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Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

You're either young and have never heard of the Ho Chi Minh trail or you're old enough to know and are uneducated. There were very good reasons to bomb the supply routes for the VC.

And btw, if you bone up on your history you'll find the bombings of Laos and Cambodia began under Johnson. Google Operartion Menu.

The Ho Chi Minh Trail wasn't in Cambodia, and tapes prove that Nixon ordered bombing in Cambodia in order to starve civilians, which is both a war crime, and terrorism
 
The "illegal part of the Vietnam war was the "incursion" into Cambodia and Laos as commanded by President Nixon.
There was no authority do do so . No discussion or even knowledge in congress that the president was intending to overstep his office by waging war on other countries.
The only people in government who knew of this "incursion", where millions of tons of bombs were dropped on sovereign countries, were Nixon and the Joint Chiefs in the Pentagon.
These are the war crimes and illegal war maneuvers committed in our name under the banner of the Vietnam war.

Cambodia and Laos were giving sanctuary to the North Vietnamese. It was no more illeagal to invade them than it was to invade Holland during WW2.
 
What's funny is that the common distinction that those on the right are almost always sure to make is the distinction between violence that targets government/military vs. violence that targets civilians.

Why is this a right vs left thing? How much can the right and left agree on?

Do you regard it as immoral or illegal if the police have to violently subdue violent criminals?

Do you regard it as immoral or illegal if the United States wages war to defend itself from foreign aggression?

If there were Americans who disagreed with FDR's decision to send troops to the Pacific and Europe to what extent do you believe that they would have been justified in opposing those actions?

If Congress and the President legally, constitutionally commit the nation to war is it inappropriate to protest that if protests might undermine the military's efforts?

Do you think most other left of center people feel the same way?
 
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You're either young and have never heard of the Ho Chi Minh trail or you're old enough to know and are uneducated. There were very good reasons to bomb the supply routes for the VC.
I am 62 and I remember it all quite well. Johnson bombed the supply trail within Vietnam and just over the boarder and was careful to do so with small sorties . Nixon's incursions into Cambodia and Laos with B52 carpet bombings were only learned about well after the fact. He did it secretly with the intention of killing and starving millions of civilians.. Both were in violation of constitutional and international law.
You are saying that any president has the power within his office to decide to carpet bomb any sovereign country without approval of congress?
You need to educate yourself on constitutional powers.
 
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Come on, apdst...say it....treason against what?

They had a formal declaration of war against the United States.

"The "Flint War Council," was a series of meetings of the Weather Underground Organization and associates in Flint, Michigan, that took place from 27–31 December 1969.[60] During these meetings, the decisions were made for the Weather Underground Organization to go underground [22] and to "engage in guerilla warfare against the U.S. government."[61] This decision was made in response to increased pressure from law enforcement,[62] and a belief that underground guerilla warfare was the best way to combat the U.S. government.[61]"

Weather Underground - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aiding or involved by such an endeavor."

Treason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, treason....Bill Ayres is a traitor to this country that is responsible for the death of more than a couple of people.
 
No one was ever killed in a weather underground bombing.
If Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground shortened the Vietnam war by only one day or saved the life of only one American serviceman from being squandered they are my heroes.
I believe they did contribute to the shortening of the war and I believe that they saved many Americans by doing that.
The war criminal Nixon on the other hand, purposely sabotaged the Paris peace agreement with the Johnson administration so he could get his treasonous, republicon ass elected in 1968, continuing the war for four more long years and thus killing thousands of American troops and possibly millions of Southeast Asians.
Given the opportunity I would gladly **** on Nixon's treasonous grave.
 
The veitnam war was a controversial war and not everyone agreed with our involvement there.

Is it really neccesary to reopen old wounds of that era?

The Weatherman later known as the Weather Underground agenda had little to do with the Vietnam War. They were radical socialist who wanted a violent revolution and over throw the U.S. Government.

By the late 70's Ayers gave up on the idea of using terrorism to achieve his agenda, he decided to put his own kind in political office, Change government from with in.

