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Acting IRS commissioner resigns in wake of agency scandal

As Fox News points out, the IRS Commissioner fell on a sword that wasn't even there. He was due to retire in a couple of weeks. :rofl
That sword offers full retirement and benefits. It's a really nice sword that isn't there. Hardly a sacrificial lamb. More like a celebratory gloat.
 
appointed by Bush

yes, but when his agency engaged in the CRIMINAL persecution of only this white house's political enemies, mr shulman worked for someone else

hello
 
yes, but when his agency engaged in the CRIMINAL persecution of only this white house's political enemies, mr shulman worked for someone else

hello
Is this a character weakness common to all Republicans? When the President is Republican they're competent incorruptible government agents bravely fighting the good fight. But put a Democrat in office and they instantly become corrupt bureaucrats, simultaneously walking the line between incompetent and evil genious.
 
I've noticed the headlines have changed from "IRS Commisioner steps down" to "Obama fires IRS Commisioner". Watching a changing of the message first hand.
 
I've noticed the headlines have changed from "IRS Commisioner steps down" to "Obama fires IRS Commisioner". Watching a changing of the message first hand.
the treasury secretary requested the acting commissioner's resignation
and then accepted it

appears it was both

the administration requested the resignation

the acting commissioner stepped down

now, what do you find to be the distinction between the two?
 
the treasury secretary requested the acting commissioner's resignation
and then accepted it

appears it was both

the administration requested the resignation

the acting commissioner stepped down

now, what do you find to be the distinction between the two?

The difference is the message you want the public to hear. There is a distinct difference between allowing someone to resign and firing them outright.

As a side note, the first you generally get to keep certain benefits, the second not so much.
 
I've noticed the headlines have changed from "IRS Commisioner steps down" to "Obama fires IRS Commisioner". Watching a changing of the message first hand.

Won't work; Fox News published the written request from Lew for his resignation yesterday. It was, I think, two sentences long. Maybe three. Pro forma in the extreme.
 
The difference is the message you want the public to hear. There is a distinct difference between allowing someone to resign and firing them outright.

As a side note, the first you generally get to keep certain benefits, the second not so much.

so, does he get to retire?
 
Won't work; Fox News published the written request from Lew for his resignation yesterday. It was, I think, two sentences long. Maybe three. Pro forma in the extreme.

Won't work on folks like us, who read. Those who just read the headlines, this is how it's done.
 
Won't work on folks like us, who read. Those who just read the headlines, this is how it's done.

what did reading beyond the headlines tell you that you did not already know?
 
He'd only been on the job since last November, so I'm hopeful this will all work out right.
 
what did reading beyond the headlines tell you that you did not already know?

Well, where the headline says Obama fired him, reading the text would reveal the truth, that he resigned.
 
That sword offers full retirement and benefits. It's a really nice sword that isn't there. Hardly a sacrificial lamb. More like a celebratory gloat.

Good morning, humbolt. :2wave:

Miller was appointed IRS Commissioner by BHO in November 2012, after the previous Commissioner, who was appointed by Bush, left. According to what I have read, it appears that the targeting of certain groups was not a secret within the IRS, but it was never mentioned to Congress during hearings. It took complaining by those groups targeted to bring this mess into public awareness!

Now Miller is "resigning," even though he was going to retire in a few weeks anyway, with all benefits? How convenient.

Perhaps if BHO had not targeted Republicans many times as the "enemy," just because they didn't agree with him, this never would have occurred. Too many people apparently took that message to heart! :thumbdown:
 
Well, where the headline says Obama fired him, reading the text would reveal the truth, that he resigned.

Exactly. I read the Fox News article on the resignation yesterday and clicked on the link that took me straight to the scanned letter of request by Lew.
 
