Israel launches airstrike into Syria

I really don't care if isreal and Syria want to have a little spat. What I do care about is eventually Isreal will be coming to it's big brother USA when everyone around starts looking to pound her into the dirt for being a bitch. As long as we just wag our fingers at the people who retaliate on Isreal for her acts of war I am fine, but I don't feel like spending money the US doesn't have in isreal's war when isreal is about to get it's ass handed to it for ****ing with it's neighbors. We should hang them out to dry so they learn the US army is not theirs to manipulate into their defense. If anyone wants to actually go fight for the Isreali people i invite you to go to syria and fight, but don't send the army of the US to fight their battles for them.

tererun said:

I really don't care if isreal and Syria want to have a little spat. What I do care about is eventually Isreal will be coming to it's big brother USA when everyone around starts looking to pound her into the dirt for being a bitch. As long as we just wag our fingers at the people who retaliate on Isreal for her acts of war I am fine, but I don't feel like spending money the US doesn't have in isreal's war when isreal is about to get it's ass handed to it for ****ing with it's neighbors. We should hang them out to dry so they learn the US army is not theirs to manipulate into their defense. If anyone wants to actually go fight for the Isreali people i invite you to go to syria and fight, but don't send the army of the US to fight their battles for them.

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You do realize the strike has nothing to do with any conflict between Israel and Syria, right? Israel is striking terrorist and perhaps chemical targets, not Assad or his forces.

ecofarm said:

isrealeconomy.org/strat1

That website doesn't mean anything to me and I'm not taking the time to vet your source. How about you tell me a little about it (the source and their claim). I mean, if you take the time to post the link twice, I figure you have a minute to write a sentence or two.

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Oh, I don't know much about the site, but they're hosting a 1996 policy paper written by Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser.

The report is called A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.

It deals with, well, rearranging the Middle East to Israel's and the United States' benefit (mostly Israel in mind though).

So Iraq in 2003 was the beginning of this plan. 9/11 gave the United States and Israel the leeway to pursue aggressive military and intelligence campaigns against terrorists, which neoconservatives wanted prior to 9/11 anyway. Lebanon was struck in 2006 by Israel. Syria is, as you should know, currently engulfed in a Civil War, as well, being occasionally militarily struck by Israel (rolling back). And Iran will not be allowed to ascertain nuclear weapons, but since we haven't gotten to that point yet, the future is uncertain. But what isn't uncertain is this policy being implemented.

I suggest you read it.

ecofarm said:

You do realize the strike has nothing to do with any conflict between Israel and Syria, right? Israel is striking terrorist and perhaps chemical targets, not Assad or his forces.

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I don't really care if isreal was swatting flies with missiles. It doesn't change the fact they will be asking us to back them and protect them from the fallout of their actions. They launched missiles into a sovereign nation. They are not the US who can invade iraq because we wanted to. Our power is not theirs. Isreal is not acting on our behalf. We act on our behalf. trying to pretend like Isreal is battling terrorism is really awful logic. Isreal is attacking it's enemies. isreal is starting crap because they like to do it, and because they think they have the security blanket of the US to stop them from getting their ass kicked. They are not defending any of us. They are acting on their own behalf, and I am fine with them starting wars with their enemies. I have no desire to get involved one way or the other with them doing that. That includes letting them hang when all the people they have pissed off come for their heads. don't give me any of that Isreal is an ally to the US crap either. They are a speed bump considering the armies capable of attacking us. They are an anchor and an expense to us otherwise. We can do without the speed bump and the anchor.

tererun said:

I don't really care if isreal was swatting flies with missiles. It doesn't change the fact they will be asking us to back them and protect them from the fallout of their actions. They launched missiles into a sovereign nation. They are not the US who can invade iraq because we wanted to. Our power is not theirs. Isreal is not acting on our behalf. We act on our behalf. trying to pretend like Isreal is battling terrorism is really awful logic. Isreal is attacking it's enemies. isreal is starting crap because they like to do it, and because they think they have the security blanket of the US to stop them from getting their ass kicked. They are not defending any of us. They are acting on their own behalf, and I am fine with them starting wars with their enemies. I have no desire to get involved one way or the other with them doing that. That includes letting them hang when all the people they have pissed off come for their heads. don't give me any of that Isreal is an ally to the US crap either. They are a speed bump considering the armies capable of attacking us. They are an anchor and an expense to us otherwise. We can do without the speed bump and the anchor.

