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Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe

Bob N said:
If the MSM is always on Obama's side than why would the Press hurt him? :roll:

"A house divided against itself cannot stand,"
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Umm, because they had their privacy violated by the administration?

DUH?
 
Bob N said:
Don't you mean "by the Justice Department?" :popcorn2:
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The attorney general is part of the "administration," and such surveillance requires direct approval from the AG.

So, yeah, from the administration.

Of course, Obama is so aloof he knows nothing of this. Perhaps people like you empower such incompetence.
 
PeteEU said:
No, I am just pointing out that the very same people up in arms over this, were defending the warrentless wiretapping of American citizens and yes there most likely was a journalist or two in that large bunch of people being listened too. Bush even imprisoned journalists and out right murdered them in Iraq and Afghanistan... oh no wait they were non-Americans so that is okay right?

For a people who hate the government, it is always striking how the fake outrage only applies to a government run by the political opposition, but never when you are the one doing the illegal business.

And for the record... if true that they did this without a warrant and not through FISA.. then yes it is a scandal and heads should roll.
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No you are just pointing some some vague group of people supposedly up in arms about this that were not up in arms about something else. And of course dragging Bush and some supposed "outright" murders he suppsoedly committed into it. As always, a vacuous and intellectually empty dodge particularly since none of these supposed people appear to be in this thread. But boony for you that after some goading and calling out you were finally able to muster up the courage to address the topic at last and even say if it is true heads should roll.:applaud
 
Taylor said:
No, not really.
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Has Team Obama explained away what excuse they had to Wiretap the Ap's Phones in the House of Representatives.....yet? See going after leaking information out of the White House with the AP. Doesn't give them any excuse to tap the House's Phones.
 
rocket88 said:
I don't want to make it black and white. That's a hallmark of how the right
sees things. Everything they don't like is "Liberal." Anti-semitism, racism, Nazism - must be libbos.

If, as the right often claims, the scary liberal media is run by the administration, why would they want to do that to their lapdogs?
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I have yet to see one Conservative poster claim the administration " runs the media" .

I think the prevailing consensus is that the media is simply on the administrations side when they should have been the objective voice for Americans.

And yes, when it comes to Bengjazi, or the IRS targeting people based on their political lean, or the AG illegally tapping the lines of a News orginizatio n, the distinctions between right and wrong are clear as a bell.

How many times is your President, his AG, his Secretary of State going to claim that they're totally disconnected before you call bull sh** ?
 
StringBean said:
The attorney general is part of the "administration," and such surveillance requires direct approval from the AG.

So, yeah, from the administration.

Of course, Obama is so aloof he knows nothing of this. Perhaps people like you empower such incompetence.
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Not even done with the investigation yet and Obama did it? Yeah, OK. Part of the administration and the administration is two very different things; I hope that you know that.:blink:
 
jonny5 said:
That just proves my point. We passed laws to protect those rights. Where is the constitutional amendment authorizing the govt to pay for healthcare? Just look at your first reponse to this thread
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The US Supreme Court has stated it is constitutional.... deal with it.

Wheres your vigorous defense of democracy? You applaud people for defending democracy when democracy supports your ideology.
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It was there days after Bush so called won the 2000 election.. with the fewest votes. Where were you?
 
Gie said:
No you are just pointing some some vague group of people supposedly up in arms about this that were not up in arms about something else.
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Supposedly? LOL come on. The GOP defended Bush, but attack Obama for the same thing... there is no supposedly. As for these boards, there are many who defended everything from the Bush election to GITMO and ignored the 10+ American's killed at diplomatic missions during the Bush administration.

And of course dragging Bush and some supposed "outright" murders he suppsoedly committed into it. As always, a vacuous and intellectually empty dodge particularly since none of these supposed people appear to be in this thread.
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supposedly again.. sorry but there is no supposedly when it comes to Bush and you know it. He did spy on the American people without a warrant. He did lock up hundreds of people based on no evidence. He did torture. He did start a war based on lies and so on and so on.

But boony for you that after some goading and calling out you were finally able to muster up the courage to address the topic at last and even say if it is true heads should roll.:applaud
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At least I am consistent and have criticized both Bush and Obama when they do similar things.
 
