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Stevens Went To Benghazi So Clinton Could Announce A Permanent Post; ARB Omits

do I need a link for that

you need a link any time you intend to distinguish yourself from any other uninformed poser with an equally worthless opinion based on unread ignorance, goes without saying

in other words, shut up and read

victoria nuland, state dept press spokesperson, according to the email chain in the possession of evil darrell issa, insisted on behalf of "[her] building's leadership" that the cia advisory drawn up in response to dutch ruppersberger's inquiry, what do i tell my constituents, be scrubbed of all mention of "islamic extremists with ties to al qaeda," "ansar al sharia," "jihad," as well as the removal of the reference to those 5 previous terrorist attacks in benghazi

link above

why?

the white house says it's just a question of style

Carney: Changes to Benghazi talking points by W.H. were 'stylistic and non-substantive' - YouTube

LOL!

look forward to meeting lt col gibson and ms cheryl mills in hearings next to convene

the latter, hrc's cos, will be speaking under oath

stay tuned
 
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only e-warriors care

more unsubstantiated and therefore worthless opinion

meanwhile:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/u...count-from-libya-of-benghazi-attack.html?_r=0

At Benghazi hearing, State Dept. officials challenge administration review of attacks - The Washington Post

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-08/benghazi-panel-ignored-higher-ups-official-testifies.html

Benghazi witness: State Department told me not to speak to members of Congress | WashingtonExaminer.com

The High Cost to the White House of Stonewalling on Benghazi - NationalJournal.com

from nyt above, e-warriors in the white house:

The Obama administration appeared focused on the testimony, with senior officials at the White House, the State Department and the Pentagon responding through the day to Republican accusations of incompetence and cover-up in campaign war room style.

funny where you find folks who care

they're a dime a dozen

link?
 
Is Gregory Hicks lying?


Hicks testified that the ARB report failed to mention that SMC in Benghazi was going to be a permanent mission on orders from Hillary Clinton. But why would the ARB report contradict itself by reporting that SMC was only a temporary facility and thats why it didn't get funding to meet security standards for embassies? Somebody isn't telling the truth and judging by the look on Mr. Hicks face and his uncomfortable demeanor during the entire hearing....I suspect it might be him.....the disgruntled employee out for revenge. I wonder if he'd be willing to take a lie detector test?

From the ARB report....

Another key driver behind the weak security platform in Benghazi was the decision to treat Benghazi as a temporary, residential facility, not officially notified to the host government, even though it was also a full time office facility. This resulted in the Special Mission compound being excepted from office facility standards and accountability under the Secure Embassy Construction and Counterterrorism Act of 1999 (SECCA) and the Overseas Security Policy Board (OSPB). Benghazi’s initial platform in November 2011 was far short of OSPB...read


One more thing....Prior to the attacks on Sept. 11, Gregory Hicks had notified Amb. Stevens that the Embassy Cairo compound had been breached and there were protests all over the ME because of the video. He was still glued to the TV when Amb. Stevens called him later that night to tell him that the Benghazi compound was under attack. Now why would he warn Amb. Stevens if he didn't think there was a possibility that SMC might also be breached and for the same reason as the Cairo embassy? From the ARB report....


"....Later on September 11, the Ambassador was informed by his Deputy Chief of Mission (DCM) in Tripoli of the breach of the Embassy Cairo compound that had occurred that day and briefly discussed the news with ARSO 3. The TDY RSO was also informed of the Cairo compound breach by his Regional Security Officer counterpart in Tripoli and shared the information with colleagues at the Annex...read.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

So it appears that everybody in the SMC and the Annex were warned and aware that a possible protest and/or security breach might happen because of the video. Well, one thing we know for sure, there was an attack on the Benghazi compound on the same day that the Cairo embassy was attacked. Coincidence? I think not.
 
wow u sure told me. :roll:

It only took you 39 min to come up with that zinger. Imagine if you had waited an hour, it would have been earth-shattering.
 
I wonder if he'd be willing to take a lie detector test

LOL!

i wonder if pickering and mullen would be willing to tesitfy

y'know, under oath

one thing we know for sure, there was an attack on the Benghazi compound on the same day that the Cairo embassy was attacked

cnn: "on september 10, at least 18 hours before the attack, al qaeda leader ayman al zawahiri called for attacks on americans in libya to avenge the death of al libi"

on september 14, aqap "released a statement arguing the attack was revenge for the death of abu yahya al libi, a senior al qaeda operative, in pakistan in june 2012," notes cnn

in other words, it wasn't a video, it was a drone

Sources: 3 al Qaeda operatives took part in Benghazi attack - CNN.com

coincidence?

why did ambassador rice duplicitously point to a video when even the sterilized talking points, scrubbed assiduously the nite before by state spokespeople on behalf of "building leadership," dared not charge that bridge so far?

