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Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

sangha said:
So you won't test drugs on children, and you won't let drugs be given to children unless they're tested :screwy
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No, not screwy--responsible. If my child had cancer and there were an experimental drug--and BTW, I have a child who had cancer--I might be highly likely to give my consent. I did consent to an experimental technique.

And if my child were terminal, I might reach out, in my desperation, for any hope at all. But do please continue to share your armchair theories about all of this because I may be able to answer other silly questions you might have.

Oh, and also just to set the record straight, I happen to be one of the "Salk babies" upon whom the polio vaccine was tested. So thanks for playing, Sangha. I actually not only have my own opinion, that opinion to which each one of us is entitled whether others agree or not, but I also have personal experience.

Get back to me when you can focus on what I have actually said--that drugs that mess with female hormones present special risks. I even posted a government link on this. My bet is that you didn't bother to click because you never know; you might learn something that interferes with your pre-set opinion.
 
nota bene said:
No, not screwy--responsible. If my child had cancer and there were an experimental drug--and BTW, I have a child who had cancer--I might be highly likely to give my consent. I did consent to an experimental technique.

And if my child were terminal, I might reach out, in my desperation, for any hope at all. But do please continue to share your armchair theories about all of this because I may be able to answer other silly questions you might have.

Oh, and also just to set the record straight, I happen to be one of the "Salk babies" upon whom the polio vaccine was tested. So thanks for playing, Sangha. I actually not only have my own opinion, that opinion to which each one of us is entitled whether others agree or not, but I also have personal experience.

Get back to me when you can focus on what I have actually said--that drugs that mess with female hormones present special risks. I even posted a government link on this. My bet is that you didn't bother to click because you never know; you might learn something that interferes with your pre-set opinion.
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Plan B does not mess with female hormones. Plan B is safe

When you have evidence that Plan B is harmful, please post it

And inform the FDA
 
AGENT J said:
no im fully aware of that part of the change that has no impact on my question.
And your opinion above is also fine by me but it too doesnt address what my post is about.

Wheres the interference, wheres the force, what parental rights are being taken away. I know YOU didnt say that but thats what my post was questioning.

my questions are about the seemingly nonsensical remarks he made about "forcing parents" and "inferring" and "against parents will".

This law to my knowledge doesnt factually do any of that.

what did it change as far as parents rights and will goes. what did it force on them?
Like i said all this law did is add another product to the list of millions that can be bought by a 15yr old.
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It's not necessarily doing something against a parent's will but rather kind of an interference in what should be a family issue. When the child is afforded an easy opportunity to avoid going to her family for help, I just don't think that's a very good idea. I just think that 15 years old is too young to be procuring this pill without a prescription and without any kind of parental consent. You can't get regular BC pills without a prescription.
 
ernst barkmann said:
that's only a matter of opinion, remember, you may wish to bring up your child one way, and others, may wish another avenue.
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...and the law has to accommodation all of us.

If you have a good open line of communication with your child, this law changes nothing for you.

If you do not have a good open line of communication with your child, then it's already to late, and trying to block Plan-B will only make things worse by forcing the child to deceive you.
 
Jerry said:
...and the law has to accommodation all of us.

If you have a good open line of communication with your child, this law changes nothing for you.

If you do not have a good open line of communication with your child, then it's already to late, and trying to block Plan-B will only make things worse by forcing the child to deceive you.
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Jerry i know you feel that way, but i just have a different look at it then you, thats all.

i respect your view of the situation though.

peace be with you, jerry
 
AGENT J said:
you are factually wrong LOL

if you disagree by all means factually prove your false statement that you made. ill wait :)
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sorry, i dont work on your terms, you saying i am wrong, and now i have to provide the answers, since you put yourself in the prosecution position, ..its your duty to provide evidence, not me.
 
sangha said:
Plan B does not mess with female hormones. Plan B is safe

When you have evidence that Plan B is harmful, please post it

And inform the FDA
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I am certainly not an endocrinologist or an expert on Plan B, but I did spend under a minute Googling:

When you purchase Plan B, you get two pills. Each pill contains 0.75 milligrams of levonorgestrel. You take the first pill as soon as possible after unprotected sex, and you take the second pill 12 hours later.

Although scientists aren't completely sure how it works, they believe that levonorgestrel prevents pregnancy either by stopping the ovulation process or by disrupting the ability of sperm and egg to meet in the fallopian tubes. Some speculate that the drug may prevent the fertilized egg from implanting as well, perhaps by making the uterine lining less receptive to the egg.

Levonorgestrel does this by disrupting the natural hormonal cycle. It contains a synthetic form of progesterone (regular birth-control pills contain it in lower doses). The high doses of progesterone in Plan B are disruptive enough to prevent fertilization or implantation.

Discovery Health "Plan B"

How, again, does Plan B not interfere with female hormones? :lamo
 
ChrisL said:
It's not necessarily doing something against a parent's will but rather kind of an interference in what should be a family issue. When the child is afforded an easy opportunity to avoid going to her family for help, I just don't think that's a very good idea. I just think that 15 years old is too young to be procuring this pill without a prescription and without any kind of parental consent. You can't get regular BC pills without a prescription.
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im not saying i agree or disagree with your opinions but what he was saying was simply not true and made up.

whats the interference? theres is none, theres actually less interference by government now, not more.
 
nota bene said:
I am certainly not an endocrinologist or an expert on Plan B, but I did spend under a minute Googling:

When you purchase Plan B, you get two pills. Each pill contains 0.75 milligrams of levonorgestrel. You take the first pill as soon as possible after unprotected sex, and you take the second pill 12 hours later.