That's where Barack Obama enters the picture.
 
>" Bill Ayers was born in December 1944 and was raised in a Chicago suburb. In the mid-1960s he taught at a radical alternative school -- part of the "free school movement" -- where students addressed teachers by their first names, and where no grades or report cards were given. By age 21, Ayers had become the director of that school. In 1968 he earned a B.A. in American Studies from the University of Michigan.

In the late Sixties, Ayers became a leader of the Weather Underground (WU), a splinter faction of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). Characterizing WU as “an American Red Army,” Ayers summed up the organization's ideology as follows: “Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, Kill your parents.” One of Ayers' fellow WU leaders was Bernardine Dohrn, the woman who would later become his wife.

In a July 29, 1969 speech which he delivered at the University of Oregon, Ayers boasted of SDS's role in the Venceremos Brigades, a project initiated by the Cuban intelligence agency to recruit and train American leftists as “brigadistas” capable of waging guerrilla warfare.

Ayers was an active participant in the 1969 “Days of Rage” riots in Chicago, which were led by WU's antecedent group, Weatherman. In the mayhem, nearly 300 members of the organization engaged in vandalism, arson, and vicious attacks against police and civilians alike. Their immediate objective was to spread their anti-war, anti-American message. Their long-term goal, however, was to cause the collapse of the United States and to create, in its stead, a new communist society over which they themselves would rule. With regard to those Americans who might refuse to embrace communism, Ayers and his comrades -- including Bernardine Dohrn, Mark Rudd, Linda Evans, Jeff Jones, and numerous others -- proposed that such resisters should be sent to reeducation camps and killed. The terrorists estimated that it would be necessary to eliminate some 25 million people in this fashion, so as to advance the revolution.

In his 2001 memoir Fugitive Days, Ayers recounts his life as a Sixties radical and boasts that he “participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972.” Of the day he bombed the Pentagon, Ayers writes, “Everything was absolutely ideal.... The sky was blue. The birds were singing. And the bastards were finally going to get what was coming to them.” He further recalls his fascination with the fact that "a good bomb" could render even "big buildings and wide streets ... fragile and destructible," leaving behind a "majestic scene" of utter destruction.

All told, Ayers and the Weather Underground were responsible for 30 bombings aimed at destroying the defense and security infrastructures of the U.S. "I don't regret setting bombs," said Ayers in 2001, "I feel we didn't do enough." Contemplating whether or not he might again use bombs against the U.S. sometime in the future, he wrote: “I can’t imagine entirely dismissing the possibility.”

In 1970, Ayers’ then-girlfriend Diana Oughton, along with Weatherman members Terry Robbins and Ted Gold, were killed when a bomb they were constructing exploded unexpectedly. That bomb had been intended for detonation at a dance that was to be attended by hundreds of Army soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Ayers himself attested that the bomb would have done serious damage, “tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people too.” Notably, Ayers' fingerprints were found at the bomb-making site, along with an assortment of anti-personnel weapons, stabbing implements, C-4 plastic explosive, and dozens of Marxist-Leninist publications.

After the death of his girlfriend, Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn spent the rest of the decade as fugitives running from the FBI. "<

There's more. -> Bill Ayers - Discover the Networks
 
They had a formal declaration of war against the United States.

"The "Flint War Council," was a series of meetings of the Weather Underground Organization and associates in Flint, Michigan, that took place from 27–31 December 1969.[60] During these meetings, the decisions were made for the Weather Underground Organization to go underground [22] and to "engage in guerilla warfare against the U.S. government."[61] This decision was made in response to increased pressure from law enforcement,[62] and a belief that underground guerilla warfare was the best way to combat the U.S. government.[61]"

Weather Underground - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aiding or involved by such an endeavor."

Treason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, treason....Bill Ayres is a traitor to this country that is responsible for the death of more than a couple of people.

So by that definition then all those tea party militias, stocking up on guns and ammo, and preparing to fight against the tyrannical government and some already having commited crime and murder should be gassed for treason, too? Okay, if you say so.

