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Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edited)

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Yes, I do admit to derailing. I generally don't and usually try to refrain, but the hypocrisy and feigned outrage needed a bit of levelling, IMO.

If the accusations have any merits, then people should be outraged. The idea that there shouldn't be, because of your views on the Iraq fiasco (which are partisan at best) is rather moronic
 
Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

I read the link. The problem is that Media Matters is manned by a bunch of idiots and you listen to them.

The flight that was negotiated was scheduled for 6:00am, the Second team did not get on the plane because they were ordered not to. So this order came down some time before 6:00am. On the ground in Benghazi an evacuation didn't even begin until 6:05am, meaning the order to stand down came while there were still people under attack in the annex.

What We need to know is what was the President doing to try and secure a flight to Benghazi, a why he didn't simply order the rescue mission proceed without authorization. First shots were fired 7 hours before the order to stand down, and the second assault was under way when the order was given. There is no viable excuse for this delay when it is clear from testimony that, contrary to the Administration's testimony, there were indeed military assets within 45 minutes of Benghazi that were never used.

The military doesn't operate on a train schedule. Just because the Libyan government dragged it's ass for 7 hours while our consulate was under attack didn't mean we needed to. Obama certainly didn't show any qualms about military action without authorization in Pakistan... so why the hell did he drag his feet for 7 hours during the Benghazi attack?
I have no idea why the order to stand down was given, however isn't true the ambassador and the three were already dead by that time?
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

The special forces were in tripoli to review embassy security, they were not equipped for frontline combat.



There were other special forces teams in Europe but by the time they were getting ready it was already too late.





Official: US Special Forces team wasn't allowed to fly to Benghazi during attack - Open Channel
If this is true, then Republicans are barking up the wrong tree. I think this is all much ado about nothing, anyway. The most that is going to come out of these hearings is that it is probably going to be shown that the administration doctored the talking points as an election year stunt and everyone pretty much knows that already.
 
Re: an't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edited)

If the accusations have any merits, then people should be outraged. The idea that there shouldn't be, because of your views on the Iraq fiasco (which are partisan at best) is rather moronic

And I have pointed out that they are only doing it because there's a Democrat in office. If say, McCain would have won in 2008, and the same happened, I have little doubt that many here and Fox News would be dead silent about it.

As for my views on Iraq, they are not based on partisanship. They are based-on common sense, facts and reality.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

What is different about this hearing then the 8 previous ones?

mr thompson, mr hicks, mr nordstrom...

the email chain in the possession of evil darrell issa...

where ya been?
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

And I have pointed out that they are
only doing it because there's a Democrat in office. If say, McCain would have won in 2008, and the same happened, I have little doubt that many here and Fox News would be dead silent about it.

As for my views on Iraq, they are not based on partisanship. They are based-on common sense, facts and reality.

Your the people that put those Democrats in office. The Democrats that FIRST went into Libya without Congressional approval.

We warned the useful idiots and the low information voters that the people they were putting into power were unqualified and dishonest.

So kindly quit blaming this on Bush and the people who think someone should be held accountable for these lies and these deaths.

So far NO ONE HAS ( not even the terrorist. )
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

There have been eight inquiries into
this. This is the 9th. What is different about this hearing then the 8 previous ones?

All with people trying to cover their asses. Hillary is such a scum bag lying bitch. Scum of the f***in earth.

She told a guy who's son had died by the hands of a terrorist that she " was going to get the guy who made that you tube video "

How about we hear from a couple of whistleblowers ?
 
Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(ed

Thats just a desperate and dishonest attempt, and CHILDISH attempt to divert attention away from Benghazzi.

PLUS, the Democrats voted to go to war PLUS many Democrats prior to 9/11 made public statements alluding to the presensce of WMDs

How bout we focus on May 7, 2013.

Odd. The childish thing is to equate invading a country with Pelosi's statements on WMD.

But do go on.
 
Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

Context is an interesting thing, ain't it? Amazing how people can be easily fooled.

The fact proven with those quotes is that many Democrats thought there were WMD's. That, of course, combined with the fact that 111 Democrats voted to go into Iraq, completely belies the left's attempt to make this Bush's Daddy's War.
 
