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U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

He very seldom answers a question. When he’s flustered he usually runs off and leaves a trail of random numbers.:mrgreen:

You are right, I make the mistake that liberals are smarter than they actually are and that they have learned how to read a chart which gives them the answers to their questions. I will try not to make the mistake in the future of over estimating the intelligence of a liberal.
 
You are right, I make the mistake that liberals are smarter than they actually are and that they have learned how to read a chart which gives them the answers to their questions. I will try not to make the mistake in the future of over estimating the intelligence of a liberal.

I think we can agree that there are smart people on both the left and right. Hyper partisans who put rational thinking aside to defend "their side's" position often forfeit their intelligence.
 
Sorry but this post should have gone to Pb

Do you think Obamacare is a pro growth private sector economic policy?
purchasing private insurance? What do you think? Off topic.

Do you think asking companies to pay more in Federal Taxes is a pro growth capitalistic economic policy?
I thought you wanted less debt?

do you think a 3.77 trillion dollar budget is a pro growth private sector economic policy?
Is that money being spent in the private sector?

Do you know what the projections were for the Obama stimulus plan regarding unemployment?
Is this the guy that forgets the time frame? employment was in free-fall, nobody made accurate projections on job loss from the Bush Recession.

Obama is a closet socialist but you cannot see it as you don't seem to understand incentive as it relates to the private sector investment. Why don't you spend your own money investing in a business only to have it taken from you in the form of higher taxes?
We have gone over this time and again, taxes are on profits, demand is holding back investment. Profits are way up without investment, there is little incentive to invest in such an environment.
 
Obama got the stimulus program he wanted and his aides predicted what that would do for the unemployment picture. He had total control of the Congress for his first two years including part of the time it was filibuster proof yet he couldn't sell members of his own party on his own economic plan. Instead of blaming Congress how about asking Harry Reid why he hasn't brought to the floor well over a dozen bills passed by the House that are sitting in his desk? Looks to me like the Senate and the President are the problem not the House
Wow, 2 swings at the same topic, neither of which gets to the heart of the matter. You change the topic to Congress, but we all know how the minority blocked nearly everything, it has been and still is a matter of obstructing anything by this administration. I keep asking you where are the GOP job programs, we have nothing, but then that is entirely because anything improving the situation make the President look good.

Luddites and knownothings, today's GOP.
 
And those are good numbers for an Obama supporter?
How would I know? I haven't asked them.
Would you say that discouraged workers are people who want a job?
Yes, but they're not trying to get one. When Obama took office, the number of discouraged was 734,000, went up to 1,318,000 in Dec 2010 and is now back down to 835,000. An improvement from the worst, not as good as it had been.

Unemployed people are people wanting a job? How can you claim that the current labor force up 1 million since Obama took office indicates that only 700,000 want a job?
I claimed no such thing. I wrote: "the number of people not in the labor force who want a job went up 0.7 million" That's not saying only 700,000 people want a job.

But in any case, you're just deflecting. Your claim of -9.4 million in the labor force was false. I'm not talking about good or bad, I'm just talking accuracy.
 
I think we can agree that there are smart people on both the left and right. Hyper partisans who put rational thinking aside to defend "their side's" position often forfeit their intelligence.

Point taken
 
purchasing private insurance? What do you think? Off topic.

I thought you wanted less debt?

Is that money being spent in the private sector?

Is this the guy that forgets the time frame? employment was in free-fall, nobody made accurate projections on job loss from the Bush Recession.

We have gone over this time and again, taxes are on profits, demand is holding back investment. Profits are way up without investment, there is little incentive to invest in such an environment.

Obamacare was the number two policy issued by Obama when we have poor employment and poor economic growth so tell me is Obamacare that requires an employer to buy insurance a pro growth private sector economic policy?

Let me know when during the last 50 years higher taxes generated higher revenue and less National Debt and not just more spending. If you are concerned about debt then why wouldn't you have a problem with a 3.77 trillion dollar budget?

