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BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

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BBC News - After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

"This is the first hard evidence that the state department did ask for changes to the CIA's original assessment.

Specifically, they wanted references to previous warnings deleted and this sentence removed: "We do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa'ida participated in the attack."

There's little doubt in my mind that this will haunt Hillary Clinton if she decides to run for president, unless she executes some pretty fancy footwork.

State department spokesperson Victoria Nuland is directly implicated, and the fingerprints of senior White House aides Ben Rhodes and Jay Carney are there as well."


so even foreign news organizations are coming around and realizing it is a cover up and apologizing for dismissing it at first
 
BBC News - After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

"This is the first hard evidence that the state department did ask for changes to the CIA's original assessment.

Specifically, they wanted references to previous warnings deleted and this sentence removed: "We do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa'ida participated in the attack."

There's little doubt in my mind that this will haunt Hillary Clinton if she decides to run for president, unless she executes some pretty fancy footwork.

State department spokesperson Victoria Nuland is directly implicated, and the fingerprints of senior White House aides Ben Rhodes and Jay Carney are there as well."


so even foreign news organizations are coming around and realizing it is a cover up and apologizing for dismissing it at first

I don't think anyone believes Obama " went to bed ".

They all got caught in this lie, and the media was complacent and complicit.

Anything to get him re-elected.
 
BBC News - After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

"This is the first hard evidence that the state department did ask for changes to the CIA's original assessment.

Specifically, they wanted references to previous warnings deleted and this sentence removed: "We do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa'ida participated in the attack."

There's little doubt in my mind that this will haunt Hillary Clinton if she decides to run for president, unless she executes some pretty fancy footwork.

State department spokesperson Victoria Nuland is directly implicated, and the fingerprints of senior White House aides Ben Rhodes and Jay Carney are there as well."


so even foreign news organizations are coming around and realizing it is a cover up and apologizing for dismissing it at first

Do you really think for a nanosecond progressives give a damn about Benghazi? to progressives it's all a misunderstanding.

Clinton could be found guilty of treason and every progressive in this damn country would protest with "free Clinton" signs.

Progressives just don't care.

All progressive voters care about is free money and government assistance first and authoritarian enforcement of their ideas second - Benghazi (or any other scandal for that matter) means absolutely nothing to them - just as long as their progressive ideas are forced on the public and they get free money.

Simple as that..
 
I don't think anyone believes Obama " went to bed ".

They all got caught in this lie, and the media was complacent and complicit.

Anything to get him re-elected.
what is so sad and is making me ashamed of American news organizations is the rest of the world is waking up and calling it a cover up and our news organizations are still trying to spin it away, while the world is laughing at them
 
I don't think anyone believes Obama " went to bed ".

They all got caught in this lie, and the media was complacent and complicit.

Anything to get him re-elected.

Obama probably did go to bed thinking others would handle the situation "appropriately" (whatever appropriate means to Obama I don't know).

IMO, this whole damn tragedy is the result of political correctness... If we went in and saved our people and kicked ass the US would look like the bad guy and Obama wanted to save face so they did nothing.... That's the jest - cannon fodder.
 
Obama probably did go to bed thinking others would handle the situation "appropriately" (whatever appropriate means to Obama I don't know).

IMO, this whole damn tragedy is the result of political correctness... If we went in and saved our people and kicked ass the US would look like the bad guy and Obama wanted to save face so they did nothing.... That's the jest - cannon fodder.
Dam right he went to bed he gave is final order to let them die and walked off
 
Obama probably did go to bed thinking others would handle the situation "appropriately" (whatever appropriate means to Obama I don't know).

IMO, this whole damn tragedy is the result of political correctness... If we went in and saved our people and kicked ass the US would look like the bad guy and Obama wanted to save face so they did nothing.... That's the jest - cannon fodder.

It's about diplomacy. If we landed a huge invasion force to save 4 people, a lot more than 4 people would have died. Ambassadors know that it can be risky, especially in a place like Libya.
 
It's about diplomacy. If we landed a huge invasion force to save 4 people, a lot more than 4 people would have died. Ambassadors know that it can be risky, especially in a place like Libya.

We didn't need a "full invasion force" what we needed was nothing more than a immediate seal team rescue to evacuate.

Furthermore if we did go in full force - so what if a bunch of brotherhood lunatics got offed? They started the ****.

If It was my authority I would have got everyone out the second I was aware of the situation, then would have napalmed the entire block....

There would have been absolutely no geopolitical ramifications for that whatsoever - reason - we're still the most powerful country in the world - hence we're a major player in the global economy. No country in their right mind will screw that up over a little offensive-defense and retribution.

The fact we didn't do anything shows how passive idiots like Clinton or Obama really are.

This "don't hit, talk" on a geopolitical spectrum is bull****...
 