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So basically, you don't care about anything except the US spending money. Do you consider this to be an informed position?

ecofarm said:

So basically, you don't care about anything except the US spending money. Do you consider this to be an informed position?

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basically i do not care about getting into another expensive foreign war that doesn't benefit us at all. I might be more for it if we had a surplus and were getting support from other countries to use our army as the world police. Isreal is not part of the US. When they petition to be a US state and start complying with US laws and become a territory of the Us then protecting them will be our business. Until then it is their business and we are on the other side of the world and not in any real danger from either side.

Please, explain to all of us the threat of syrian terrorists. Are they more of a danger to us than other terrorists we have floating around here? Do they have long range missiles capable of cutting through our defenses? Do they have a navy capable of getting their armies to our shores? Do they have an army capable of getting through our borders? really, numbnuts over in NK is more of a threat to the US than syria is.

ecofarm said:

You don't see a few reasons for Israel to strike inside Syria?

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pshaw. What, you think loose chemical weapons in Syria with the jumbling of hands that would be grasping for it poses some kind of threat to Israel or something?

cpwill said:

pshaw. What, you think loose chemical weapons in Syria with the jumbling of hands that would be grasping for it poses some kind of threat to Israel or something?

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Oh, let's stop pretending. We all know that this strike is intended to get Iran to understand that Israel is serious. That was the only purpose. After decades of Israel kicking everyone's ass, this strike is what is finally gonna make Iran say "Hey, you know what? Maybe Israel is serious!" It's a good thing they did it just in time.

tererun said:

Please, explain to all of us the threat of syrian terrorists. Are they more of a danger to us than other terrorists we have floating around here? Do they have long range missiles capable of cutting through our defenses? Do they have a navy capable of getting their armies to our shores? Do they have an army capable of getting through our borders? really, numbnuts over in NK is more of a threat to the US than syria is.

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So, you don't care about anything except the US itself and US money? Doesn't that seem just a little self-centered and unrealistic in a globalist world?

What is it that you feel the US government is not providing sufficiently for you? What's it cost for you to ignore genocide... a new x-box?

ecofarm said:

So, you don't care about anything except the US itself and US money? Doesn't that seem just a little self-centered and unrealistic in a globalist world?

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yup, we are not the world's police. No one gave us that job, nor do i think we are presently capable of spreading anything good considering how screwed up our government is. If the world wants to subject itself to the US military as it's police I am sure they will ask. It is not our job to impose our values on other people, even the syrians. Yes, i really do not care. I might have years ago thought we could help the world but the iraq and afganistan wars along with involvement in the Arab Spring taught me something. They will never like us for interfering. We will always be invaders when we use our military in their country. They will never be grateful for our bombs blowing their **** up. So I say we wag our fingers at them and deal with all of our own problems. yes, those problems we have actually effect my life. So yes i do care about those problems a lot more than some foreign war that doesn't effect me at all. However, i am all for selling them some used and obsolete conventional military equipment.

if you want to go impose your rules on them feel free to arm yourself and go there. If you want to send other people to fight a battle for your ideals that doesn't effect their homes or life that is a load of crap. they signed up to protect the US, not to fight for isreal. They certainly did not sign up to fight for your moral superiority around the world.

ecofarm said:

What is it that you feel the US government is not providing sufficiently for you? What's it cost for you to ignore genocide... a new x-box?

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If we are going to worry about genocide i think we should hit both isreal and syria. They are both guilty, and no we are still not their police force no matter how emotional you want to get about it. If they want protection from genocide then fill out immigration papers and come here. Come within the land borders we protect. no one asked us to be world police, and no you are not close to moral enough to take on that role.

tererun said:

yup, we are not the world's police.