Employment remained in free fall in 2010-2011 when over a million people per month were discouraged workers not counted as unemployed so tell me does a discouraged worker make one less unemployed?

Yes, demand is holding back growth and that is due to 21.5 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers along with millions and millions on food stamps and other forms of taxpayer welfare.
 
Wow, 2 swings at the same topic, neither of which gets to the heart of the matter. You change the topic to Congress, but we all know how the minority blocked nearly everything, it has been and still is a matter of obstructing anything by this administration. I keep asking you where are the GOP job programs, we have nothing, but then that is entirely because anything improving the situation make the President look good.

Luddites and knownothings, today's GOP.

The new liberal normal, high unemployment, lower labor force growth, low economic growth, massive debt, and greater govt dependence. This coming from someone who claims to be in business for themself?
 
Why? Because he had been an office for 8 months? Surely you're not going to tell me you also believe the economy is a light switch. You have to look at trends, and the trend is that the longer Obama is in office, the better things are getting.

That's what I said. We went from 14.2% and rising (all the way up to 17.1%) to 13.9% and dropping. That's a positive trend.

Your claim was:


It seemed you definitely suggested all the added debt was due to money spent to better the economy/unemployment.

I don't care what percentage is inaccurate, merely that your statement is inaccurate.

No, this is false. First of all, the increase in federal spending has been minimal. Most of the debt incurred is from the lost tax revenue. Second of all, most of that spending WASN'T towards stimulating the economy, it was towards the things we were already committed to spending.

And, once again, I don't think it's bad we're making sure people get food. This isn't really that difficult to understand.

To address what I'm sure your larger point is, I do not like how the income inequality gap has increased over the last several decades, including under Obama. But from where I sit, I've seen many things Obama has proposed to combat this, so it's hard for me to blame him when Republicans actively work against him.

Too late. :)
Whoa - I took a glancing look at your post (I did not actually read it).

There is NO WAY I am getting into some huge, multi-quote debate with you over this...life is WAY too short for that and I do not NEARLY care enough what you think on this (no offense).

Maybe you like endlessly debating opinions over and over again - I do not.

You made your points, I disagree with them.

So unless you have some links that disprove things I have said - end of discussion.


Have a nice day.
 
You are right, I make the mistake that liberals are smarter than they actually are and that they have learned how to read a chart which gives them the answers to their questions. I will try not to make the mistake in the future of over estimating the intelligence of a liberal.
What does that say about you, Con? You claimed 9 million jobs were lost during Obama's presidency, yet there is no chart which supports such ludicrousy. Can't you read a chart?
 
What does that say about you, Con? You claimed 9 million jobs were lost during Obama's presidency, yet there is no chart which supports such ludicrousy. Can't you read a chart?

Still waiting for an answer to the many questions raised with you yesterday and on Friday but you continue to run from them. Is the new liberal normal high unemployment, low economic growth, massive govt. debt, and greater dependence on the taxpayers? Does a discouraged worker make one less unemployed? How do you explain adding 6 trillion dollars to the debt and only getting unemployment back to what it was when Obama took office? Any thoughts on what the labor force should be today rather than 155.2 million or up one million since Obama took office? So many questions and so few answers
 
How would I know? I haven't asked them.

Yes, but they're not trying to get one. When Obama took office, the number of discouraged was 734,000, went up to 1,318,000 in Dec 2010 and is now back down to 835,000. An improvement from the worst, not as good as it had been.

I claimed no such thing. I wrote: "the number of people not in the labor force who want a job went up 0.7 million" That's not saying only 700,000 people want a job.

But in any case, you're just deflecting. Your claim of -9.4 million in the labor force was false. I'm not talking about good or bad, I'm just talking accuracy.

What do you believe the labor force number should be today 5 1/2 years after the recession started and 4 plus years after Obama took office? Do you think a discourage worker is any less unemployed? U-3 rate seems to think so.