Obama probably did go to bed thinking others would handle the situation "appropriately" (whatever appropriate means to Obama I don't know).

IMO, this whole damn tragedy is the result of political correctness... If we went in and saved our people and kicked ass the US would look like the bad guy and Obama wanted to save face so they did nothing.... That's the jest - cannon fodder.

I have to disagree with that. I think this tragedy is the result of us going into Libya in the first damn place. If we hadn't done that, this would have never happened.
 
It's about diplomacy. If we landed a huge invasion force to save 4 people, a lot more than 4 people would have died. Ambassadors know that it can be risky, especially in a place like Libya.

Diplomacy my ass, and what huge invasion force are you talking about?

Ambassadors know it can be risky, especially in a place like Libya. Now tell me is Hillery too stupid to know that. So she is too stupid to keep our embassies safe especially in a place like Libya. Her political career is over, she's too stupid.
 
It's about diplomacy. If we landed a huge invasion force to save 4 people, a lot more than 4 people would have died. Ambassadors know that it can be risky, especially in a place like Libya.

It had nothing to do with diplomacy and every thing to do with the election. Obama had a narrative he had to keep alive that terrorism was defeated and how could he blame it on a video if he sent troops in? how would it look if he used military force over some protest over a you tube video
 
This "don't hit, talk" on a geopolitical spectrum is bull****...

Actually, that's why we're both alive. The Cuban Missile Crisis, and countless times before the fall of the Soviet Union anything could have happened if we just nuked everybody.
 
I have to disagree with that. I think this tragedy is the result of us going into Libya in the first damn place. If we hadn't done that, this would have never happened.

That I agree with, I never knew why in the hell we want to bomb the crab out of Libya. Oh wait, it was for OIL.
 
It's about diplomacy. If we landed a huge invasion force to save 4 people, a lot
more than 4 people would have died. Ambassadors know that it can be risky, especially in a place like Libya.

Thats just retarded.

A desperate attempt to justify the criminal actions of the Obama administration.

Do you know the first thing about our current military capabillity ? Or are you making sh** up so you can keep supporting Obama and it not effect your beuty rest ?

One of the guys who flew their HAD TIME to laser one of the TERRORIST positions.

Do you have the slightest understanding of what that means ?
 
I have to disagree with that. I think this tragedy is the result of us going into Libya in the first damn place. If we hadn't done that, this would have never happened.

"Going into Libya?"

It was an embassy - benevolent.

There are plenty of foreign embassies here in the US.
 
Diplomacy my ass, and what huge invasion force are you talking about?

Ambassadors know it can be risky, especially in a place like Libya. Now tell me is Hillery too stupid to know that. So she is too stupid to keep our embassies safe especially in a place like Libya. Her political career is over, she's too stupid.

Keeping the premises safe was the responsibility of the Libyans

http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf

Article 22

2.The receiving State is under a special duty to take all appropriate steps to protect the premises
of the mission against any intrusion or damage and to prevent any disturbance of the peace of the
mission or impairment of its dignity
 
BBC News - After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

"This is the first hard evidence that the state department did ask for changes to the CIA's original assessment.

Specifically, they wanted references to previous warnings deleted and this sentence removed: "We do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa'ida participated in the attack."

There's little doubt in my mind that this will haunt Hillary Clinton if she decides to run for president, unless she executes some pretty fancy footwork.

State department spokesperson Victoria Nuland is directly implicated, and the fingerprints of senior White House aides Ben Rhodes and Jay Carney are there as well."


so even foreign news organizations are coming around and realizing it is a cover up and apologizing for dismissing it at first

Time will tell. So far I have seen nothing to get overly excited about or to jump to the president defense. Better for all to sit back and let this play out before jumping to a ton of different conclusions.
 
Actually, that's why we're both alive. The Cuban Missile Crisis, and countless times before the fall of the Soviet Union anything could have happened if we just nuked everybody.

WHAT????? The Cuban Missile Crisis wasn't ended due to "diplomacy" - we caught Russia red handed setting up nuclear bases in Cuba via U2 spy plane photos, drilled them about them while they denied it entirely then after they did we presented them with the photos and made the USSR look like total jackasses in front of the world....

Humility and deception is what ceased the Cuban missile crisis - no diplomacy involved.

Kennedy would have blown Cuba off the map if he could -- yeah, go read about all his loony ideas on how to invade Cuba, attack Cuba, assassinate Castro etc.... Kennedy was hardly diplomatic.

As far as the USSR, they had no desire to bomb us or attack us after the Cuban Missile Crisis -- after that both sides were weary about each others intentions.
 
Keeping the premises safe was the responsibility of the Libyans

http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf

Rockett, I have seen time and time again over 46 years of active duty or working for the army as a civilian, the State Department turn down extra security. They turn it down even when the threat is very real. State thinks their job is diplomacy and visa’s, talk and they also think have a bunch of military around them, who’s job in State’s perception is to kill people and break things deters them from doing their job.