The Benghazi Talking Points | The Weekly Standard

why was ambassador hicks directed NOT to talk to congressman chaffetz in libya?

and why in this white house must expediency always trump national interest, security and the truth?

the e-warriors are back at it:

Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference - ABC News

seeya at the committee, comrades

bring a sofabed, it's gonna be a while
 
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A smart pol like Clinton would never allow her presidential ambitions to be derailed by a security breach.

This may be beyond her ability to "let." She asked the wrong question: "What difference does it make?"
 
I don't think this was the first time that Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi, nor do I think it was inappropriate for Secretary Clinton to want to establish a permanent post in Benghazi. From what I've heard and read about Ambassador Stevens, I'm pretty sure he would have been the one pushing for it too because of his love of the Libyan people.

That said, choosing the anniversary of 9/11 was a critical mistake. It has been well known since 2001 that anniversaries of 9/11 are times for America and its satelites around the world to be on high alert with maximum security with the view that this day was just as important to Al Qaeda as it is to America. It was foolish of Ambassador Stevens and whomever was planning security for the trip to choose this day with such a limited security presence.

The issues for me still remain the apparent lack of concern in the White House and with the State Department with what was happening on the ground in Benghazi while Ambassador Stevens and his staff were under attack - the disregard for their lives, almost as if they were collateral damage to be expected - and the flat out lies to the American people in an attempt to fool them into thinking the attack was something it wasn't for the sole purpose of protecting the President's reelection campaign and foreign policy messaging.
 
LOL!

i wonder if pickering and mullen would be willing to tesitfy

y'know, under oath
Mullens and Pickering already testified to a Senate committee back in December...but they said they wanted to testify at the oversight committee hearings too, but Issa won't let them.

cnn: "on september 10, at least 18 hours before the attack, al qaeda leader ayman al zawahiri called for attacks on americans in libya to avenge the death of al libi"

on september 14, aqap "released a statement arguing the attack was revenge for the death of abu yahya al libi, a senior al qaeda operative, in pakistan in june 2012," notes cnn

in other words, it wasn't a video, it was a drone

Sources: 3 al Qaeda operatives took part in Benghazi attack - CNN.com

coincidence?
No more of a coincidence than the protests in Cairo against the video just hours before the attack in Benghazi. Hicks was watching it on TV when Ambassador Stevens called to tell him the SMC was under attack....coincidence?

"...As the Intelligence Community collects and analyzes more information related to the attack, our understanding of the event continues to evolve. In the immediate aftermath, there was information that led us to assess that the attack began spontaneously following protests earlier that day at our embassy in Cairo. We provided that initial assessment to Executive Branch officials and members of Congress, who used that information to discuss the attack publicly and provide updates as they became available. Throughout our investigation we continued to emphasize that information gathered was preliminary and evolving...."

Furthermore, it was Muslim extremists that attacked the compound, not Al Qaeda....

"...As we learned more about the attack, we revised our initial assessment to reflect new information indicating that it was a deliberate and organized terrorist attack carried out by extremists. It remains unclear if any group or person exercised overall command and control of the attack, and if extremist group leaders directed their members to participate. However, we do assess that some of those involved were linked to groups affiliated with, or sympathetic to al-Qa'ida. We continue to make progress, but there remain many unanswered questions. As more information becomes available our analysis will continue to evolve and we will obtain a more complete understanding of the circumstances surrounding the terrorist attack....read..."
Statement by the Director of Public Affairs for ODNI, Shawn Turner, on the intelligence related to the terrorist attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya


why did ambassador rice duplicitously point to a video when even the sterilized talking points, scrubbed assiduously the nite before by state spokespeople on behalf of "building leadership," dared not charge that bridge so far?

The Benghazi Talking Points | The Weekly Standard
I don't think Rice was trying to cover anything up. She was given those talking points...so the person to ask might be Gen. Patraeus...who was head of CIA at the time. Unfortunately, his testimony was in private...BUT..... Rep. King said Patraeus contradicted himself during the private testimony from statements he had previously made....

"...He also stated that he thought all along he made it clear that there were significant terrorist involvement, and that is not my recollection of what he told us on September 14," King said....<snip>....

