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Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

Moot said:
Oh my, it didn't take long for you to expose what you're really full of, did it? I rest my case.
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Well, you and those like minded with you want to see G.W. Bush, and Dick Cheney cuffed and frog marched...I am just using your own language....
 
It really is pathetic to watch the mouth foamers come back out of the closet and cry foul when their own tactics are used against them....:cool:
 
j-mac said:
Oh come on, that's nonsense....What leads you to believe that the TP are violent in any way?
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They TALK about violent overthrow of th us government all the time. But they won't actually do anything. Occasional nutter might try something.
 
tererun said:
A guy who went out and committed crimes to try and mung things up for what he saw as an oppressive regime who was killing innocent people. Yup, it was illegal, and there are some similarities between him and terrorists who do the same thing even though he may have made effort to destroy unoccupied property. What do you do again? Oh yeah, you buy guns and do nothing. He may be a criminal, but he actually fought a fight. I will recognize the hypocrisy of a supposed pacifist fighting with violence, but isn't it the same hypocrisy of a supposed violent revolutionary who acts like a pacifist?

maybe you should do more because i think he has a job molding the minds of youth while you don't. Jealousy is a horrible thing.
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Fighting a fight is no automatic virtue. I prefer the fool who talks and does nothing to the maniac that plots and acts. All you're doing is giving credence to that bastard, which he ought not have.
 
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j-mac said:
It really is pathetic to watch the mouth foamers come back out of the closet and cry foul when their own tactics are used against them....:cool:
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Are you refering to Karl Rove?
 
Could I blow up Ayers house or classroom because I disagree with his politics if I warned him first?
 
Deuce said:
They TALK about violent overthrow of th us government all the time. But they won't actually do anything. Occasional nutter might try something.
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Proof.
 
you want to see G.W. Bush, and Dick Cheney cuffed and frog marched.
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We don't want to see anybody "frog marched" what ever the **** that is ... We want to see them convicted.
 
Moot said:
Thats debatable when you consider he helped to mislead the country into an illegal war and almost bankrupted the country. I suspect that Bush's advisor, John Bolton might have known that the Neocons plotting and planning would be illegal or he wouldn't have advised Bush not to sign the International Criminal Court treaty as soon as he took office.
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That would mean that Bush invaded Iraq, knowing that the intel was faulty. Um...got any evidence to suggest that???
 
apdst said:
Which war crimes would those be?

I love playing this game with the Libbos...LOL!!
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Spending $3T and costing 4000 lifes of American soldiers, plus killing tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians, while torturing suspects, all based on lies cooked up by Busha and Cheney is a game to you. Got it. It epitomized the moral bankruptcy of conservatism.
 
sangha said:
The Ho Chi Minh Trail wasn't in Cambodia, and tapes prove that Nixon ordered bombing in Cambodia in order to starve civilians, which is both a war crime, and terrorism
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You're wrong. The trail extended through Laos and Cambodia and the bombings began and were ordered by President JOHNSON first.
 
Buck Ewer said:
I am 62 and I remember it all quite well. Johnson bombed the supply trail within Vietnam and just over the boarder and was careful to do so with small sorties . Nixon's incursions into Cambodia and Laos with B52 carpet bombings were only learned about well after the fact. He did it secretly with the intention of killing and starving millions of civilians.. Both were in violation of constitutional and international law.
You are saying that any president has the power within his office to decide to carpet bomb any sovereign country without approval of congress?
You need to educate yourself on constitutional powers.
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Good for you, we're the same age. Perhaps the difference is that I actually served in DaNang, and you? And yes, the POTUS did indeed have the authority to bomb supply lines. Funny how you exempt Johnson from your indictment - if it was an unconstitutional or unauthorized action, Johnson is on the hook as well. The difference between the two - Johnson committed more and more troops all throughout his terms, Nixon withdrew troops and closed down the conflict.

Nixon ramped up the bombing because activity on the trail was ramped up at the time.
 
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head of joaquin said:
Spending $3T and costing 4000 lifes of American soldiers, plus killing tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians, while torturing suspects, all based on lies cooked up by Busha and Cheney is a game to you. Got it. It epitomized the moral bankruptcy of conservatism.
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Is this the point where you post the actual evidence that Bush actually LIED about going into Iraq?
 
sangha said:
The Ho Chi Minh Trail wasn't in Cambodia, and tapes prove that Nixon ordered bombing in Cambodia in order to starve civilians, which is both a war crime, and terrorism
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You need to buy a map. Their all over the internet, for free.

