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Gosnell guilty of 3 counts of murder

Viktyr Gehrig said:
I don't give a damn about the dead babies. It's the dead patients he should hang for; there's no excuse for running a medical clinic the way he did.
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What the dead babies are less important than the mother who wanted her born child murdered. I see it the other way around, I care everything about the babies and nothing for the mother that wanted them dead.
 
Born Free said:
What the dead babies are less important than the mother who wanted her born child murdered. I see it the other way around, I care everything about the babies and nothing for the mother that wanted them dead.
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We pretty much already covered that when you said you were pro-life.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
We pretty much already covered that when you said you were pro-life.
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Well that's not true. Some of us have sympathy for the scumbag that hired the serial killer, some of us don't. I certainly don't.

I see no practical difference between what Gosnell did and what his peers do. They should all get the type of sentence he's going to get... but in the meantime, at least one of these monsters is not going to be able to hurt anyone else ever again.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
We pretty much already covered that when you said you were pro-life.
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. I am pro-life, and I do care very much for the women who, for whatever reason, sought late-term abortions from Gosnell. They had to have been desperate. I mean, surely word got around the neighborhood that Gosnell was the go-to guy and that you'd probably suffer a lot of pain.
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
We pretty much already covered that when you said you were pro-life.
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Of course, you cheered for Gosnell to get off, I mean what did you say "I don't give a damn about the dead babies" I see you have no problem killing live babies. Yeah you hire a guy to kill the baby when it comes out of the womb, no different than hiring a hit man to kill somebody, and what would you say "I don't give a damn about the dead guy"

In the Gosnell case I could care less about some dumb bitch that could not care less about her child and waits until it's about to be delivered and hires a quack to kill it when it come out.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
He was a crappy doctor, but wasn't he giving his customer what they wanted? When you pay for an abortion, don't you expect to get a dead "baby"?
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You should... read more about what actually happened at this guy's "clinic."
 
Deuce said:
You should... read more about what actually happened at this guy's "clinic."
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Yep. And the grand jury report is available online and has been posted many times. Pics available too.
 
Unless the women were forced to abort without their consent there should not be murder charges. If he did the abortions at a point when they were not allowed then he should face charges for illegal abortions and not for murder. If he was disposing of the remains wrongfully after the abortion procedure then they should nail him for that. The problem is this is not murder, and because of that may get wiped out in appeals because the courts and the anti-abortion extremists want to go way overboard on charges. Whatever ways he broke the law I am fine with charging him for, but I do not think it is murder to abort a baby for a willing mother.

I also think thwese charges were brought as a political step and as vengeance for the anti-abortion crowd who has no real involvement with any of this. No one cared about those babies lives enough to rush in and pay for the pregnancy and commit to raising them in a loving household to avoid the abortions. The right doesn't even want to pay for WIC, school lunches, or SNAP for poor kids who are not responsible for the positions they are born to. They were unwanted children, and that reality would always haunt them. Maybe the right should be a little more appalled by it's own lack of character when it comes to helping disadvantaged kids born to bad circumstances which pretty much leads to a huge reason why many people chose abortion. This guy broke the law regarding abortions and he deserves to be punished for the laws he broke. Abortion is not murder in this country, and it should not be murder anywhere. Since the other stuff seems to be true i am fine with him losing his medical license and jail time for performing abortions at the wrong time, and also his disposal of biohazard waste in a very improper manner if that is true.
 
tererun said:
Unless the women were forced to abort without their consent there should not be murder charges. If he did the abortions at a point when they were not allowed then he should face charges for illegal abortions and not for murder. If he was disposing of the remains wrongfully after the abortion procedure then they should nail him for that. The problem is this is not murder, and because of that may get wiped out in appeals because the courts and the anti-abortion extremists want to go way overboard on charges. Whatever ways he broke the law I am fine with charging him for, but I do not think it is murder to abort a baby for a willing mother.

I also think thwese charges were brought as a political step and as vengeance for the anti-abortion crowd who has no real involvement with any of this. No one cared about those babies lives enough to rush in and pay for the pregnancy and commit to raising them in a loving household to avoid the abortions. The right doesn't even want to pay for WIC, school lunches, or SNAP for poor kids who are not responsible for the positions they are born to. They were unwanted children, and that reality would always haunt them. Maybe the right should be a little more appalled by it's own lack of character when it comes to helping disadvantaged kids born to bad circumstances which pretty much leads to a huge reason why many people chose abortion. This guy broke the law regarding abortions and he deserves to be punished for the laws he broke. Abortion is not murder in this country, and it should not be murder anywhere. Since the other stuff seems to be true i am fine with him losing his medical license and jail time for performing abortions at the wrong time, and also his disposal of biohazard waste in a very improper manner if that is true.
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I think you should read the grand jury report and familiarize yourself with its particulars.