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/american_militias_delusional_racist_and_burgeoning
 
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The Weatherman later known as the Weather Underground agenda had little to do with the Vietnam War
OH REALLY???

For the bombing of the United States Capitol on March 1, 1971, they issued a communiqué saying it was "in protest of the U.S. invasion of Laos". For the bombing of the Pentagon on May 19, 1972, they stated it was "in retaliation for the U.S. bombing raid in Hanoi". For the January 29, 1975 bombing of the United States Department of State building, they stated it was "in response to escalation in Vietnam".
Weather Underground - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's where Barack Obama enters the picture.
In 1973 when the Weather Underground broke up, Barack Obama was a twelve year old boy in the seventh grade living in Honolulu.
You are delusional.
 
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The "illegal part of the Vietnam war was the "incursion" into Cambodia and Laos as commanded by President Nixon.
There was no authority do do so . No discussion or even knowledge in congress that the president was intending to overstep his office by waging war on other countries.
The only people in government who knew of this "incursion", where millions of tons of bombs were dropped on sovereign countries, were Nixon and the Joint Chiefs in the Pentagon.
These are the war crimes and illegal war maneuvers committed in our name under the banner of the Vietnam war.

You're not supposed to talk about this. You're supposed to believe that a handful of violent anti-war activists were responsible for the US losing the war and McCain losing the election to Obama and his swengali, Ayers. That's the tea party narrative and they're sticking with it.
 
You're either young and have never heard of the Ho Chi Minh trail or you're old enough to know and are uneducated. There were very good reasons to bomb the supply routes for the VC.

And btw, if you bone up on your history you'll find the bombings of Laos and Cambodia began under Johnson. Google Operartion Menu.

Still fighting the Vietnam War after all these years. It's perfect.

Nothing ever changes in bizarroconservativeworld.
 
The Weatherman later known as the Weather Underground agenda had little to do with the Vietnam War. They were radical socialist who wanted a violent revolution and over throw the U.S. Government.

By the late 70's Ayers gave up on the idea of using terrorism to achieve his agenda, he decided to put his own kind in political office, Change government from with in.

That's where Barack Obama enters the picture.

So all the pieces have now fallen into place and the Weather Underground, thanks to Obama, has triumphed.

It must suck being a conservatives and losing once again to Obama and his cadre of socialist agitators from the 1970s.

I hope the GOP and its tea party masters use this argument in the next election and hasten their rush to electoral irrelevancy
 
You're not supposed to talk about this. You're supposed to believe that a handful of violent anti-war activists were responsible for the US losing the war and McCain losing the election to Obama and his swengali, Ayers. That's the tea party narrative and they're sticking with it.

I understand that hoj, they live in an alternate universe where they write their own version of the history of the world.
They are largely delusional.
 
I understand that hoj, they live in an alternate universe where they write their own version of the history of the world.
They are largely delusional.

I like the one about how the US could have "won" the Vietnam War were it not for Jane Fonda and the traitors in the anti-war movement.

I recall a mustachioed German making a similar argument, mutatis mutandis, about WWI.
 
I like the one about how the US could have "won" the Vietnam War were it not for Jane Fonda and the traitors in the anti-war movement.
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I never heard that one before. Considering I was in Vietnam when the word came down for the 3rd Mar Div, pack it up your going back to the "Rock." Then the word came down to my unit, pack it up if your a short timer.

The withdraw from Vietnam started in late 1969 a few years before Hanoi Jane visited Hanoi. The word was we were not going to be allowed to finish the job. What we were told after whipping the NVA and VC during Tet of 68, the biggest military defeat in North Vietnam's history, when the light was finally seen at the end of the tunnel. But some liberal by the name of Cronkite reported to the American people that we were defeated during Tet and there was no light at the end of the tunnel. It seems at the time there were 500,000 Americans troops in RVN who disagreed with that pantywaist liberal.

But RMN would become our Cn'C and the word came down. We didn't like those orders but orders are orders.