PeteEU said:
Supposedly? LOL come on. The GOP defended Bush, but attack Obama for the same thing... there is no supposedly. As for these boards, there are many who defended everything from the Bush election to GITMO and ignored the 10+ American's killed at diplomatic missions during the Bush administration.



supposedly again.. sorry but there is no supposedly when it comes to Bush and you know it. He did spy on the American people without a warrant. He did lock up hundreds of people based on no evidence. He did torture. He did start a war based on lies and so on and so on.



At least I am consistent and have criticized both Bush and Obama when they do similar things.
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We get it, it's Bush fault that Obama is a lying sack of **** that had his people spy on AP reporters.
 
PeteEU said:
The US Supreme Court has stated it is constitutional.... deal with it.



It was there days after Bush so called won the 2000 election.. with the fewest votes. Where were you?
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Bush had the most electoral votes. Thats what the rule of law specifies.
 
Bob N said:
Not even done with the investigation yet and Obama did it? Yeah, OK. Part of the administration and the administration is two very different things; I hope that you know that.:blink:
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Come on, man, you are being obtuse. At the very least the Administration consists of the President, Vice President, and the President's Cabinet.
 
apdst said:
I bet the AP won't be carrying water for The Messiah, anymore. ;)
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I bet they will. I bet nothing will change with our embedded presstitutes.
 
Sarcogito said:
Come on, man, you are being obtuse. At the very least the Administration consists of the President, Vice President, and the President's Cabinet.
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AG Holder is the only one that could green light this. I have a hard time thinking Obama didnt know about it unless it was deliberately done that way in which Jarett probably knows about it.

The wiretapping or phone records probe doesnt need to be extensive either, it needs to be probably under 5 very specific people who knew about what was going on.
 
Henry David said:
I bet they will. I bet nothing will change with our embedded presstitutes.
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Even the most loyal timid lap dog will eventually bite its master if you beat it enough
 
trfjr said:
Even the most loyal timid lap dog will eventually bite its master if you beat it enough
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I hope you're right, and I hope this brings down the Obama administration. It's been a long time coming. :cool:
 
The IRS wants YOU

That is some disturbing BS. Why would the IRS need to discuss someone's Facebook posts, or ask about what they "thought" about things? Why would they ask about FUTURE donations? Why would they ask for a roll of members?

Still feel good about where you send your taxes every year?
 
Erod said:
The IRS wants YOU

That is some disturbing BS. Why would the IRS need to discuss someone's Facebook posts, or ask about what they "thought" about things? Why would they ask about FUTURE donations? Why would they ask for a roll of members?

Still feel good about where you send your taxes every year?
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Because these were political organizations which should have been filed as non-profit 527's. But instead these groups filed as social welfare 501(c)(4)s.

By law, social welfare groups cannot be primarily engaged in politics. This was the primary purpose of most of these groups. The reason they didn't file as 527's is so that they could keep their donors secret. We're looking at a gigantic money laundering effort by groups (both left and right) to skirt campaign finance laws. Remember, these groups all had the option to file as 527 PACs. Had they done so, they would have quickly obtained tax exempt status without any additional investigation because they were complying with the law.

We have a situation in which an office that was used to handling 1200 501(c)(4) applications a year, was suddenly swamped with 3400+ in the aftermath of Citizens United. Most, but not all of these applications were filed by conservative leaning groups and these applications were processed by (I believe) one to three individuals.

The IRS was 100% wrong to single out groups with the name of tea party, but they were right to investigate these groups. I think the biggest scandal here is that they did not investigate more groups. Any organization with party in their name should almost certainly be a 527, not a 501(c)(4); be it Democratic Party, Republican Party, or Tea Party.
 
Mithros said:
The IRS was 100% wrong to single out groups with the name of tea party, but they were right to investigate these groups. I think the biggest scandal here is that they did not investigate more groups. Any organization with party in their name should almost certainly be a 527, not a 501(c)(4); be it Democratic Party, Republican Party, or Tea Party.
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Stop right there: The IRS was 100% wrong to single out groups.
 
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