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Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edited)

There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

I wonder if that is the official strategy ?

Because I'm starting to see it more and more. Theyr'e third graders, trying to delfect and divert attention away from their lies and poor choices by pointing to Bush.

And it's a Bs narrative anyway, " Bush lied ".

Obama lied, J. Karney Lied, Hillary Lied.

Yeah. But only Bush drove us into a stupid war. That seems to be a real important distinction.
 
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Good golly, well that just proves everything! :roll:

The decision to go into Iraq was on false, made-up premises. The evidence is all there and not difficult to find out. You can choose to bury your head in the sand or seek the truth. If you choose to live off those quotes, then by golly, you chose to stay uninformed.

What I see in the thread is false outrage and I can't help but roll my eyes when so many Republicans are up in arms about Benghazi, but choose to remain silent when it comes to Iraq. The hypocracy is just too much for me.

The 9/11 report disagrees with you. This is all water under the bridge, there is no sense re-debating it. No coverup, no lying, no screwing with the intelligence was found. Even Hussein himself said he lied his ass off because he was more afraid of Iran than of us.
 
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Yeah. But only Bush drove us into a stupid war. That seems to be a real important distinction.

I guess since Benghazi is a loser for your side, you want to talk about Iraq. Well that's a loser too, because the 9/11 report says so. End of story.
 
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Good golly, well that just proves everything! :roll:

The decision to go into Iraq was on false, made-up premises. The evidence is all there and not difficult to find out. You can choose to bury your head in the sand or seek the truth. If you choose to live off those quotes, then by golly, you chose to stay uninformed.

What I see in the thread is false outrage and I can't help but roll my eyes when so many Republicans are up in arms about Benghazi, but choose to remain silent when it comes to Iraq. The hypocracy is just too much for me.

So your theory is, if the accusations are all true, the Obama administration would be justified in their actions because of what you think of the Bush White house?
 
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Of course, you only how outrage for what suits you politically as well an are silent when it comes to Benghazi, instead changing the subject and not saying one word on the actual topic....but I guess your own hypocrisy is irrelevant to your condemnation of hypocrisy.

The big difference is that when it comes to Benghazi, the Obama Administration didn't intentionally send their people to die or get hurt. They -- it seems -- mostly ****ed up, but they didn't push an agenda now, did they?
 
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No, what you see in THIS thread are people who ARE NOT sycophantic supporters of a corrupt Administration and it's ideology.

The people here ( the ones who want answers for Benghazi of course ) realize that Obama and Hillary and essentially every Democrat in office now are so lacking in character and integrity, so lacking in humanity that they would LIE to cover up the real reasons 4 Americans died including our Ambasador, just because it was politically expediant.

They were such SCUM, they would lie to the FAMILIES of those killed in Benghazzi. Hillary lied to the face of the dead Seals father telling him " they were going to get the guy responsible for making that you tube video ".

I realize people like you are irritated those people had to die that close to the election, and your going to do whatever you can to mitigate Obama's and Hillary's obvious dishonesty by bringing up irrelevent nonsense. ( I showed you just 3 of the 20 or so quotes showing Democrats KNEW he had WMDs prior to Bush's first term, you know, to crush the stupid " Bush lied people died " narrative you people push )

Just because you don't mind being lied to doesn't mean I like being lied to and you should start your own thread about " Bush's false pretenses " and quit trying to apologize for Obama's dishonesty.

If you think I'm an Obama apologist, you're barking up the wrong tree.
 
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UN weapons inspectors headed by Hans Blix was in country and he w anted more time, however President Bush refused.

One the Pelosi quote in 1998:


On 16 December 1998, Nancy Pelosi, a Congressional representative from California and a member of the House Intelligence Committee, issued a statement concerning aU.S.-led military strike against Iraq:
As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.


The responsibility of the United States in this conflict is to eliminate weapons of mass destruction, to minimize the danger to our troops and to diminish the suffering of the Iraqi people. The citizens of Iraq have suffered the most for Saddam Hussein's activities; sadly, those same citizens now stand to suffer more. I have supported efforts to ease the humanitarian situation in Iraq and my thoughts and prayers are with the innocent Iraqi civilians, as well as with the families of U.S. troops participating in the current action.


I believe in negotiated solutions to international conflict. This is, unfortunately, not going to be the case in this situation where Saddam Hussein has been a repeat offender, ignoring the international community's requirement that he come clean with his weapons program. While I support the President, I hope and pray that this conflict can be resolved quickly and that the international community can find a lasting solution through diplomatic means.

(In this statement Rep. Pelosi was not urging that action be taken against Iraq in order to destroy its WMD technology; she was expressing support for attacks that had already begun with that purpose as their stated objective.)

Context is an interesting thing, ain't it? Amazing how people can be easily fooled.
 