King said that unclassified talking points about the attack prepared by the CIA for use by lawmakers, and apparently relied on by Rice, originally pointed specifically to al Qaeda involvement, but were edited before being cleared for use.

"The original talking points were much more specific about al Qaeda involvement. And the final ones just said, ‘indications of extremists,'" King said.

He quoted Petraeus as saying that officials did not realize the significance of the change at the time, "and that for an unclassified statement, this was acceptable."

'BLAME IT ON US' .....read....."

In Benghazi testimony, Petraeus says al Qaeda role known early | Reuters


why was ambassador hicks directed NOT to talk to congressman chaffetz in libya?
Because Chaffetz is a political hack and not interested in the truth. One minute he's praising the ARB report because it agreed with his agenda and then the next minute he's condeming it because it didn't and then the next minute he's praising it again......

Watch A GOP Rep Change His Position On Libya Review Three Times In 10 Seconds | ThinkProgress .

and why in this white house must expediency always trump national interest, security and the truth?
I dunno, why did Romney verbally assault the United States just hours after the attack and before all the information was in? Kinda makes you wonder who our real enemies are?

the e-warriors are back at it:

Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference - ABC News

seeya at the committee, comrades bring a sofabed, it's gonna be a while
lol Funny you should say that because Chaffetz does sleep on a sofabed in his office...mainly because he's too cheap to rent an apartment.

Here's a good time line for the aftermath of Benghazi.....

UPDATED: What Everyone Should Know About The Benghazi Attack | ThinkProgress

The political hacks on FoxNews didn't waste anytime spewing out the misinformation, did they?
 
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they said they wanted to testify at the oversight committee hearings too, but Issa won't let them

LOL!

Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa noted at the beginning of the hearing that Accountability Review Board co-chairman Pickering and Mullen refused to testify to the committee or even informally talk to it.

“On February 22nd, this committee wrote to Ambassador Pickering and Admiral Mullen, who, as required by law, were appointed by Secretary Clinton and co-chair the accountability review board investigation,” said Chairman Issa. “We asked them to testify about their investigation and findings. They refused, and our minority said nothing.

“When we asked Ambassador Pickering and Admiral Mullen to speak with us and our committee informally,” said Issa, “they again refused, and again there was silence by the minority.”

link above

The political hacks on FoxNews

THE TWILIGHT ZONE THEME - YouTube

not a single appearance by ed henry or jon scott on this entire well documented thread

there's quite a bit of cnn, however

abc, cbs, nyt, wapo, politico, the beast (tina brown), youtube, bloomberg, the ex, cns, natl jrn (ron fournier)...

how could you miss em, they're LINKED
 
LOL!



link above



THE TWILIGHT ZONE THEME - YouTube

not a single appearance by ed henry or jon scott on this entire well documented thread

there's quite a bit of cnn, however

abc, cbs, nyt, wapo, politico, the beast (tina brown), youtube, bloomberg, the ex, cns, natl jrn (ron fournier)...

how could you miss em, they're LINKED

I knew you were incapable of having an intelligent discussion when I saw you didn't know how to use capital letters...and I must say, you didn't prove me wrong.
 
I knew you were incapable of having an intelligent discussion when I saw you didn't know how to use capital letters...and I must say, you didn't prove me wrong.
I don't mind sloppy use of lowercase nearly so much as I mind silly personal attacks hoping to substitute for on-thread opinion.
 
I don't mind sloppy use of lowercase nearly so much as I mind silly personal attacks hoping to substitute for on-thread opinion.

Since I've contributed a lot more opinion on this thread than you maybe you should watch your own use of personal attacks, nota bene.



Just out of curiosity....did you used to call yourself Lumina on another forum?
 
according to gregory hicks, #2 in libya to chris stevens, the reason the ambassador was in benghazi on 9-11 in the first place is because . . .


The crazy rightwing conspiracy thickens.
 
those crazy wingnuts:

mark mardell, editor of bbc's north american office

There's new evidence, obtained by ABC, that the Obama administration did deliberately purge references to "terrorism" from accounts of the attack on the Benghazi diplomatic mission, which killed four people including the US ambassador to Libya.

There's little doubt in my mind that this will haunt Hillary Clinton if she decides to run for president, unless she executes some pretty fancy footwork.

State department spokesperson Victoria Nuland is directly implicated, and the fingerprints of senior White House aides Ben Rhodes and Jay Carney are there as well.

