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White House in damage control mode as potential scandals pile up [W:378]

as I said ... we're watching the reruns ... please don't interrupt, except if it's to tell me that he was impeached ... BTW, saw Romney the other day ... looked good, but a little defeated ...
 
windowdressing said:
as I said ... we're watching the reruns ... please don't interrupt, except if it's to tell me that he was impeached ... BTW, saw Romney the other day ... looked good, but a little defeated ...
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you can keep deflecting all you want. I am sure Nixon-bots still pop in the night of his election victory too.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I'll type this slowly, Clinton had four years of surpluses, negative deficits. By law, when there are surpluses from payroll sources, those must be paid back into the the SSTF which reduces the PUBLIC debt. Those were dollars taken from SS as IOU's, Clinton was paying those back. The total debt did increase marginally, but he was the last President in recent history to have negative deficits and pay down the public debt.
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This is really sad taxpayers pay debt service on the fiscal year debt not the year end numbers further the debt rose 1.4 trillion under Clinton. What is it about liberalism that creates people like you who are so dedicated to an ideology that you cannot admit you are wrong even when proven wrong?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I'll type this slowly, Clinton had four years of surpluses, negative deficits. By law, when there are surpluses from payroll sources, those must be paid back into the the SSTF which reduces the PUBLIC debt. Those were dollars taken from SS as IOU's, Clinton was paying those back. The total debt did increase marginally, but he was the last President in recent history to have negative deficits and pay down the public debt.
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The total debt increased, lets just stick to that comment, if the debt increased, there was never a surplus. I know you on the left have all this fuzzy math. But that really makes no difference now does it. Obama is borrowing and spending on steroids and that's all OK with the left. Obama can borrow and spend whatever he wants.
 
Conservative said:
Again, SS was never intended to be on Budget nor should it be. Only in the liberal world do IOU's pay for personal expenses. Hope you enjoy yours when you retire and get an IOU.
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I never wanted Congress to have access to SSTF dollars (I still remember you making fun of the "lock box" analogy), ti was Reagan that started raiding SS when he and Greenspan got the big increase in FICA rates and dug into the surpluses generated. Tip O'Neil was POed when he saw how the administration hoodwinked Congress in passing Ronny's rate increases.

So don't tell me about SS IOU's you have nothing there.
 
Conservative said:
This is really sad taxpayers pay debt service on the fiscal year debt not the year end numbers further the debt rose 1.4 trillion under Clinton. What is it about liberalism that creates people like you who are so dedicated to an ideology that you cannot admit you are wrong even when proven wrong?
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I'm sorry...how much did it increase under both Bush's?
It nearly increased that much just in one term of GHB!
 
I was there, didn't see them ... but guys now have Ted "Joe McCarthy" Cruz on your side ... I gave money to his presidential campaign already ... Dems are giving money as well hoping for his nomination ... we just got to get Republicans to give money to the guy ... Can you help?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I never wanted Congress to have access to SSTF dollars (I still remember you making fun of the "lock box" analogy), ti was Reagan that started raiding SS when he and Greenspan got the big increase in FICA rates and dug into the surpluses generated. Tip O'Neil was POed when he saw how the administration hoodwinked Congress in passing Ronny's rate increases.

So don't tell me about SS IOU's you have nothing there.
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Another misinformed liberal who has Conservative DS. Reagan didn't have money in SS to raid that problems started when LBJ put SS on budget. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty? Not sure where you get your information but you sure do have balls to continue to post the lies that you post
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I'm sorry...how much did it increase under both Bush's?
It nearly increased that much just in one term of GHB!
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Debt increased 4.9 trillion under Bush in 8 years and 6.8 trillion so far under Obama in less than 5
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I'm sorry...how much did it increase under both Bush's?
It nearly increased that much just in one term of GHB!
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You think Clinton did such a good job? Did Clinton propose more or less than the Republican Congress gave him?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I'm sorry...how much did it increase under both Bush's?
It nearly increased that much just in one term of GHB!
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Under both Bush's, Hillery "what difference does that make" Obama has borrowed and spent more than all the president before him combined. And your proud of Obama's borrowing record, so all the presidents before Obama were failures when it came to borrowing like Obama.
 