But it was Gen. Giap who acknowledged that the anti war movement in America that encouraged him to continue fighting after his major defeat during the Tet Offensive of 68.

And you have to remember who's photos are proudly displayed on the walls of the Vietnamese Communist War Remnants Museum in Hanoi, Vietnam. No other than John Kerry and Jane Fonda (aka Hanoi Jane)

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But some liberal by the name of Cronkite reported to the American people that we were defeated during Tet and there was no light at the end of the tunnel.
Utter fantasy!

The war would have been over in 1968 if Nixon hadn't sabotaged the peace agreement with Hanoi in order to get elected. Johnson knew about what Tricky Dicky had done but he couldn't say anything. He found out about it because he was illegally wiretapping the Vietnam embassy.
That traitorous scum Nixon prolonged the war for another five long years just so he could advance his political career. If the war had ended under Johnson there is no way Nixon could have beaten Humphrey at the polls.
learn about it here;
LBJ Tapes Show Richard Nixon May Have Committed Treason By Sabotaging Vietnam Peace Talks

Know anybody killed in Vietnam killed between 1968 and 1973?
You can thank Dick Nixon for their deaths.
 
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[QUOTE
Oddly enough, the acts of the Boston bombers might be more legitimate than Ayer's bombings were if they were acting on behalf of a foreign power at war with the United States. As acts of war they are not, strictly speaking, criminal matters. If they are just a couple of nut cases who imagined themselves as acting on behalf of some cause without any real authority to do so, then it's a criminal matter, of course.[/QUOTE]

What if, hypothetically, the US invaded a country with the announced intention of overthrowing it's government. Would those who resisted the invasion be criminals?
 
So by that definition then all those tea party militias, stocking up on guns and ammo, and preparing to fight against the tyrannical government and some already having commited crime and murder should be gassed for treason, too? Okay, if you say so.

American Militias: Delusional, Racist and Burgeoning | AndrewHalcro.com

No.


And I think it shows a real lack of understanding of the 2nd amendment, or willing bastardization of same for you to assert that lawful gun ownership is on any sort of par with conspiring to declare war on the US government, and killing innocent civilians to further your cause.

Your analogy is a false one. The 2nd amendment, and the founders thinking as related in the federalist papers do not talk of overthrow of the government simply because you don't agree with an action they take, but rather the right of the people as a whole to remove and replace true tyranny as they should see fit. There are hurdles to that.

For instance, the Tea Party is community organization just the same as you on the left have done for decades, with issues like the ERA, or union protest. They are protesting the outright ignoring of constitutional boundaries and over taxation. A more apt comparison would be if during the Iraq war, if Code Pink started colluding to blow up police stations, and kill judges.

Now, if you want to say that certain militias, or fringe groups like white supremisists commit treason with their actions, or charters, that is possible, but it would be an interesting case to prove. I would love to watch it unfold. WU on the other hand had an ongoing, and truly frightening plot to not only overthrow the government, but change the country into a fractionalized communist entity where they opined that upwards of 20 million that couldn't be "re-educated" into the proper thinking, would have to be killed, as documented by an undercover FBI agent in the meetings.



So let's stop right here Moot, your defense of this human garbage, Bill Ayres. Unless you are a strong enough person to admit that you agree with his ideology, and find yourself in line with who the man is, which is a communist traitor to this country that opined to kill 25 million people simply because they would never agree to his mentally unhinged plan.

This man devises curriculum for our children. He should have been tried, and given the death penalty decades ago.
 
So by that definition then all those tea party militias, stocking up on guns and ammo, and preparing to fight against the tyrannical government and some already having commited crime and murder should be gassed for treason, too? Okay, if you say so.

American Militias: Delusional, Racist and Burgeoning | AndrewHalcro.com

No, when right-wingers fight the government they're fighting for freedom. So when the Tea Partiers try and play out their little revolution fantasy, it will be justified. Because they're fighting tyranny, you see!

(note: they wont actually do anything except bitch on facebook and internet forums)
 
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