument that all human rights extend from property rights and the principle of self-ownership?
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You don't know what I adhere to.
 
sangha said:
Wrong. Abortion is about rights, and is not murder

I enjoy watching the right try to claim the high moral ground by posting lies.
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Really?

If it's not about morals than why is society organized with legitimate laws such as murder and not in the grasp of anarchy?

You're wrong...
 
Mr.Nick said:
Really?

If it's not about morals than why is society organized with legitimate laws such as murder and not in the grasp of anarchy?

You're wrong...
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Yes really

Because we have a constitution

The abortion banners would like to forget about the constitution
 
sangha said:
Asked an answered
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What is t he difference between offing a "fetus" or an old clown with dementia?

When people get old they turn into big babies.
 
Mr.Nick said:
So woman have to birth babies while the stronger men have to physically build a nation...
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Would you go ahead now and save us time by just ****ing admitting that your "pro-life" stance is based on your misogynist belief that women should stay pregnant and in the kitchen? Because you just revealed that it was.
 
sangha said:
Yes really

Because we have a constitution

The abortion banners would like to forget about the constitution
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What?

Where is abortion in the Bill of Rights or beyond???

Not to mention isn't "life and liberty" language used in the Fourteenth Amendment?
 
Mr.Nick said:
What?

Where is abortion in the Bill of Rights or beyond???

Not to mention isn't "life and liberty" language used in the Fourteenth Amendment?
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The constitution only protects the lives of persons. The unborn are not persons
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
Would you go ahead now and save us time by just ****ing admitting that your "pro-life" stance is based on your misogynist belief that women should stay pregnant and in the kitchen? Because you just revealed that it was.
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Now I'm a "misogynist" because I view murder as murder?

I like your attempt to change the subject tho.... I don't eat them apples tho.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Now I'm a "misogynist" because I view murder as murder?

I like your attempt to change the subject tho.... I don't eat them apples tho.
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Apples are a symbol of knowledge, specifically knowing the difference between right and wrong
 
sangha said:
The constitution only protects the lives of persons. The unborn are not persons
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So a "fetus" (using your language) isn't a person until that individual is birthed???

I suppose I'm just a fetus because I was born 3 weeks early???

Or am I a person because I was birthed?

If you shot me/mother in August of 1980 would you have just been killing a fetus? or me?
 
sangha said:
Apples are a symbol of knowledge, specifically knowing the difference between right and wrong
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Generally human emotions... We don't have words like empathy in our language for ourselves.

I think one of the first rules of humanity is that humans do not kill other humans....

"Why" is philosophical.....
 
sangha said:
One has been born and the other has not
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That is irrelevant considering the "born" came from somewhere and are in fact viable beings who will grow and become adults and hopefully productive members of society.

You don't have the right to determine what is a human life and what is not - neither do a bunch of lawyers.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Now I'm a "misogynist" because I view murder as murder?
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Mr.Nick said:
So woman have to birth babies while the stronger men have to physically build a nation...
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You're a misogynist because you believe women should be forced to birth babies while men do all the "real" work.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
Would you go ahead now and save us time by just ****ing admitting that your "pro-life" stance is based on your misogynist belief that women should stay pregnant and in the kitchen? Because you just revealed that it was.
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Sorry to bust your illogical progressive partisan bubble but I'm pro-life because I'm a real liberal and I believe murder is wrong.

I love the progressive "hate woman" conspiracy tho...
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
You're a misogynist because you believe women should be forced to birth babies while men do all the "real" work.
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WTF..... So now I hate woman for acknowledging the truth?

Men are physically stronger than woman - that is truth. However it was always the woman who pointed out a nice cave, in a safe place...haha

Yeah I know you cats want to change the subject to me allegedly hating woman because I don't adhere to baby killing....
 
When in doubt pull the "you hate woman" out.
 
I suppose in progressiveland republicans or non-progressives look at a woman in contempt, and bite their tongue at the mere notion of speaking with a woman - especially in an authoritarian situation and that men have no desire to be a parent or a father or capable of loving their spouse or children.
 
Mr.Nick said:
What is t he difference between offing a "fetus" or an old clown with dementia?

When SOME people get old they turn into big babies.
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Fixed that for you.

What's a good name for people who claim that everyone in a group has certain characteristics?

Any ideas?
 
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