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False dichotomy. The US can give a crap about other countries and not be the "world police" (whatever that might mean to you personally).

If we are going to worry about genocide i think we should hit both isreal and syria. They are both guilty, and no we are still not their police force no matter how emotional you want to get about it.

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I just want to remind you that this strike has nothing to do with any conflict between Israel and Syria. It's about terrorists, weapon transfers and possibly chemicals. One more time, just so you might notice: Israel is making no attempt to overthrow Assad.

If they want protection from genocide then fill out immigration papers and come here. Come within the land borders we protect.

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Who, Syrians?? hahaha

no one asked us to be world police,

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Sure they did, ~60k dead civilians ago:

and no you are not close to moral enough to take on that role.

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You're not American?

ecofarm said:

Oh, let's stop pretending. We all know that this strike is intended to get Iran to understand that Israel is serious. That was the only purpose.

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That's amazing. What kind of source do you have inside the senior IDF command that you have this kind of information?

Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt they will play up the message-angle. I just think that suppositions that Israel just picked some kind of random target in Syria and decided to blast it is..... reaching.... Israel's immediate goals (avoid Syrian WMD's falling into the hands of people even more nutty than the regime) just happen to share a nice overlap with her median goals (prevent Iran from developing a nuclear capability).

ecofarm said:

False dichotomy. The US can give a crap about other countries and not be the "world police" (whatever that might mean to you personally).

I just want to remind you that this strike has nothing to do with any conflict between Israel and Syria. It's about terrorists, weapon transfers and possibly chemicals. One more time, just so you might notice: Israel is making no attempt to overthrow Assad

Who, Syrians?? hahah


Sure they did, ~60k dead civilians ago:

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You're not American?

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Yeah. It's interesting to compare this discussion to the one in which liberals are claiming that they have more empathy than conservatives do.

ecofarm said:

False dichotomy. The US can give a crap about other countries and not be the "world police" (whatever that might mean to you personally).

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yes, and that is why we wag our fingers at people. Enforcing our rules on other countries through military is being the world police, and that is exactly what you are advocating. unless you just want us to wag our fingers at them and say bad syria and go on with life and then I agree with you that works for me.

ecofarm said:

I just want to remind you that this strike has nothing to do with any conflict between Israel and Syria. It's about terrorists, weapon transfers and possibly chemicals.

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Yeah, and those chemical weapons are not coming to the US. guess who they are going to be used on? Yup, it is isreal, the same people who use chemical weapons on their own people when they are not jews. So I don't care. Isreal is in trouble without the backing of the US, and maybe it is time for them to learn to be more polite to their neighbors. However, if they need to go to war then I don't care if they do. If they have made people around them so mad they would use chemical weapons on them in acts of terror then that is the security of their country they can try to protect. It is not our job. If you actually care about the issue i welcome you to go there and fight for your beliefs. If you want to send others to fight for your beliefs i will not support that. Have the courage to do something yourself before you demand the US army do anything for ungrateful people like the Isrealis who have opened fire on US military ships in the past.

ecofarm said:

One more time, just so you might notice:

Israel is making no attempt to overthrow Assad.

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Again, it doesn't matter. When they go to retaliate against isreal they will expect US citizens to die for their people. they will expect our armed forces to die before they will allow theirs to. I don't care to send a single US troop to die for Isrealis and their country. However, i will repeat for another time if you wish to go there and help them in their fight I am certainly not going to stop you. I would even be up for providing cheapo military transport of people willing to fight for isreal over to isreal. Bye, have fun. Eat a bagel for me.

ecofarm said:

Who, Syrians?? hahaha

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Well, I was talking about jews who don't want to be destroyed in retaliation, but really anyone willing to live mostly peacefully under american rules is fine as far as i am concerned.

ecofarm said:

Sure they did, ~60k dead civilians ago:

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OK, the answer is no, go fight your own fight. They started it and now they get the effects of going and launching terror attacks on other countries. If you want to get out of it then leave. there is the US, europe, and other countries where there is peace. Sorry, but we are terrible peacekeepers as illustrated by our past attempts, and isreal has reasons they are getting attacked.

ecofarm said:

You're not American?