Re: an't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edited)

And I have pointed out that they are only doing it because there's a Democrat in office. If say, McCain would have won in 2008, and the same happened, I have little doubt that many here and Fox News would be dead silent about it.

And I'm sure you wouldn't be going to such great lengths to shift focus on it if a republican was in office. See, that's the irony here. You're complaining about something as you do exactly the same

As for my views on Iraq, they are not based on partisanship. They are based-on common sense, facts and reality.

That's what all partisans claim
 
Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(ed

I love how everyone is so excited to hear whitleblowers, when they don't know if they have whistles, or if they would recognize the whistling sound of they heard it.

I've never seen a cover up without a known thing someone is covering for, or a whistleblower who no one knows if a foul was committed. It's a circus.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

Odd. The childish thing is to equate invading a country with Pelosi's
statements on WMD.

But do go on.

LOL !! Went right over your head didn' t it ? Well I suppose your a Democrat for a reason.

Pelosi's quote is just one of MANY Democrat quotes that compleltly undermines the BS narrative that " Bush Lied " .

Democrats lie, as Benghazzi is proof of that and people died. Bush was backed by a Democrat Congress BTW.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

I love how everyone is so excited to hear whitleblowers, when they don't
know if they have whistles, or if they would recognize the whistling sound of they heard it.

I've never seen a cover up without a known thing someone is covering for, or a whistleblower who no one knows if a foul was committed. It's a circus.

Only to those who would trade the lives of four Americans for political expediancy.
 
Re: an't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edited)

And I'm sure you wouldn't be going to such great lengths to shift focus on it if a republican was in office. See, that's the irony here. You're complaining about something as you do exactly the same



That's what all partisans claim

Once Watergate was successful in driving Nixon from office. Each party has used every little indiscretion or some event that went wrong to make it into another Watergate to overturn the ballot box results. Both Republicans and Democrats do this. There is a good book "Silent Coup," about how Nixon was driven from office. It worked, the party out of power has been trying to duplicate the results ever since.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

Thats pathetic.

Our embassy had been attacked prior to the 9/11 terrorist attack, with holes blown in the Embassy Compound walls.

Other Western Nations had removed their people because of terrorist attacks on their embassy personel.

And that was the best we had to offer by way of Special Ops or ANY back-up ? After the Ambassador Stevens asked MULTIPLE times for extra security ?

The United States, the strongest Military in the world could only send in two teams with hand guns ? With one being told to STAND DOWN ?

What kind of desperately inept, idiotic people did you people elect ??

Obama and Hillary left that place wide open. Were directly responsible for the deaths of Stevens and the 3 others and when the inevitable happened , they had some WH staffer or State Dept Staffer dig up some video that NO ONE had ever seen ( Until a Complicit News Media Publicized it ) so they could build the Corrupt Narrative. The new protest spreading accross the Islamic world was to their advantage as it strengthened the lie,.......that it was all because of a video.

Do you get it now ? Why its really important to elect someone who's QUALIFIED ?

The special forces in tripoli were there to reveiw the security at the embasseys. They were not there to provide security.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

mr thompson, mr hicks, mr nordstrom...

the email chain in the possession of evil darrell issa...

where ya been?

One of them has already been questioned at a hearing.

And Issa will not have the hearing all to himself, there is his democratic counterpart Elijah Cummings.
 
Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

The fact proven with those quotes is that many Democrats thought there were WMD's. That, of course, combined with the fact that 111 Democrats voted to go into Iraq, completely belies the left's attempt to make this Bush's Daddy's War.

When you are given the wrong information, of course wrong conclusions are inevitable. If we lived in a world were we only got our news from Fox, heck, I--a lefty--would not be able to see past the propaganda.

And, as far as the quotes, again, they were taken out of context. But even if they were not, and all of those Democrats truly did believe there were WMDs, it was not enough to start a war and spend billion of taxpayer's money. In fact, Clinton was happy to oblige the UN and the Inspection who were--in fact!--doing their jobs.

People here seem to conviently forget the sense of urgency that the Bush Administration pushed.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

The special forces in tripoli were there to reveiw the security at the
embasseys. They were not there to provide security.

