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Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edited)

Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

The jets in question were in a Italian airbase, and I believe they were f-16s,
not f-22s.
The issue is that there were no tanker aircraft to provide refueling for the fighters. They could not find a tanker aircraft.

Lets pretend what your'e saying here is true, given that everything thats come from the administration since Sept 12 has been a HUGE LIE.

Your'e admitting that after a attack on their compound that blew a hole in the wall of the embassy wall the Obama administration ignored their pleas for help and more security and didn't even make sure military assets were in the area.

Obama and Hillary lied, I dont know about you but I don't like being lied to. .

The whistleblowers testimony today proved that. Who told them to stand down ?
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

let me guess.

He said it was some kind of witch hunt ? His Sister got her Lib ass handed to her last night and Colbert is becoming more and more irrelevent.

It's so laughable that people actually think Colbert and Comedy Central are "credible sources" of news and information. How comically embarrassing.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

WTH is snopes.com?

What's stopping you from doing your own research ?
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

Lets pretend what your'e saying here is true, given that everything thats come from the administration since Sept 12 has been a HUGE LIE.

Your'e admitting that after a attack on their compound that blew a hole in the wall of the embassy wall the Obama administration ignored their pleas for help and more security and didn't even make sure military assets were in the area.

Obama and Hillary lied, I dont know about you but I don't like being lied to. .


The whistleblowers testimony today proved that. Who told them to stand down ?

For the sake of understanding the controversy around Benghazi can be seperated into four areas: before the attack, the first attack which killed the ambassador, the second attack that came forty five miniutes later which killed the two marines, and the aftermath.

The order to stand down, to my knowledge, came after the first attack had ended. The special forces team of four people were told to stay put in tripoli because the embassey there could have been targeted next.

And when should they have launched the jets? At the start of the first attack when no one had a clue what was going on?
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

There was no way a military fighter jet could have done a fly by over Benghazi. The closest ones were based in Italy and it would have taken hours to arm the planes, launch them, and fly to the crisis point. Add to that is the problem of having no refueling tanker to refuel the fighters.

By the time the jets would have arrived the attack was already over.

Let's look at what you said and what you suggested. Firstly you suggest by your last sentence that "they" knew in advance how long the attack would last and, therefore, they knew in advance that they couldn't get there in time? Is that right? I wonder how they knew that. Then you suggest that our Air Force would operate a fighter air base that didn't have tankers. Fighters are tactical weapons. They need to respond to emergencies quickly. they can't do that without tankers. Are you certain there are no tankers at Aviano Air Force Base just because somebody suggested there weren't? Why would they operate a fighter base without tankers? Why would an Air Force Base be unable to respond to a military crisis? It doesn't make sense. Have you asked this question or have you just swallowed what the political hacks fed you. The fact is they didn't try. They threw up their hands and gave up. You are supporting that. Why?
 
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Let's look at what you said and what you suggested. Firstly you suggest by your last sentence that "they" knew in advance how long the attack would last and, therefore, they knew in advance that they couldn't get there in time? Is that right? I wonder how they knew that. Then you suggest that our Air Force would operate a fighter air base that didn't have tankers. Fighters are tactical weapons. They need to respond to emergencies quickly. they can't do that without tankers. Are you certain there are no tankers at Aviano Air Force Base just because somebody suggested there weren't? Why would they operate a fighter base without tankers? Why would an Air Force Base be unable to respond to a military crisis? It doesn't make sense. Have you asked this question or have you just swallowed what the political hacks fed you. The fact is they didn't try. They threw up their hands and gave up. You are supporting that. Why?

Not to mention aircraft that are always on stand-by. Every base probably has aircraft that can take off within minutes, NOT HOURS.
 
Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(ed

It's so laughable that people actually think Colbert and Comedy Central are "credible sources" of news and information. How comically embarrassing.

They're only credible when they're ripping Fox a new one. And Colbert did it last night.
 