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Nope, i am american. i am not isreali. I have no allegiance to isreal, nor do I really care about them at all. I don't pay taxes to help them. i don't get any benefit from their existence. I don't see them as being any protection for my rights. There is no downside to saying GFY to them. But if you care deeply about it feel free to do something about it yourself instead of expecting others to fight a battle for you.

Now i notice you indicate you come from florida. Are you american, or are you Isreali? You seem to care much more about Isreal than you do about america and perhaps your allegiance lies elsewhere? Do you pledge allegiance to the united states of isreal, or do you pledge allegiance to the USA? The US is not under the command of isreal nor does it need to respond to defend isreal against it's enemies. It is not a state in the US. As a matter of fact the state of isreal is a functioning religious state which makes it in violation of the constitution and it could not exist in the US due to many of it's religious laws. It is not even a country that pretends to be free and equal. It is a religious theocracy and I do not see any need to fight for the jews or a jewish state. before you go whining about antisemitism i wouldn't fight for a muslim or a christian state either. The jews want their homeland let them shed blood for it. They should not be asking goyum to die for their land. Maybe i might give more of a damn about their country and their problems if i wasn't sub human goyum who they wouldn't give full rights to in their own state even though they beg my country for help every time they get in over their heads.

poweRob said:

Officials: Israel launches airstrike into Syria

Israel launched an airstrike into Syria, apparently targeting a suspected weapons site, U.S. officials said Friday night.

The strike occurred overnight Thursday into Friday, the officials told The Associated Press. It did not appear that a chemical weapons site was targeted, they said, and one official said the strike appeared to have hit a warehouse.

The U.S. officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

Israel has targeted weapons in the past that it believes are being delivered to the Lebanon-based militant group Hezbollah. Earlier this week, Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah said his group would assist Syrian President Bashar Assad if needed in the effort to put down a 2-year-old uprising.

Israeli Embassy spokesman Aaron Sagui would not comment Friday night specifically on the report of an Israeli strike into Syria.

"What we can say is that Israel is determined to prevent the transfer of chemical weapons or other game-changing weaponry by the Syrian regime to terrorists, specially to Hezbollah in Lebanon," Sagui said in an email to the AP.

In 2007, Israeli jets bombed a suspected nuclear reactor site along the Euphrates River in northeastern Syria, an attack that embarrassed and jolted the Assad regime and led to a buildup of the Syrian air defense system. Russia provided the hardware for the defense systems upgrade and continues to be a reliable supplier of military equipment to the Assad regime.​

Alright... who the F knows how this all came about but my tin foil hat is screaming on this one. Syria crossed Obama's line in the sand and Israel attacks. Here's what it looks like with my hat on... Now, instead of the big fear of the U.S. arming the rebels who may very well be more religiously fanatic than we'd like who'd then in turn attack the west or support terrorist groups against us and Israel... now these potential fanatics when they land Syria by ousting Assad, they practically have to give Israel some kind of kudos starting them off in a rather akward position for trying to hate the guys that very publicly helped them.

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I don't think that will be all that useful to Israel really. not that they'd mind. they can blow everyone in the region to smithereens anyway.

cpwill said:

That's amazing. What kind of source do you have inside the senior IDF command that you have this kind of information?

Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt they will play up the message-angle. I just think that suppositions that Israel just picked some kind of random target in Syria and decided to blast it is..... reaching.... Israel's immediate goals (avoid Syrian WMD's falling into the hands of people even more nutty than the regime) just happen to share a nice overlap with her median goals (prevent Iran from developing a nuclear capability).

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I was joking. This strike into Syria means absolutely nothing to Israel's "I'm serious" "message sending".