Conservative said:
Another misinformed liberal who has Conservative DS. Reagan didn't have money in SS to raid that problems started when LBJ put SS on budget. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty? Not sure where you get your information but you sure do have balls to continue to post the lies that you post
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I have pointed this out to you multiple times and it never gets through, Greenspan got Ronny to push through a big FICA increase, those surpluses have been used every year, and only under Clinton did they start to be repaid.

You get into these debates with me with nothing, you ALWAYS come out the loser.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I have pointed this out to you multiple times and it never gets through, Greenspan got Ronny to push through a big FICA increase, those surpluses have been used every year, and only under Clinton did they start to be repaid.

You get into these debates with me with nothing, you ALWAYS come out the loser.
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I am so sorry, but you just don't have a clue, LBJ put SS on budget to pay for the Vietnam War and it has been on budget for decades. Greenspan made the recommendation to Reagan and Reagan implemented it, that doesn't mean there was a surplus immediately because there wasn't SS trust fund money has been used by every President since LBJ put it on budget. Now what does that have to do about your lies about the Clinton surpluses, the thread topic, or your inability to admit when you are wrong on any subject?
 
Conservative said:
You think Clinton did such a good job? Did Clinton propose more or less than the Republican Congress gave him?
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You always go this way, you complain about this Dem POTUS or that one (when it is their budgets that by and large get passed) but when you start to lose the debate, you suddenly shift the goal posts to "Congresses".
 
The losers are we, the people, if folks don't realize how grave the IRS scandal is.
 
Conservative said:
I am so sorry, but you just don't have a clue, LBJ put SS on budget to pay for the Vietnam War
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LBJ got a tax pushed through specifically for war spending, unlike your boys from Texas.


and it has been on budget for decades. Greenspan made the recommendation to Reagan and Reagan implemented it, that doesn't mean there was a surplus immediately because there wasn't SS trust fund money has been used by every President since LBJ put it on budget.
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You can't even keep your story straight, first LBJ put SS in the budget for Vietnam, next he didn't use SS for Vietnam.....FFS! There was a surplus, then there wasn't...then there was...boing boing boing.

Now what does that have to do about your lies about the Clinton surpluses, the thread topic, or your inability to admit when you are wrong on any subject?
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It is beyond you to understand that the Clinton surpluses by law were used to pay back SS IOU's, that is a public debt, that is where the surpluses went.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
You always go this way, you complain about this Dem POTUS or that one (when it is their budgets that by and large get passed) but when you start to lose the debate, you suddenly shift the goal posts to "Congresses".
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Just trying to educate someone who believes Clinton had a surplus but knows very little about what happened during the Clinton years. This is nothing more than a diversion from the thread topic and to get people to ignore the Obama record and what he has done.
 
Gimmesometruth;1061831183]LBJ got a tax pushed through specifically for war spending, unlike your boys from Texas.
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LBJ put SS on budget to pay for the Vietnam War, there was no tax implemented. You are something else.


You can't even keep your story straight, first LBJ put SS in the budget for Vietnam, next he didn't use SS for Vietnam.....FFS! There was a surplus, then there wasn't...then there was...boing boing boing.
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Are you female for you have a comprehension problem and have to get the last word. He used SS funds for the Vietnam war, no tax increases. There was a SS surplus as there were more workers than retirees so that money wasn't missed from the SS fund. It is being missed now.

It is beyond you to understand that the Clinton surpluses by law were used to pay back SS IOU's, that is a public debt, that is where the surpluses went.
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Guess you always are going to believe that since you obviously don't understand that the debt rose 1.4 trillion dollars under Clinton but again what does that matter today when Obama has added 6.8 trillion in less than 5 years
 
Conservative said:
Debt increased 4.9 trillion under Bush in 8 years and 6.8 trillion so far under Obama in less than 5
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And you go through the same old dance...I say Obama has the worst economic downturn since 1929 to deal with (thank you GWB!) causing the debt, you bring up Reagan's self induced recession as a (non) comparison...on and on, the same old dance, a replay over and over.
 