So let me see if I have this right, the discouraged worker number when Obama took office was 734,000 and in April 2013 it was over 800,000 and Obama has added 6 trillion to the debt but that is a good thing?

How do you know the number of people in the labor force who want a job is up 700,000? What about the over 11 million unemployed? Do they want a job?
 
we all know how the minority blocked nearly everything

he got his obamacare, that was sposed to help a lot---keep costs down, let the folks consume, all those jobs in the industry

he got his dodd-frank---that was gonna fix the too-big's

Holder: Banks too big to prosecute - Salon.com

he got his tax-the-rich on january 1---as well as his 2% payroll on ALL americans, including MIDDLE CLASS

and what was that stimu...

i mean, excuse me, what was that s-word thing sposed to be all about?

its hundreds of billions of dollars worth of problems were in-your-face obvious within six months

Barack Obama's Stimulus Plan: Failing by Its Own Measure - TIME

neanderthals, knuckledraggers, knownothings...

ok

but watch who you're callin a luddite

LOL!

party on!
 
Still waiting for an answer to the many questions raised with you yesterday and on Friday but you continue to run from them. Is the new liberal normal high unemployment, low economic growth, massive govt. debt, and greater dependence on the taxpayers? Does a discouraged worker make one less unemployed? How do you explain adding 6 trillion dollars to the debt and only getting unemployment back to what it was when Obama took office? Any thoughts on what the labor force should be today rather than 155.2 million or up one million since Obama took office? So many questions and so few answers

You're asking nonsensical questions to deflect away from your ridiculous claim that 9 million jobs were lost over the last 4 years.
 
he got his obamacare, that was sposed to help a lot---keep costs down, let the folks consume, all those jobs in the industry

he got his dodd-frank---that was gonna fix the too-big's

Holder: Banks too big to prosecute - Salon.com

he got his tax-the-rich on january 1---as well as his 2% payroll on ALL americans, including MIDDLE CLASS

and what was that stimu...

i mean, excuse me, what was that s-word thing sposed to be all about?

its hundreds of billions of dollars worth of problems were in-your-face obvious within six months

Barack Obama's Stimulus Plan: Failing by Its Own Measure - TIME

neanderthals, knuckledraggers, knownothings...

ok

but watch who you're callin a luddite

LOL!

party on!

Aw yes, Prof, links that liberals here want to ignore. Apparently they believe if you ignore the links the actual data and facts will be whatever they want them to be
 
You're asking nonsensical questions to deflect away from your ridiculous claim that 9 million jobs were lost over the last 4 years.

And your ridiculous claim that because you ignore the fact that discouraged workers aren't counted as unemployed in the U-3 numbers that Obama's unemployment performance is better than other GOP Presidents. How did the discouraged worker count during Reagan's term look?
 
Obamacare was the number two policy issued by Obama when we have poor employment and poor economic growth so tell me is Obamacare that requires an employer to buy insurance a pro growth private sector economic policy?
False representation, faulty premise.

Let me know when during the last 50 years higher taxes generated higher revenue and less National Debt and not just more spending.
You are so confused, govt spending as a component of the economy and on a per capitia level has declined, the idea that govt should shrink as the country increases in size is silly, a false premise. In the 90's we had higher rates, increased revenues, declining deficits, lowered spending to gdp levels.

If you are concerned about debt then why wouldn't you have a problem with a 3.77 trillion dollar budget?
I'm not in the short term.

Employment remained in free fall in 2010-2011 when over a million people per month were discouraged workers not counted as unemployed so tell me does a discouraged worker make one less unemployed?
Complete falsehood, employment levels had stabilized in 2010.

Employment-Population-Ratio-2012.png


Yes, demand is holding back growth and that is due to 21.5 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers along with millions and millions on food stamps and other forms of taxpayer welfare.
Finally a concession!
 