Yea, thats the point.

No back-up, no security, no plans to address the embassy attack AFTER a attack had already taken place.

No alternatives after the Embassy personel had repeatedly asked for help and had been ignored.

Again,what kind of lying unqualified low lifes did you people elect ?
 
Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

When you are given the wrong information, of course wrong conclusions are inevitable. If we lived in a world were we only got our news from Fox, heck, I--a lefty--would not be able to see past the propaganda.

And, as far as the quotes, again, they were taken out of context. But even if they were not, and all of those Democrats truly did believe there were WMDs, it was not enough to start a war and spend billion of taxpayer's money. In fact, Clinton was happy to oblige the UN and the Inspection who were--in fact!--doing their jobs.

People here seem to conviently forget the sense of urgency that the Bush Administration pushed.

And let us not forget that many democrats now regret voting to authorize that war. Somthing very few republicans are openly willing to admit.
 
Re: an't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edited)

And I'm sure you wouldn't be going to such great lengths to shift focus on it if a republican was in office. See, that's the irony here. You're complaining about something as you do exactly the same



That's what all partisans claim


Again, I ask... you think I'm a Democat? Or, even better, you think I am not without criticism of Obama? I do admit to leaning left, though.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

When you are given the wrong information, of course wrong
conclusions are inevitable. If we lived in a world were we only got our news from Fox, heck, I--a lefty--would not be able to see past the propaganda.

And, as far as the quotes, again, they were taken out of context. But even if they were not, and all of those Democrats truly did believe there were WMDs, it was not enough to start a war and spend billion of taxpayer's money. In fact, Clinton was happy to oblige the UN and the Inspection who were--in fact!--doing their jobs.

People here seem to conviently forget the sense of urgency that the Bush Administration pushed.

LOL !!!

Your'e desperate man. How pathetic, your'e changing your tune. Just admit your'e WRONG and were sucseptable to left wing BULL SH**.

Look at the dates on those quotes.
 
Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

And let us not forget that many democrats now regret voting to authorize that war. Somthing very few republicans are openly willing to admit.

They got suckered into it, like many others waving the American flag. Even the media missed the boat... apart from the 2 reporters from Knight Ridder.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

Yea, thats the point.

No back-up, no security, no plans to address the embassy attack AFTER a attack had already taken place.

No alternatives after the Embassy personel had repeatedly asked for help and had been ignored.

Again,what kind of lying unqualified low lifes did you people elect ?

You keep forgetting that embassy security funding had been reduced by congress in its attempt to cut wasteful spending.

The embassy's were doing what they could with what they had.

If you wanted the embassy's security to be ironclad, you would need to be willing to provide a blank check.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

And let us not forget that many democrats now regret voting to
authorize that war. Somthing very few republicans are openly willing to admit.

This thread is about BENGHAZI.
 
Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

So here's my problem with the whole Benghazi meme:

There have been dozens of different accusations made against the Administration since the moment this event was happening in real time.

The only accusations with any shred of truth are how the event was characterized.

Nothing anyone has accused the administration of indicates that any positive action would have had any likelihood of saving lives.

Monday morning quarterbacking is all fine and good, and it always possible to say that if different decisions were made a different outcome would have transpired. But if one is looking to assign actual culpability, malfeasance, or negligence, one would have to PROVE that not only were standard decision protocols not followed, but that the failure to follow them resulted in these deaths.

Too much of this meme is based on hatred of Obama and/or a desire to see a powerful political opponent crushed.

America does not want it's President to be guilty of causing American deaths, but Americans will accept evidence if he is.

The problem is that this meme is long on accusations but VERY short on any actual evidence that the administration did anything so wrong as to create culpability. Anything, and everything, less than that is just second guessing and political attacks.

These are very serious accusations that no American should WANT to be true much less be pushing them without evidence.

I know it "feels" right to people that hate Obama and they would be happy to find him guilty on general principal, but I would argue that this kind of nonsense hurts America more than it hurts Obama and people that are engaging in this witch hunt would wreck the country over political attacks. And the same people have done it before in the ten year witch hunt surrounding White Water, a land deal in which the Clinton's were ultimately the victims of fraud.
 
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