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Not to mention aircraft that are always on stand-by. Every base probably has
aircraft that can take off within minutes, NOT HOURS.

My oldest is in the Navy, and I try to "put him under the light" so to speak to get as much information as possible.

He's a good kid, and hasn't divulged anything he's not supppsed to, but I asked him about Benghazi and assets that were available he stated they could have gotten there in no time and the whole "there wasn't enough time" narrative is just part ofthe lie.

He made me laugh when he stated that the terrorist not only killed our ambassador they shut down all US local military assets and turned us into Canada.
 
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They're only credible when they're ripping Fox a new one. And Colbert did it last night.

A whole 300 people saw it too.
 
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There was no way a military fighter jet could have done a fly by over Benghazi. The closest ones were based in Italy and it would have taken hours to arm the planes, launch them, and fly to the crisis point. Add to that is the problem of having no refueling tanker to refuel the fighters.

By the time the jets would have arrived the attack was already over.

Shouldn't the question at that point be why not?
 
Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

Getting to the unvarnished truth here is going to be like herding cats.

That is an understatement. I'm basically ignoring the whole mess as there is so much partisan vomit on both sides it's going to be impossible for a while to get anything straight.
 
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That is an understatement. I'm basically ignoring the whole mess as there is so much partisan vomit on both sides it's going to be impossible for a while to get anything straight.

Isn't it handy, then, that we have people coming forward who aren't speaking for either party?
 
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That is an
understatement. I'm basically ignoring
the whole mess as there is so much partisan vomit on both sides it's going to be impossible for a while to get anything straight.

Your'e ignoring the "whole mess" because it's exceedingly obvious the Democrats are disgusting low-lifes who got caught trying to cover up the murder of 4 Americans.

They relied on their useful idiots to push the meme that it was " A CONSPIRACY !!" and they relied on a subjective complicit media to perpetuate the protest lie.

So, you either want the truth or you sink to their level.
 
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It
doesn't prove there were WMD's. What it does prove is that the following Democrats thought they did: President Clinton; Madeline Albright; Clinton's National Security Advisor Sandy Berger; Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry and others in a letter to the President; Nancy Pelosi (bolded because you seem to think her hands are clean); Al Gore . . . hell, I could go on and on.

It's obvious you didn't even read them, for God's sake. Those who blame Bush and say he was fighting his daddy's war...that it was all about oil...are full of baloney.

I don't like Pelosi or Al Gore. When Bush against Al Gore, I wanted GWB to win. Since then, I have lost a lot of respect for the GOP and for Bush.


Iraq was his war, he fought and pushed hard for it. He led the call to war, and there were no WMDs. He should have made his decision to get a bunch of people killed more carefully, not to mention it put the country in debt and we are still trying to prop up the Iraqi government.


His principles were neo conservative, and I am not a neocon.
 
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You'll
get no argument from me. But. For those who say it was Bush's Daddy's War and Bush's War for Oil? They're full of ****.

I never argued that. What I am more concerned about is obvious neocon presence in the GOP today. And yeah, the democrats are know for going along with them. That is problem a IMO. That doesn't prove Bush was right. It just shows the neocons have power over both parties.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

The way the administration handled this whole thing reminds me of a scene from "Days of Thunder":

 
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I don't know. But I do know who said
these snips:


















Democrat Quotes on WMD

And all those comments were wrong or flawed. However, only Bush lead a call for invasion, and the result wasn't a simple asswiping, finding the weapons, and getting the hell out before spending trillions of dollars. Those quotes don't mean much at all to me. I think all the facts suggest Bush made an irrational decision and didn't acknowledge all the risks of invading and commiting to war, and his administration has been accused of intentionally misleading the nation on the existence of WMDs. There was no intelligence suggesting they existed as a fact, just suspicion.
 
Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

First time I've seen those quotes. Thanks for that.

