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Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

Redress said:
Well, in the case of 9/11, it is easy as the motivation was, at least partly, US policy in regards to Israel.
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So the individuals killed in the Boston bombing were responsible for those policies? That's why they were targeted?
 
solletica said:
Wonder how the US gummint id's members of AQ. Do AQ members carry an ID card w/them showing rank and position in AQ?
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Well, I would think it would be like with their scarfes.....kinda like the bangers do with bandanas. Although I don't know if they would do so with cells.

Although if they are AQ members thought to be Bombers. They say there is a way to identify them.....evidenced.

How Can You Tell Someone Is al-Qaida? Look at His Watch

It's a simple, water-resistant digital watch that retails for about $11. But beware: It could sell you out as al-Qaida.

A new batch of WikiLeaks files from Guantanamo Bay reveals a secret checklist U.S. investigators used to figure out whether detainees were really al-Qaida members. Among the criteria was the kind of wristwatch they were wearing.

The U.S. military lists the Casio F-91W model -- a cheap plastic watch available all over the world -- as a "suspicious item" on par with military transceivers, satellite phones, huge wads of cash and secret notes from al-Qaida facilitators. According to a confidential document distributed to American interrogators at the Guantanamo Bay prison, the Casio model "is an indicator of al-Qaida training in the manufacture of improved explosive devices (IEDs)."

"The Casio was known to be given to the students at al-Qaida bomb-making training courses in Afghanistan, at which the students received instruction in the preparation of timing devices using the watch," the document states.

One-third of detainees captured while wearing the Casio watch "have known connections to explosives," it said

The memo was used to train U.S. investigators on how to accurately gauge the threat level of certain detainees at the U.S. terror prison in Cuba. More than 50 reports about individual detainees mention the Casio watch, along with a slightly more expensive model, the A-159W, made of stainless steel.
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How Can You Tell Someone Is al-Qaida? Look at His Watch
 
poweRob said:
I don't know what you are asking. What I'm saying is that these two young dumbasses got the recipe off the internet, did what they did, and their dorm buddies tried to hide the evidence. This is all a far cry from those who instantly ran to a theory that it was al quaeda themselves or Saudi sponsored or was due to highly trained people. You had Glenn Beck... who is probably still pushing this massive MASSIVE conspiracy theory and people on this forum who lapped that crap right up.
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Well, for one thing the investigation isn't over yet. Are you saying you don't think this had anything to do with Islamic extremism? Did you see the interviews with the mother? In the article below, the boys' own uncle says he believes they were heavily influenced by the mother during a visit with her, and she seems to be an extremist herself.

Here's an interesting article for you. Of course, none of this is confirmed but just a theory, and you really discount anything yet. How you can be so confident that they got a recipe off the internet and acted of their own accord, I don't know.

Bombing suspects had training, lawmaker says
 
ecofarm said:
I think the whole thing was simply too stupid and random to be a legit organized effort. I also think it is too big to be just a moron who convinced his little brother. Even the friends cleaning up the room has a bizarre tint to it. I think the older brother was a moron being used by an organization to conduct a test run. He was told to try to get his roomates to clean up the room just to see if such was possible (it turns out, it was). In sum: this was a test run utilizing a moron to see what would happen.
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That's a good possibility too.
 
ChrisL said:
Well, for one thing the investigation isn't over yet. Are you saying you don't think this had anything to do with Islamic extremism?
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No I'm not saying anything like that. Of course it did. These are stupid kids ideologically driven by really stupid religious hatred.

ChrisL said:
Did you see the interviews with the mother? In the article below, the boys' own uncle says he believes they were heavily influenced by the mother during a visit with her, and she seems to be an extremist herself.
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And a theif. A morally bankrupt stupid woman.

ChrisL said:
Here's an interesting article for you. Of course, none of this is confirmed but just a theory, and you really discount anything yet. How you can be so confident that they got a recipe off the internet and acted of their own accord, I don't know.

Bombing suspects had training, lawmaker says
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Organization. It isn't there. If I'm wrong, I'll stand corrected. But at this point, I don't see anything structured enough to imply anything beyond stupid assed easily influenced kids acting on their own probably because the older brother got tangled up with the spitting hatred of a nasty Imam back in his fatherland who got him angry enough to think about doing something stupid.
 
poweRob said:
No I'm not saying anything like that. Of course it did. These are stupid kids ideologically driven by really stupid religious hatred.



And a theif. A morally bankrupt stupid woman.