Conservative said:
Just trying to educate someone who believes Clinton had a surplus but knows very little about what happened during the Clinton years. This is nothing more than a diversion from the thread topic and to get people to ignore the Obama record and what he has done.
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Do you really think telling the same lie over and over makes it true Conservative?

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Clinton’s large budget surpluses also owe much to the Social Security tax on payrolls. Social Security taxes now bring in more than the cost of current benefits, and the "Social Security surplus" makes the total deficit or surplus figures look better than they would if Social Security wasn’t counted. But even if we remove Social Security from the equation, there was a surplus of $1.9 billion in fiscal 1999 and $86.4 billion in fiscal 2000. So any way you count it, the federal budget was balanced and the deficit was erased, if only for a while.

FactCheck.org : The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton
 
Conservative said:
LBJ put SS on budget to pay for the Vietnam War, there was no tax implemented. You are something else.
Are you female for you have a comprehension problem and have to get the last word. He used SS funds for the Vietnam war, no tax increases. There was a SS surplus as there were more workers than retirees so that money wasn't missed from the SS fund. It is being missed now.
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You are absolutely flat out wrong, and I'll show you again for your failing memory:

In January 1967 Johnson asked Congress to approve "a sensible course of fiscal and budgetary policy," including a 6 percent surcharge on personal and corporate income taxes. The special levy, designed to help pay for the war, would last a maximum of two years -- less if swift victory allowed U.S. forces to withdraw sooner. The surcharge, which administration experts expected to raise $4.5 billion in its first year, would exempt taxpayers in the lowest tax brackets. And for almost everyone else, Johnson insisted, it would amount to less than $5 extra per month.

PS...nice bit of misogyny there, that is going in the old sig line..








Guess you always are going to believe that since you obviously don't understand that the debt rose 1.4 trillion dollars under Clinton but again what does that matter today when Obama has added 6.8 trillion in less than 5 years
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A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
 
Born Free said:
Under both Bush's, Hillery "what difference does that make" Obama has borrowed and spent more than all the president before him combined. And your proud of Obama's borrowing record, so all the presidents before Obama were failures when it came to borrowing like Obama.
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Another fact-free post. :roll:

Obama borrowed: $6.1 trillion.

All others combined: $10.6 trillion (and those are nominal figures).
 
Gimmesometruth said:
And you go through the same old dance...I say Obama has the worst economic downturn since 1929 to deal with (thank you GWB!) causing the debt, you bring up Reagan's self induced recession as a (non) comparison...on and on, the same old dance, a replay over and over.
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No doubt that is what you say but that is something you cannot prove. Liberals seem to have a problem proving their claims and since none of their predictions have been accurate you don't have a lot of credibility. Obama claimed he saved jobs, name for me the agency that officially calculates saved jobs? Name for me the economic prediction that Obama has made that is accurate yet you buy what you are told about the worst downturn since the great depression..

Obama the Messiah saving us all from an economic disaster that really didn't exist but an economic misery that many are still facing today.
 
Conservative said:
Just trying to educate someone who believes Clinton had a surplus but knows very little about what happened during the Clinton years. This is nothing more than a diversion from the thread topic and to get people to ignore the Obama record and what he has done.
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You brought up Clinton, I didn't. You think he did not have surpluses, but he did. You can't understand how our laws force some surpluses to pay down PUBLIC DEBT, SS IOU's that you supposedly dislike, but can't give the only POTUS in recent memory to do so any credit.

Your partisanship is disgusting, along with your misogyny.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You brought up Clinton, I didn't. You think he did not have surpluses, but he did. You can't understand how our laws force some surpluses to pay down PUBLIC DEBT, SS IOU's that you supposedly dislike, but can't give the only POTUS in recent memory to do so any credit.

Your partisanship is disgusting, along with your misogyny.
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Your opinion noted. How are the IOU's going to be funded with a 17. trillion dollar debt?

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16
 
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