So did State turn down more security even if asked by an Ambassador, it wouldn’t surprise me. State has done this throughout many, many administrations going back to LBJ for me. It is the mentality of the State Department, diplomacy over security. At least that has been my personal experience.
 
WHAT????? The Cuban Missile Crisis wasn't ended due to "diplomacy" - we caught Russia red handed setting up nuclear bases in Cuba via U2 spy plane photos, drilled them about them while they denied it entirely then after they did we presented them with the photos and made the USSR look like total jackasses in front of the world....

Humility and deception is what ceased the Cuban missile crisis - no diplomacy involved.

Kennedy would have blown Cuba off the map if he could -- yeah, go read about all his loony ideas on how to invade Cuba, attack Cuba, assassinate Castro etc.... Kennedy was hardly diplomatic.

As far as the USSR, they had no desire to bomb us or attack us after the Cuban Missile Crisis -- after that both sides were weary about each others intentions.


Kennedy had plenty of plans about assassinating Castro.

The point is if we just went blowing things up because we felt like it, we wouldn't be here. And if you think diplomacy was in no way involved in diffusing the Cuban Missile Crisis, consider this:

On Saturday evening, after a day of tense discussions within the "ExComm" or Executive Committee of senior advisers, President Kennedy decided on a dual strategy—a formal letter to Khrushchev accepting the implicit terms of his October 26 letter (a U.S. non-invasion pledge in exchange for the verifiable departure of Soviet nuclear missiles), coupled with private assurances to Khrushchev that the United States would speedily take out its missiles from Turkey, but only on the basis of a secret understanding, not as an open agreement that would appear to the public, and to NATO allies, as a concession to blackmail. The U.S. president elected to transmit this sensitive message through his brother, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, who met in his office at the Justice Department with Soviet ambassador Anatoly Dobrynin.

The Cuban Missile Crisis, 1962: Anatomy of a Controversey
 
WHAT????? The Cuban Missile Crisis wasn't ended due to "diplomacy" - we caught Russia red handed setting up nuclear bases in Cuba via U2 spy plane photos, drilled them about them while they denied it entirely then after they did we presented them with the photos and made the USSR look like total jackasses in front of the world....

Humility and deception is what ceased the Cuban missile crisis - no diplomacy involved.

Kennedy would have blown Cuba off the map if he could -- yeah, go read about all his loony ideas on how to invade Cuba, attack Cuba, assassinate Castro etc.... Kennedy was hardly diplomatic.

As far as the USSR, they had no desire to bomb us or attack us after the Cuban Missile Crisis -- after that both sides were weary about each others intentions.

Actually it is a very good thing we didn't invade Cuba back in 1962 during the missile crisis. Unknow to us, the USSR also had sent tactical Nukes which were armed and ready to repel any invasion and WWIII would have followed. Khrushchev got what he wanted from the affair, Atlas missiles out of Turkey although that part of the deal was kept quite and he removed the missiles from Cuba to include the TacNukes which also was kept secret for a guarantee from JFK that the U.S. would never invade Cuba.
 
Hopefully, the "youtube video" BS was about chasing down the perpetrators before they knew that we knew.
 
Rockett, I have seen time and time again over 46 years of active duty or working for the army as a civilian, the State Department turn down extra security. They turn it down even when the threat is very real. State thinks their job is diplomacy and visa’s, talk and they also think have a bunch of military around them, who’s job in State’s perception is to kill people and break things deters them from doing their job.

So did State turn down more security even if asked by an Ambassador, it wouldn’t surprise me. State has done this throughout many, many administrations going back to LBJ for me. It is the mentality of the State Department, diplomacy over security. At least that has been my personal experience.


So it's a long standing operational policy of the State Department. Fine, why would Obama or Clinton be crucified for following the policies of their predecessors?
 
BBC News - After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

"This is the first hard evidence that the state department did ask for changes to the CIA's original assessment.

Specifically, they wanted references to previous warnings deleted and this sentence removed: "We do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa'ida participated in the attack."

There's little doubt in my mind that this will haunt Hillary Clinton if she decides to run for president, unless she executes some pretty fancy footwork.

State department spokesperson Victoria Nuland is directly implicated, and the fingerprints of senior White House aides Ben Rhodes and Jay Carney are there as well."


so even foreign news organizations are coming around and realizing it is a cover up and apologizing for dismissing it at first

What lying politicians do is brainstorm the following:

What do I have to say . . . what had to happen in order for me to come out of this clean? Whatever that is? That's what happened and that's exactly what I'll say.

When a brainstorming group is put to the task and given weeks to accomplish same, Hillary Clinton could come out smelling like a rose. And yet again the right will be painted as witch hunters. The difference this time is that I think they've found one.
 
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