http://www.phila.gov/districtattorney/pdfs/grandjurywomensmedical.pdf
 
Viktyr Gehrig said:
I don't give a damn about the dead babies.
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Oh I do. I think of my friend's new born son who's still in the NICU and I can't imagine anyone wanting to hurt him either now, one month ago or two or three months ago. I've always been philosophically anti-abortion in a "it's bad to hurt babies" kind of way but helping her throughout her pregnancy, watching his devlopement through endless sonogram pictures has made me more pro-life than ever.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
I know ... damn regulations.
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actually, the major issue here was the complete lack of regulation. Reading the grand jury report can be rather mind blowing in the extent on what was ignored, willfully hidden, and allowed by the medical community and health regulators
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Yea. Horrifying. So evil and horrifying those damn liberals are and their positions they support. :roll::roll:
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well, the problems stem from a political attitude that abortion providers should have free reign, because any amount of oversight would work as a deterrent. But it was put into place by Ridge.

Though a lack of basic safety regulations shouldn't turn into a partisan issue
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
I want to regulate how much soda you drink? I don't remember saying that. Why? Because I don't want to regulate how much soda you drink. :shrug:
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But you do~!!! You just don't know it yet.
 
tererun said:
Unless the women were forced to abort without their consent there should not be murder charges. If he did the abortions at a point when they were not allowed then he should face charges for illegal abortions and not for murder. If he was disposing of the remains wrongfully after the abortion procedure then they should nail him for that. The problem is this is not murder, and because of that may get wiped out in appeals because the courts and the anti-abortion extremists want to go way overboard on charges. Whatever ways he broke the law I am fine with charging him for, but I do not think it is murder to abort a baby for a willing mother.

I also think thwese charges were brought as a political step and as vengeance for the anti-abortion crowd who has no real involvement with any of this. No one cared about those babies lives enough to rush in and pay for the pregnancy and commit to raising them in a loving household to avoid the abortions. The right doesn't even want to pay for WIC, school lunches, or SNAP for poor kids who are not responsible for the positions they are born to. They were unwanted children, and that reality would always haunt them. Maybe the right should be a little more appalled by it's own lack of character when it comes to helping disadvantaged kids born to bad circumstances which pretty much leads to a huge reason why many people chose abortion. This guy broke the law regarding abortions and he deserves to be punished for the laws he broke. Abortion is not murder in this country, and it should not be murder anywhere. Since the other stuff seems to be true i am fine with him losing his medical license and jail time for performing abortions at the wrong time, and also his disposal of biohazard waste in a very improper manner if that is true.
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He killed 3 babies that were born alive.
 
trfjr said:
he will die in jail. I'm not usually for the death penalty but in this case i will make an exception i would like to see his spine snipped like he did to those babies
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I don't support the death penalty, but going to prison as a child killer is the functional equivalent of a death sentence... and I'm not losing sleep.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
actually, the major issue here was the complete lack of regulation. Reading the grand jury report can be rather mind blowing in the extent on what was ignored, willfully hidden, and allowed by the medical community and health regulators
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Well yes, I agree with him being guilty due to the abhorrent medical conditions.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
actually, the major issue here was the complete lack of regulation. Reading the grand jury report can be rather mind blowing in the extent on what was ignored, willfully hidden, and allowed by the medical community and health regulators
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The major issue was morality.
 
The main issue was murder. Gosnell was found guilty.
 
he is a murder and he wont be missed :shrug:

wish we could bring public stonings just for him :)
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Well yes, I agree with him being guilty due to the abhorrent medical conditions.
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I'm not going to get into the abortion issue here, but it's shameful what happened at that facility, and that people in places of authority allowed it to go on. Political interest in facilitating abortion should not lead to what we saw at Gosnell's clinic. There is absolutely no excuse to allow such politics to trump personal safety, especially on the level where deaths are being reported
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
I'm not going to get into the abortion issue here, but it's shameful what happened at that facility, and that people in places of authority allowed it to go on. Political interest in facilitating abortion should not lead to what we saw at Gosnell's clinic. There is absolutely no excuse to allow such politics to trump personal safety, especially on the level where deaths are being reported
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How'd politics trump personal safety in your eyes? I agree he should've been guilty on the failure to upkeep sanitary conditions.
 
And to think, there isn't a essentially a bit of difference between these and any other abortion.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
How'd politics trump personal safety in your eyes? I agree he should've been guilty on the failure to upkeep sanitary conditions.
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read the grand jury report. There was specific intent to ignore abortion facilities and deregulate them, because regulation was seen as a deterent to abortion.

It was a policy frst initiated under Ridge that carried over into subsequent administrations
 
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