Those are just a few...GTS it and see them ALL.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

And all those comments were wrong or flawed. However, only Bush lead a call for invasion, and the result wasn't a simple asswiping, finding the weapons, and getting the hell out before spending trillions of dollars. Those quotes don't mean much at all to me. I think all the facts suggest Bush made an irrational decision and didn't acknowledge all the risks of invading and commiting to war, and his administration has been accused of intentionally misleading the nation on the existence of WMDs. There was no intelligence suggesting they existed as a fact, just suspicion.

They don't mean anything to you because you have a closed mind. You can't see that both parties are to blame. That Clinton thought there were WMD's, Madeline Albright thought there were WMD's, Sandy Berger thought there were WMD's, Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry thought there were WMD's, Nancy Pelosi thought there were WMD's, Senator Bob Graham thought there were WMD's, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd, John Kerry, Jay Rockefeller, Henry Waxman, Hillary Clinton and countless other Democrats thought there were WMD's.

And further, when the rubber met the road, 111 Democrats voted to give Bush the authority to invade Iraq.

Nope. You, and others like you, hold firm to your completely baseless belief that President Bush acted autonomously and irrationally.

What a complete waste of political thought.
 
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Isn't it handy, then, that we have people coming forward who aren't speaking for either party?

But both sides are going to twist it.

See Fenton, He's 100% impeach Obama on this (which stems from his Absolute Democrat Hatred Syndrome)

Getting the absolute truth on this is going to be nearly impossible in the short term.
 
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Your'e ignoring the "whole mess" because it's exceedingly obvious the Democrats are disgusting low-lifes who got caught trying to cover up the murder of 4 Americans.

They relied on their useful idiots to push the meme that it was " A CONSPIRACY !!" and they relied on a subjective complicit media to perpetuate the protest lie.

So, you either want the truth or you sink to their level.

And this is exactly what Maggie was discussing.

We say it here, it comes out there.

Seriously, people are going to think I'm your puppet master if you keep doing this.
 
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But both sides are going to twist it.

See Fenton, He's 100% impeach Obama on this (which stems from his Absolute Democrat Hatred Syndrome)

Getting the absolute truth on this is going to be nearly impossible in the short term.

How does Fenton being a reactionary change witness testimony?
 
Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

But both sides are going to twist it.

See Fenton, He's 100% impeach Obama on this (which stems from his Absolute Democrat Hatred Syndrome)

Getting the absolute truth on this is going to be nearly impossible in the short term.

I don't see an impeachment movement out of this. You have to break the law, not make incredibly stupid and cowardly decisions, and we don't even know that Obama was the one that made the decision. Don't get me wrong, you'll get some who get upset and cry for it, but it's unrealistic so it goes nowhere.
 
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How does Fenton being a reactionary change witness testimony?

First, how do we know what that guy said is true and he had all the information?

Second, people like Fenton are going to automatically assume it's true and attack anything that contradicts it.

The mass "Impeach Obama" crowd on this isn't making it easier to actually get to the bottom.
 
Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

And all those comments were wrong or flawed. However, only Bush lead a call for invasion, and the result wasn't a simple asswiping, finding the weapons, and getting the hell out before spending trillions of dollars. Those quotes don't mean much at all to me. I think all the facts suggest Bush made an irrational decision and didn't acknowledge all the risks of invading and commiting to war, and his administration has been accused of intentionally misleading the nation on the existence of WMDs. There was no intelligence suggesting they existed as a fact, just suspicion.

That is not true. Even today, knowing what we know, it is incredibly hard if not impossible to build an honest assessment that Iraq did not have WMD's out of the information that we had at the time. Even Saddam thought he had WMD, it turned out. You can make the claim that we went to war on an intelligence failure.... and that would have partial truth (we went to war for more than just WMD's), but the claim of lies is unsupportable, just as the claim that Obama wanted Ambassador Stevens and his security team dead would be unsupportable.
 
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