Oh, look...here's one right here....you're welcome.

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Buck Ewer said:
I am 62 and I remember it all quite well. Johnson bombed the supply trail within Vietnam and just over the boarder and was careful to do so with small sorties . Nixon's incursions into Cambodia and Laos with B52 carpet bombings were only learned about well after the fact. He did it secretly with the intention of killing and starving millions of civilians.. Both were in violation of constitutional and international law.
You are saying that any president has the power within his office to decide to carpet bomb any sovereign country without approval of congress?
You need to educate yourself on constitutional powers.
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Your evidence that that was the objective, please? Thanks in advance.
 
Buck Ewer said:
No one was ever killed in a weather underground bombing.
If Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground shortened the Vietnam war by only one day or saved the life of only one American serviceman from being squandered they are my heroes.
I believe they did contribute to the shortening of the war and I believe that they saved many Americans by doing that.
The war criminal Nixon on the other hand, purposely sabotaged the Paris peace agreement with the Johnson administration so he could get his treasonous, republicon ass elected in 1968, continuing the war for four more long years and thus killing thousands of American troops and possibly millions of Southeast Asians.
Given the opportunity I would gladly **** on Nixon's treasonous grave.
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Were you asleep during that time? Johnson was just as hated by the anti-war crowd as Nixon. And if you had read Johnson's autobiography you'd know he didn't see a prayer of an end to the conflict before the end of his terms. He was still committing more troops when he left office. He lists it as his greatest regret that he could find no way to end that war.

Bill Ayers and the WU/SDS didn't do squat other than destroy property and scare the hell out of a lot of people.

Btw, Nixon was a Quaker, and where Johnson committed us to the war and pretty much made up the Gulf of Tonkin incident to get us there, Nixon withdrew troops from day one of his term and did his best to close down the war quickly and return as many of us safely as was possible (bombing the trail was part of that).

You really have no idea what you're talking about, you're just going with the tired repub/dem bias crap.
 
Moot said:
So by that definition then all those tea party militias, stocking up on guns and ammo, and preparing to fight against the tyrannical government and some already having commited crime and murder should be gassed for treason, too? Okay, if you say so.

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Those who committed action - yes. Though we as a society have seemed to settle with the long prison sentences, and in some cases the DP they were given by a court of law. Asshats like Ayers were given a pass because they managed to stay in hiding for long enough after their treasonous actions.
 
Bombing of Vietnam's dikes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nixon: We've got to quit thinking in terms of a three-day strike [in the Hanoi-Haiphong area]. We've got to be thinking in terms of an all-out bombing attack - which will continue until they - Now by all-out bombing attack, I am thinking about things that go far beyond. I'm thinking of the dikes, I'm thinking of the railroad, I'm thinking, of course, the docks.
Kissinger: I agree with you.
President Nixon: We've got to use massive force.
Two hours later at noon, H. R. Haldeman and Ron Ziegler joined Kissinger and Nixon:
President: How many did we kill in Laos?
Ziegler: Maybe ten thousand - fifteen?
Kissinger: In the Laotian thing, we killed about ten, fifteen.
President: See, the attack in the North that we have in mind, power plants, whatever's left - POL [petroleum], the docks. And, I still think we ought to take the dikes out now. Will that drown people?
Kissinger: About two hundred thousand people.
President: No, no, no, I'd rather use the nuclear bomb. Have you got that, Henry?
Kissinger: That, I think, would just be too much.
President: The nuclear bomb, does that bother you?...I just want you to think big, Henry, for Christsakes.
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apdst said:
Is this the point where you post the actual evidence that Bush actually LIED about going into Iraq?
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BWHAHAHHAHHA!

You probably still think they just haven't found Saddam's WDM yet. Conservatives and their delusions!

Meanwhile, I'm amazed that Bill Ayers is running for president again. Or at least the rightwing noise machine apparently thinks he is
 
head of joaquin said:
BWHAHAHHAHHA!

You probably still think they just haven't found Saddam's WDM yet. Conservatives and their delusions!

Meanwhile, I'm amazed that Bill Ayers is running for president again. Or at least the rightwing noise machine apparently thinks he is
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Perhaps you should reaquaint yourself with the thread OP. Nothing about him running for POTUS. It's about him trying to justify his past criminal actions. Guess he's still trying to wash away the stench. It's not working.
 
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