In the interests of full disclosure I have to say I have not in the past been persuaded that allegations of a cover-up were a big deal. It seemed to me a partisan attack based on very little.

I remember listening to reports from the BBC and others at the time that did suggest the attack in Benghazi was a spontaneous reaction to a rather puerile anti-Islamic video.

I understand President Barack Obama's careful use of the word "terrorism" when it actually means something, rather than as a knee-jerk description of any violence by foreigners against Americans, often in order to justify a "war on terror".

But the evidence is there in black and white, unless we doubt the documents obtained by ABC, which I don't.

The new documents contain two rationales for the changes in language. The first is that it would prejudice the FBI investigation.

Perhaps, but I am not at all persuaded.

The other reason given, old-fashioned butt-guarding, is more credible.

As Ms Nuland puts it, such a report "could be abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either?"

However you read the motives, the state department and apparently the White House did get the CIA to change its story.

This is now very serious, and I suspect heads will roll. The White House will be on the defensive for a while.

BBC News - After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

oh, yes, on the defensive

and unless someone in the chicago circle can come up with some game changing answers to at least a dozen serious questions before evil issa polishes his gavel...

don't look to elijah cummings---he actually LIKES hicks and thompson and nordstrom
 
ron fournier, former washington bureau chief, associated press, now editor of the elite national journal

Scrubbing the Truth from Benghazi - NationalJournal.com

“These changes don’t resolve all of my issues or those of my building’s leadership.” With that sentence, one in a series of emails and draft “talking points” leaked to Jonathan Karl of ABC News, the Obama administration was caught playing politics with Benghazi.

Summaries of White House and State Department emails -- some of which were first published by Stephen F. Hayes of the Weekly Standard -- also contradict the White House version of events that led to U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice misleading the public about the cause of the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on the U.S. installation in Libya.

It would be naïve to expect any White House to ignore the political implications of a foreign policy crisis occurring two months before a presidential election. But there is a reason why no White House admits to finessing a tragedy: It's unseemly. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland injected politics into the U.S. response to Benghazi when she raised objections to draft “talking points” being prepared for Rice’s television appearances.

The paragraph was deleted. The truth was scrubbed.

Nuland still had concerns. “These changes don’t resolve all of my issues or those of my buildings (sic) leadership,” she wrote.

An administration official familiar with Nuland's thinking said she was worried that the CIA was trying to exonerate itself at the expense of the State Department by suggesting that security warnings were ignored.

But regardless of Nuland's motive, this is now clear: The Obama administration let political considerations cloud the public record. For far too long, the White House shied away from calling Benghazi a terrorist attack and stood behind Rice’s initial statement that it was inspired by protests over a crude anti-Islamic video.

The White House has long maintained that the talking points were drafted almost exclusively by the CIA, a claim that gave cover to both President Obama and his potential successor, Clinton. “Those talking points originated from the intelligence community,” White House spokesman Jay Carney said in November, adding that the only editing by the White House or the State Department was to change the word "consulate" to "diplomatic facility." The emails prove him wrong.

Significant edits to the talking points were discussed at the White House [italics fournier's] the day before Rice's appearance on five Sunday shows, said the official familiar with Nuland's thinking, who added that she did not attend the meeting.

Throw Hillary under the bus? In a statement to ABC, Carney notably insulates the West Wing and not the State Department by saying “the only edits made by anyone here at the White House were stylistic and nonsubstantive.”

And, with no apparent regard to hypocrisy, Carney criticized the GOP for attempting to “politicize the talking points.”

Drip, drip, drip: There is almost certainly more to come. While Karl and Hayes did not disclose their sources, a hallmark of congressional investigations is to leak selected evidence to embarrass the sitting administration. It’s a safe bet that these emails, produced voluntarily for Congress by the State Department, were summarized and leaked by Republicans. The Obama White House might want to borrow a page from the scandal-ridden Clinton playbook: Release all Benghazi documents at a time and manner of their choosing, before the GOP does so.

boehner yesterday:

Boehner calls for White House to release Benghazi emails – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

all you have is your opinion which is no more value than a million other mouths

and if you don't read the news---all of it---you really can't know what's going on, you can't compete with those who do

you think you're smart enough to argue with people far more informed than you, and you're not

indeed, because you're so woefully under-read, you're astonishingly stupid

right wing crazies---the same day the american broadcasting corporation, abc, blows off the roof

either way, party on

be proud, represent

seeya at the hearings, they're gonna go on forever

aren't tinfoil hats funny?
 
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