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So your theory is, if the accusations are all true, the Obama administration would be justified in their actions because of what you think of the Bush White house?


No, I'm pointing out the incredible hypocratical arrogance of getting all huffy about Benghazi all the while being in complete denial about Iraq. After ten years the smoke screen is pretty clear, don't you think? And if anyone does not think it was a complete and total **** up, then they are void of thinking critically.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

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The only spec ops team nearby was in tripoli at the time, and they were
not properly armed for combat since the only weapons they had were their 9 mm hand guns.

What good would they have done againist the heavily armed opposition they would have encountered in Benghazi?

Also there was the fact that the situation on the ground was still uncertain and there were concerns that the embassy in tripoli could have been targeted next.

Special Ops only armed with hand guns ?

Who's BS account are you defering to ?

They were dispatched to Tripoli, a "Special Ops" unit with just hand guns ?

Not to mention the whistleblower stating that aircraft alone overhead would have scattered the terrorist.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

Yeah. But only Bush drove us into a stupid war. That seems to be a real important distinction.

Thats just a desperate and dishonest attempt, and CHILDISH attempt to divert attention away from Benghazzi.

PLUS, the Democrats voted to go to war PLUS many Democrats prior to 9/11 made public statements alluding to the presensce of WMDs

How bout we focus on May 7, 2013.
 
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Thats just a desperate and dishonest attempt, and CHILDISH attempt to divert attention away from Benghazzi.

PLUS, the Democrats voted to go to war PLUS many Democrats prior to 9/11 made public statements alluding to the presensce of WMDs

How bout we focus on May 7, 2013.


I thought the whole point of the thread was to focus on September 11, 2012.
 
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No, I'm pointing out the incredible hypocratical arrogance of getting all huffy about Benghazi all the while being in complete denial about Iraq.

aren't you doing the exact same thing here, with the one caveat being that you are trying to shift attention away from an ongoing investigation, by going "look over there"?
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

I thought the whole point of the thread
was to focus on September 11, 2012.

Thats a bit difficult when you guys come on here and deliberately try to divert attention away from Benghazi.

I was telling him to focus on the discussion that we are having on May 7, 2013 in the Thread about Benghazzi.
 
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Why This All Still Really Does Make a Difference:

Many will argue that Benghazi is “old news”, little more than a political Republican gotcha game. They will attribute further investigations and commentary to sour grapes attempts to “get back at” the president and Democrats following an election which proved that Benghazi didn’t matter to voters, or to undermine a predictable Hillary bid to replace him in 2016. They will say that it’s time to move on … quit wasting time trying to fix something that can’t be changed…drop the whole thing. They will claim that the military could have done nothing to stop it even if they had been ordered to intervene. As for all the lies and cover-ups, they’re to be dismissed as insignificant misunderstandings.

The mainstream media will agree, demonstrating through reporting avoidance and affirmation that none of this is important to them either. It never was. Not when it comes to “their team”.

But for some, it does matter, and perhaps less because mistakes were made, and more because after being shrouded in blatant public deceptions, the same mindsets underlying those misjudgments and misrepresentations continue. As with Benghazi, the Obama administration was unwilling to attribute the bombings which killed and maimed innocent Boston Marathon attendees to radical Islamic terrorists. Meanwhile, Benghazi eyewitnesses are sequestered to avoid congressional inquiries into causes and responses, while killers which the president pledged to bring to justice roam free.

The morning after the consulate attack, President Obama vowed: “Make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring justice to the killers who attack our people.” And as Charles Woods recalled when his son’s body arrived at Andrews Air Force Base, Hillary told him first of all that she was sorry…and then, that: “We will make sure the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted.”

Unfortunately, the only one that was brought to “justice” is Mark Basseley Youssef, the designated scapegoat who created the offensive “Innocence of Muslims” video. He was arrested and jailed on an “unrelated probation violation” right after the attack.

Remarkably, Ali Ani al-Harzi, a leading suspect in the attack believed to be a brother of Tariq Abu Ammar, a mid-level al-Qaida planner in Iraq, doesn’t appear to be very worried. He has reportedly been seen in a crowded luxury hotel sipping strawberry frappes with an alleged fellow suspect and ringleader, Ahmed Abu Khattala, seemingly oblivious to any fear of capture by U.S. and Libyan governments. After all, with the Obama administration in denial about an Islamist jihad threat, and the White House and State Department now moving on to other matters, why should he care?

No, it’s the rest of us that should really be concerned. It should matter a great deal when we cannot trust the priorities, honesty or competence of those who hold top government offices, or media acolytes that pitch and cover for them. We should be angered when willful, avoidable, unexplained failures to defend those who serve our country cause them to die. And yes again, Hillary, we should care because transparent investigations and disclosures of such events can provide lessons which truly do make a difference.....snip~

More Evidence Of Deadly Benghazi Screw-Up Found Under Oval Office Rug - Forbes

;)
 
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aren't you doing the exact same thing here, with the one caveat being that you are trying to shift attention away from an ongoing investigation, by going "look over there"?