Don't know, but this way he gets his full severence package and keeps retirement benefits.

then he gets to retire

so, was he fired? you insisted if he was, he would lose those benefits
 
Good morning, humbolt. :2wave:

Miller was appointed IRS Commissioner by BHO in November 2012, after the previous Commissioner, who was appointed by Bush, left. According to what I have read, it appears that the targeting of certain groups was not a secret within the IRS, but it was never mentioned to Congress during hearings. It took complaining by those groups targeted to bring this mess into public awareness!

Now Miller is "resigning," even though he was going to retire in a few weeks anyway, with all benefits? How convenient.

Perhaps if BHO had not targeted Republicans many times as the "enemy," just because they didn't agree with him, this never would have occurred. Too many people apparently took that message to heart! :thumbdown:

What's so "chilling," since this is the word de jour, is that it wasn't just Republicans and independents being targeted. Israelis were too and even Billy Graham's venerable organization. We're talking about a scary number of "targets," even those interested in educating others about the Constitution of the United States of America.
 
then he gets to retire

so, was he fired? you insisted if he was, he would lose those benefits

I think you're misunderstanding something in my posts. I was merely noting what the headlines are now saying and how it has changed.
 
Good morning, humbolt. :2wave:

Miller was appointed IRS Commissioner by BHO in November 2012, after the previous Commissioner, who was appointed by Bush, left. According to what I have read, it appears that the targeting of certain groups was not a secret within the IRS, but it was never mentioned to Congress during hearings. It took complaining by those groups targeted to bring this mess into public awareness!

Now Miller is "resigning," even though he was going to retire in a few weeks anyway, with all benefits? How convenient.

Perhaps if BHO had not targeted Republicans many times as the "enemy," just because they didn't agree with him, this never would have occurred. Too many people apparently took that message to heart! :thumbdown:
You bet. Miller gets his pension and benefits. That's retirement - not firing. Somebody somewhere high in the IRS and perhaps beyond directed this. It isn't just a few enthusiastic drones. Drones are drones because they follow the direction of others. It's the others we need to identify. And I agree that the demonization of the political right was more than just words. Stuff like this puts teeth in that effort.
 
You bet. Miller gets his pension and benefits. That's retirement - not firing. Somebody somewhere high in the IRS and perhaps beyond directed this. It isn't just a few enthusiastic drones. Drones are drones because they follow the direction of others. It's the others we need to identify. And I agree that the demonization of the political right was more than just words. Stuff like this puts teeth in that effort.

Of course, the first attempt to trivialize the issue as the work of some underlings in Ohio, is now buried by revelations the mighty IRS was marching people through hoops from various offices around the country.

Southern California Offices Named in IRS Tea Party Scandal | NBC Southern California

Unfortunately I am quite familiar with the El Monte Office of the IRS. It's an arm pit office. Unimaginable anyone in that office would have acted on their own. This scandle has many branches, and I believe the roots run really deep.
 
I've persistently heard Cincinnati mentioned.
 
Of course, the first attempt to trivialize the issue as the work of some underlings in Ohio, is now buried by revelations the mighty IRS was marching people through hoops from various offices around the country.

Southern California Offices Named in IRS Tea Party Scandal | NBC Southern California

Unfortunately I am quite familiar with the El Monte Office of the IRS. It's an arm pit office. Unimaginable anyone in that office would have acted on their own. This scandle has many branches, and I believe the roots run really deep.

Is it time yet for a FLAT TAX ??
 
I think you're misunderstanding something in my posts. I was merely noting what the headlines are now saying and how it has changed.

no
you insisted there was a difference in outcome based upon whether he was fired or if he resigned
i was forcing you to see that your assertion was quite wrong
the outcome was the same
 
no
you insisted there was a difference in outcome based upon whether he was fired or if he resigned
i was forcing you to see that your assertion was quite wrong
the outcome was the same

Thanks for illustrating your misunderstanding. Didn't say the outcome was different, he's still gone from the position. What is different is the public perception of what happened (Obama fired the guy as opposed to the guy resigned and retired). One suggests the POTUS took a stand, the other, not so much.
 
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