Is the new normal high unemployment? low economic growth? massive govt. debt? greater dependence on the taxpayer?

just a buncha nonsensical questions

LOL!

all ya need to know

party on, progressives

why can't the obama recovery create enough jobs even to keep up with population growth?

why are 1/5 of april's jobs temp?

why are so many workers forced into part time?

why are more than half those who do find something paid near minimum wage?

why can't obama say the word stimulus?

when's the last time you heard him talk about the need to invest?

why did fisker fail?

why can't 50 million americans feed themselves?

why does obama want to raise taxes on the middle class?

why have 1.6 million americans dropped out of the work force in the last 6 months?

nonsensical questions...

luddites...

LOL!
 
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And your ridiculous claim that because you ignore the fact that discouraged workers aren't counted as unemployed in the U-3 numbers that Obama's unemployment performance is better than other GOP Presidents. How did the discouraged worker count during Reagan's term look?
So this is what your rant is about?? Because you're not happy since Obama has lowered the unemployment rate more than every single Republican president going back as far as BLS data shows??

:lamo :lamo :lamo

And by the way, I didn't ignore discouraged workers, I included them in another chart showing that Obama still performs better than his Republican counter parts when using the U6 rate.

As far as discouraged workers under Reagan, I don't know, how many were there?

And again, you continue to deflect away from your nonsensical claim that 9 million jobs were lost under Obama.

I thought you said you admit when you're wrong, as I had done.

Seems not. :shrug:
 
What do you believe the labor force number should be today 5 1/2 years after the recession started and 4 plus years after Obama took office?
I have no opinion on the matter.
Do you think a discourage worker is any less unemployed?
They're not unemployed at all because they're not trying to get ajob...they're Not in the Labor Force.

So let me see if I have this right, the discouraged worker number when Obama took office was 734,000 and in April 2013 it was over 800,000 and Obama has added 6 trillion to the debt but that is a good thing?
How are you getting that from what I wrote? I'm giving you the actual numbers, not the false numbers you were claiming. I've said nothing about good or bad.

How do you know the number of people in the labor force who want a job is up 700,000?
It's not. Everyone in the labor force wants a job. That's kind of the definition of the labor force: Wanting a job and doing something about working. And the labor force has gone up 1 million.

There are some people not in the labor force who say they want a job (this includes the discouraged) but aren't actually doing anything about it. The number of people NOT in the Labor Force who say they want a job has increased 700,000: from 5.7 million to 6.4 million.

What about the over 11 million unemployed? Do they want a job?
Yes they do...and they are in the labor force.

Do you not understand the definitions?
 
the idea that govt should shrink as the country increases in size is silly

LOL!

not if the govt is too big to begin with

hey, why does ap say this is "by far" the slowest economic recovery in american history?

not enough krugman?
 
I thought you said you admit when you're wrong

spoken like a genuine personality whore

why do wsj and nyt say that the april jobs report doesn't come close to turning around a depressed jobs market?

hey, per bloomberg---dominos is hiring 1000's!

part time
 
I notice how threads like this appear whenever there's good news. On Friday, we learned that February and March's employment numbers were revised upwards by over 100,000 jobs and Apr saw an increase of 165,000. We saw the Dow hit a new all-time high. We saw the S&P500 hit a new all-time high. And now we're seeing the righties hunting for any bad news they can find to counter good news for America.

Which once again proves that good news for America is bad news for Conservatives.
 
The new liberal normal, high unemployment, lower labor force growth, low economic growth, massive debt, and greater govt dependence. This coming from someone who claims to be in business for themself?
LOL...yeah, that is what we want! That is a "normal" we seek! FFS, the absolute dishonesty you need to ascribe to your adversary while ignoring your sides intransigence. Again, the GOP refuses to push ANY jobs programs, to restore public employment, to help in pushing ANY economic stimulation that might make the President look better.

Politics before nation, the GOP way.
 
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