Organization. It isn't there. If I'm wrong, I'll stand corrected. But at this point, I don't see anything structured enough to imply anything beyond stupid assed easily influenced kids acting on their own probably because the older brother got tangled up with the spitting hatred of a nasty Imam back in his fatherland who got him angry enough to think about doing something stupid.
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Well, of course all of this is a possibility as well, but it's good to investigate from all angles IMO, just to be sure. These two wouldn't have been the first bumbling actual terrorists that we've seen either. Remember the one on the plane who lit himself on fire?
 
ChrisL said:
Well, of course all of this is a possibility as well, but it's good to investigate from all angles IMO, just to be sure. These two wouldn't have been the first bumbling actual terrorists that we've seen either. Remember the one on the plane who lit himself on fire?
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Was gonna burn his balls off with the exploding underwear or the shoe bomber?
 
ChrisL said:
That's a good possibility too.
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Outside puppeteers, deploying a crap shot, fits every parameter, including a government still quiet about an apparent over-reaction. The older and the mother made contact in Russia, was that the same group? We dunno, because we're chasing.

The older committed suicide. Was he suicidal? No, I don't think so. Then why had he not only made all attempt to commit suicide but also (evidently) made absolutely sure that his kid brother would make sure? To hide his link. Why? Because he's the only link. He suicides not because he is so psychologically, but to protect info; further, he convinces his kid brother to make sure (the cops apprehending had to dodge the vehicle) somehow.

But his mama talked to someone, the Patriot Act allows us to listen when one end is outside the US and one end is on the list. The problem? She cannot have any PA wire intel used against her without a real warrant (as opposed to the 'special warrant' obtained [via special judges(s)] before the PA tap) obtained via standard channels and completely without any info obtained in the quasi-warrant tap.
 
Another point I'd like to make is that as bumbling as they might have been, they still managed to kill three completely innocent people and wound well over 100 more, some very seriously.
 
ecofarm said:
Outside puppeteers, deploying a crap shot, fits every parameter, including a government still quiet about an apparent over-reaction. The older and the mother made contact in Russia, was that the same group? We dunno, because we're chasing.

The older committed suicide. Was he suicidal? No, I don't think so. Then why had he not only made all attempt to commit suicide but also (evidently) made absolutely sure that his kid brother would make sure? To hide his link. Why? Because he's the only link. He suicides not because he is so psychologically, but to protect info; further, he convinces his kid brother to make sure (the cops apprehending had to dodge the vehicle) somehow.

But his mama talked to someone, the Patriot Act allows us to listen when one end is outside the US and one end is on the list. The problem? She cannot have any PA wire intel used against her without a real warrant (as opposed to the 'special warrant' obtained before the PA tap) obtained via standard channels and completely without any info obtained in the quasi-warrant tap.
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Very interesting stuff Eco!
 
ecofarm said:
Outside puppeteers, deploying a crap shot, fits every parameter, including a government still quiet about an apparent over-reaction. The older and the mother made contact in Russia, was that the same group? We dunno, because we're chasing.

The older committed suicide. Was he suicidal? No, I don't think so. Then why had he not only made all attempt to commit suicide but also (evidently) made absolutely sure that his kid brother would make sure? To hide his link. Why? Because he's the only link. He suicides not because he is so psychologically, but to protect info; further, he convinces his kid brother to make sure (the cops apprehending had to dodge the vehicle) somehow.

But his mama talked to someone, the Patriot Act allows us to listen when one end is outside the US and one end is on the list. The problem? She cannot have any PA wire intel used against her without a real warrant (as opposed to the 'special warrant' obtained [via special judges(s)] before the PA tap) obtained via standard channels and completely without any info obtained in the quasi-warrant tap.
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I'd bet that it's more of outside agitators who just stir up angst and hatred to levels that they expect an occassional dumbass to act on their bitterness. I think the elder brother got chatted up when he went back to the homeland.
 
ChrisL said:
Very interesting stuff Eco!
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A test-run, deployed via moron. Why was he (his kid brother, and anyone else involved) morons? Because 'they' didn't give a crap who got caught (or credit, given the low-level event - a couple pot-bombs). The only link is the dead idiot.

There have been other 'test runs'; I bet this fits those profiles. Most importantly, incompetence.
 
ecofarm said:
A test-run, deployed via moron. Why was he (his kid brother, and anyone else involved) morons? Because 'they' didn't give a crap who got caught (or credit, given the low-level event - a couple pot-bombs). The only link is the dead idiot.

There have been other 'test runs'; I bet this fits those profiles. Most importantly, incompetence.
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Well, I know some people aren't going to be happy, but that may be just ONE thing that the wars have accomplished. The terrorists haven't seemed to be able to come together and plan another successful attack.
 
I'll add that the mother appears coached in geopolitical terminology (I mean the study of her words, not her study of anything). Or she's totally ****ing insane.
 