Who could possibly think that, after decades of war with and strikes into several countries, Iran would suddenly be like "woah, NOW they're serious!"

It's laughable to think of it as a consideration.

cpwill said:

Yeah. It's interesting to compare this discussion to the one in which liberals are claiming that they have more empathy than conservatives do.

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maybe you can expmlain tot he rest of us why our military should commit and die for a clearly religious state when US values a separation of church and state? Isreal is an established religious theocracy and even has made rules which makes jews the preferred class in the country. AT least when we went into iraq we tried to give them democracy and elections, but no one wants isreal to start making things equal for non-jews. Why should the defenders of america and it's freedoms from religious tyranny fight for a religious state?

According to government officials the target was a missiles convoy headed to the Hezbollah terrorist organization in Lebanon.

ecofarm said:

I was joking. This strike into Syria means absolutely nothing to Israel's "I'm serious" "message sending".

Who could possibly think that, after decades of war with and strikes into several countries, Iran would suddenly be like "woah, NOW they're serious!"

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Israel has a history of being restrained by the U.S., whose interests are not served by its insertion into ME affairs. Legitimately this could be used as an ambiguity-increasing measure as to whether or not A) the US would now respond to "red line crossings" by letting Israel off the chain, or B) Israel was no longer listening to the U.S.

For Mullah's who may have thought that they could take comfort in a weak-willed U.S. presidency who was willing to shift to "containment" as a strategy.... yeah, I'd say they are probably taking note.

tererun said:

maybe you can expmlain tot he rest of us why our military should commit and die for a clearly religious state when US values a separation of church and state? Isreal is an established religious theocracy and even has made rules which makes jews the preferred class in the country. AT least when we went into iraq we tried to give them democracy and elections, but no one wants isreal to start making things equal for non-jews. Why should the defenders of america and it's freedoms from religious tyranny fight for a religious state?

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:lamo

1. No one has suggested a land-invasion of Syria.

2. Israel for ever and a day was (and to an extent remains) the only functioning democracy in the Middle East. Neither is the Jewish State a theocracy - there are Muslim Arab members of the Knesset, oh tererun who knows nothing

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:lamo


There are Muslim Arab members of the Knesset, oh tererun who knows nothing

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So you are not going to answer the question?

tererun said:

So you are not going to answer the question?

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Read again. Your question is falsely premised.

cpwill said:

Read again. Your question is falsely premised.

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So your answer to why the right seems enamored with isreal is because they have some muslims in their midst? So we are to assume that the right l;ikes muslims now? And that the right likes the muslims who are fightimng against jewish rule of isreal while also supporting the isreali regime which is very prejudiced against the state of palestine? That does not make any sense, which is why I know it is a republican response, but I was actually hoping for something rational that made sense.

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So your answer to why the right seems enamored with isreal is because they have some muslims in their midst? So we are to assume that the right l;ikes muslims now? And that the right likes the muslims who are fightimng against jewish rule of isreal while also supporting the isreali regime which is very prejudiced against the state of palestine? That does not make any sense, which is why I know it is a republican response, but I was actually hoping for something rational that made sense.

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I have no particular like or dislike of Muslims. Your continued implicit accusations only demonstrate the vacuity of your position.

No, broadly, conservatives do not approve of Hamas. If you want real anti-democrats, that's where you'll find them. In Israel if you lose an election, they don't toss you off a roof.

That being said, your lack of knowledge also leaves you all over the map. If you have anything of worth to say on the OP (and that is doubtful), go ahead. If not? :shrug:

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I have no particular like or dislike of Muslims. Your continued implicit accusations only demonstrate the vacuity of your position.

No, broadly, conservatives do not approve of Hamas. If you want real anti-democrats, that's where you'll find them. In Israel if you lose an election, they don't toss you off a roof.

That being said, your lack of knowledge also leaves you all over the map. If you have anything of worth to say on the OP (and that is doubtful), go ahead. If not? :shrug:

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So that is a no to a real answer, and a bad excuse. I just figured i would ask.