Yes, I do admit to derailing. I generally don't and usually try to refrain, but the hypocrisy and feigned outrage needed a bit of levelling, IMO.
 
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I asked in another thread, but I'm hoping for an answer -- If he knew it was dangerous days ahead of time, why was the Ambassador in Benghazi instead of at the Embassy in Tripoli?
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

Special Ops only armed with hand guns ?

Who's BS account are you defering to ?

They were dispatched to Tripoli, a "Special Ops" unit with just hand guns ?

Not to mention the whistleblower stating that aircraft alone overhead would have scattered the terrorist.

The special forces were in tripoli to review embassy security, they were not equipped for frontline combat.

U.S. military officials confirmed late Monday that a four-man Special Operations Forces team was denied permission to leave the US Embassy in Tripoli following reports that the consulate in Benghazi had been attacked.
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the team was reviewing security at U.S. embassies throughout the Middle East and was not prepared for a combat assault mission, being armed with only 9mm sidearms.

They also noted that the situation at Benghazi remained unclear and there were concerns the Embassy in Tripoli also could become a target.

There were other special forces teams in Europe but by the time they were getting ready it was already too late.

Two separate U.S. Special Forces teams from elsewhere in Europe were ultimately authorized to respond to the attacks, but did not arrive at staging bases until the evening of Sept. 12, more than 12 hours after the fighting had ended.



Official: US Special Forces team wasn't allowed to fly to Benghazi during attack - Open Channel
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

Yes, I do admit to derailing. I generally don't and usually try to refrain, but
the hypocrisy and feigned outrage needed a bit of levelling, IMO.

The only hypocrisy is coming from you guys. Your Constructed narratives aside, we NOW have a President who is directly involved in a cover up for polilitical reasons.

In a cover up that involves 4 dead Americans.

Personally I think your trolling does your lot more harm than good. You are admitting that the best you have to offer up in this debate are the tactics of a 4 year old child.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

The only hypocrisy is coming from you guys. Your Constructed narratives aside, we NOW have a President who is directly involved in a cover up for polilitical reasons.

In a cover up that involves 4 dead Americans.

Personally I think your trolling does your lot more harm than good. You are admitting that the best you have to offer up in this debate are the tactics of a 4 year old child.

There have been eight inquiries into this. This is the 9th. What is different about this hearing then the 8 previous ones?
 
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I hope these hearings tomorrow don't turn into a soap box theater....Keep the questions direct, and demand answers....Forget the speech making.

I fear you are asking WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

The only hypocrisy is coming from you guys.

Who are "you guys?" My best guess is they are people unwilling to take a partisan side to push a political point. Thnak you for thinking I am one of them.

Your Constructed narratives aside, we NOW have a President who is directly involved in a cover up for polilitical reasons.

Link please.

In a cover up that involves 4 dead Americans.

Any dead American is a bad thing, but I betcha the numbers from Iraq were much much higher. What are we at now... 4000?

Personally I think your trolling does your lot more harm than good. You are admitting that the best you have to offer up in this debate are the tactics of a 4 year old child.

Derailing is not trolling. Like I said before, I wanted to inject some perspective here... nothing more.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

The special forces were in tripoli to
review embassy security, they were
not equipped for frontline combat.



There were other special forces teams in Europe but by the time they were getting ready it was already too late.





Official: US Special Forces team wasn't allowed to fly to Benghazi during attack - Open Channel

Thats pathetic.

Our embassy had been attacked prior to the 9/11 terrorist attack, with holes blown in the Embassy Compound walls.

Other Western Nations had removed their people because of terrorist attacks on their embassy personel.

And that was the best we had to offer by way of Special Ops or ANY back-up ? After the Ambassador Stevens asked MULTIPLE times for extra security ?

The United States, the strongest Military in the world could only send in two teams with hand guns ? With one being told to STAND DOWN ?

What kind of desperately inept, idiotic people did you people elect ??

Obama and Hillary left that place wide open. Were directly responsible for the deaths of Stevens and the 3 others and when the inevitable happened , they had some WH staffer or State Dept Staffer dig up some video that NO ONE had ever seen ( Until a Complicit News Media Publicized it ) so they could build the Corrupt Narrative. The new protest spreading accross the Islamic world was to their advantage as it strengthened the lie,.......that it was all because of a video.

Do you get it now ? Why its really important to elect someone who's QUALIFIED ?
 
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I fear you are asking WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much.

A bunch of politicians not listening to themselves talk?

Yeah, he is expecting too much.
 
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