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MaggieD said:
And we both know that if the government
declared this was not Workplace Violence (which is joke in and of itself) that you, Redress, would not be arguing that it was Workplace Violence. So I say we stalemated.

As usual.
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The legal definition of terrorism is far from perfect, and it was an area of debate among college professors when I went to the university.

the CIAs definition is so vague, the Boston Tea Party could potentially qualify as terrorism under it.

It's not a debate you can win or lose. I would say most people at some point just agree that the definition is far from perfect and leaves lots of questions.
 
ecofarm said:
I'll add that the mother appears coached in geopolitical terminology (I mean the study of her words, not her study of anything). Or she's totally ****ing insane.
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And another big clue was when she said that the Boston police framed her sons. :screwy
 
ecofarm said:
A test-
run, deployed via moron. Why was he (his kid brother, and anyone else involved) morons? Because 'they' didn't give a crap who got caught (or credit, given the low-level event - a couple pot-bombs). The only link is the dead idiot.

There have been other 'test runs'; I bet this fits those profiles. Most importantly, incompetence.
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It shocks me how stupid they were too.

They didn't think they would get caught. How stupid is that. And They only had one gun and a pellet gun.

The younger brother possibly even failed at committing suicide, though he likely tried.


These guys are like world's dumbest terrorists.

I laugh at their stupidity, but at the same time, I am happy they were easy to track down.
 
They said on the news they were planning to bomb something else, not the Boston Marathon. But they finished the bombs early and decided to blow them up at the marathon instead.

I didn't hear what their first plan was though.
 
Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev admitted to FBI interrogators that he and his brother originally planned their assault as a suicide bombing on the Fourth of July. According to an official, they planned to use pressure-cooker bombs and other homemade explosive devices, but they finished building the bombs early and pushed up the date to Patriots’ Day, April 15. The brothers drove around Boston before settling on the marathon finish line as a target. He also said they watched online videos of radical Islamic cleric Anwar al-Awlaki.
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Boston Bombing Suspects Planned July 4 Attack - The Daily Beast
 
roughdraft274 said:
Exactly. The only smart thing to do is shut down any and all public aid in college expenses or any kind of education for that matter, just in case we accidentally give aid to a crazy person.

That's why you and I advocate for shutting down the entire military right? Because Nidal Hasan was a U.S. Army major and actually received pay from the us government, my tax dollars, and he was crazy and killed people. It only makes sense right?
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What I want to know is where did anyone suggest such a thing?

Are we not allowed to be upset to find out that they WERE collecting public services and being supported by OUR taxpayer money, and then they turn around and bomb us? WTH?!
 
Zyphlin said:
So just to be sure. Every abortion clinic bombing isn't something you would label terrorism as your argue against those who call it such until a clear motive of hoping to coerce social or political change is found and proven? Simple religious or moral disdain for it would make it not terrorism, right?
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Sorry for the delay on getting back to you on this. Been busy and what free time I have had, been busy with other stuff. To answer:

The issue is not what I would call it, but rather what the government should call it. My point in this has been that there is nothing wrong with the government not calling the Fort Hood shootings "terrorism" since by the definitions the government has, it is far from clear that it was. The same holds true for abortion clinic bombings. "terrorism", as defined by the government, is a crime of motivation. Where it differs from other mass killings is in the intent of the person doing the killing. If the government cannot prove that the goal is influencing social or political change, or that the motive was political, which is how the definitions read, then it should not be called terrorism by the government. This includes abortion clinic bombings. In other words, it depends entirely on the motive of the abortion clinic bomber. Some are, some are not.

What people want to call it is of course and entirely separate matter. Define the term as you want and as long as it is not wildly off from the more standard definitions, I will not argue with you on that definition. But there is a significant difference between people, and the US government. The government needs to operate under what is written as law. It should not be making it up as it goes along, ignoring the law when convenient. Following that law is not somehow being PC, not looking to protect Muslims, or anything else. That is just bull**** perpetrated by people who want to bitch about Obama for anything and everything.
 
MaggieD said:
Really. El Quaeda is a political group? They were making a political statement with 9/11? Well, again we don't agree. The 9/11 attack was carried out, not to make a political statement, but to disrupt our economy (and other economies throughout the world) and advance Islamic fundamentalism.

They don't care about our government or our politics. They care about Islamic fundamentalism.
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Bin Laden's Fatwa | PBS NewsHour | Aug. 23, 1996 | PBS

Osama bin Laden said:
The latest and the greatest of these aggressions, incurred by the Muslims since the death of the Prophet (ALLAH'S BLESSING AND SALUTATIONS ON HIM) is the occupation of the land of the two Holy Places
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Oops, turns out it was politically motivated...
 
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