Although scientists aren't completely sure how it works, they believe that levonorgestrel prevents pregnancy either by stopping the ovulation process or by disrupting the ability of sperm and egg to meet in the fallopian tubes. Some speculate that the drug may prevent the fertilized egg from implanting as well, perhaps by making the uterine lining less receptive to the egg.

Levonorgestrel does this by disrupting the natural hormonal cycle. It contains a synthetic form of progesterone (regular birth-control pills contain it in lower doses). The high doses of progesterone in Plan B are disruptive enough to prevent fertilization or implantation.

Discovery Health "Plan B"

How, again, does Plan B not interfere with female hormones? :lamo
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It doesn't "interfere with female hormones". It either prevents ovulation or fertilization, neither of which is "messing with female hormones"

And your quote says nothing about it having any harmful effect on a womans fertility

That's because Plan B is safe
 
ernst barkmann said:
sorry, i dont work on your terms, you saying i am wrong, and now i have to provide the answers, since you put yourself in the prosecution position, ..its your duty to provide evidence, not me.
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LMAO no its not, YOU made the statement YOU have to prove it LMAO
but it wont be any different than all the other times you cant back up your false claims :D :shrug:

ans whther you try or not doesnt actually matter because you are factually wrong and that wont change:lamo
 
AGENT J said:
LMAO no its not, YOU made the statement YOU have to prove it LMAO
but it wont be any different than all the other times you cant back up your false claims :D :shrug:

ans whther you try or not doesnt actually matter because you are factually wrong and that wont change:lamo
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sorry no, .......you (STARTED) with stating in post 397 .....what i said is ....false!

i stated in post 400....... totally true.

you stated again in post 410.......... i am wrong

its is you who started playing the prosecution......
 
ernst barkmann said:
sorry no, .......you (STARTED) with stating in post 397 .....what i said is ....false!

i stated in post 400....... totally true.

you stated again in post 410.......... i am wrong

its is you who started playing the prosecution......
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EXATLY,very good thats exactly what i said, YOU made the claim and YOU have to prove it, thanks for proving me right.:laughat:

prosecution is meaningless, why to just make rules up for the board :lamo

its ok, we knew you couldn't back up you lie anyway but its fun watching you try.

Let me know when you can prove your lie :D
 
Grant said:
By not prohibiting it they are allowing it, thereby intruding on a decision that should be known, accepted and approved by the family.

Do you see the difference?
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No, with no federal rules, the decisions becomes local. The lack of FEDERAL prohibition does not preclude local prohibition.
 
sangha said:
It doesn't "interfere with female hormones". It either prevents ovulation or fertilization, neither of which is "messing with female hormones"

And your quote says nothing about it having any harmful effect on a womans fertility

That's because Plan B is safe
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Maybe you should reread the link and what I said. But I'm not at all sure this will help if you don't even understand the basics and actually think this pill doesn't mess with female hormones.

I mean, really, Sangha. The pill IS a hormone, a synthetic progesterin hormone. The person who takes it is putting levonorgestrel-- and at a higher dose than levonorgestrel has been added previously in other pills--into her body, which already has naturally occurring female hormones.

And yet you claim that this synthetic hormone has no effect on female hormones.
 
nota bene said:
Maybe you should reread the link and what I said. But I'm not at all sure this will help if you don't even understand the basics and actually think this pill doesn't mess with female hormones.

I mean, really, Sangha. The pill IS a hormone, a synthetic progesterin hormone. The person who takes it is putting levonorgestrel-- and at a higher dose than levonorgestrel has been added previously in other pills--into her body, which already has naturally occurring female hormones.

And yet you claim that this synthetic hormone has no effect on female hormones.
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You can keep repeating that nonsense all you want, but claiming that you're right doesn't prove that you are right.

Hormones don't "mess with" hormones. They *are* hormones.

The hormone in Plan B affects the reproductive process, not other hormones. It prevents fertilization (and possibly implantation). It does this primarily by preventing an egg from being released. It does not do this by "messing with" hormones.

Also, the term "messing with" is a value laden phrase. It's like saying an MCAB "messes with" a person's heart
 
What term would you prefer? "Adds to"? "Tampers"? "Interferes with"?

We don't know yet about the long-term safety of this drug when taken by growing girls, and we surely don't know what the impact might be on their future children. We do know that other "safe" drugs taken by women that contained hormones have later been proven to be deadly too often.

And that's what I'm saying. I'm also saying that teens already indulging in risky behaviors--sex, pharm parties, etc.--are pretty likely to abuse this drug. I just don't think allowing a 15-year old to buy it OTC is sensible.
 
nota bene said:
What term would you prefer? "Adds to"? "Tampers"? "Interferes with"?

We don't know yet about the long-term safety of this drug when taken by growing girls, and we surely don't know what the impact might be on their future children. We do know that other "safe" drugs taken by women that contained hormones have later been proven to be deadly too often.

And that's what I'm saying. I'm also saying that teens already indulging in risky behaviors--sex, pharm parties, etc.--are pretty likely to abuse this drug. I just don't think allowing a 15-year old to buy it OTC is sensible.
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Yes, we do know about the long term safety of Plan B, and all the evidence shows that it is safe. As far as what might possibly be, the truth is we can't say that any drug is 100% safe, yet you're not calling for all drugs to be recalled.

And there's no evidence that anyone will abuse Plan B. It's not like it's a fun drug to take.
 
sangha said:
Yes, we do know about the long term safety of Plan B, and all the evidence shows that it is safe. As far as what might possibly be, the truth is we can't say that any drug is 100% safe, yet you're not calling for all drugs to be recalled.

And there's no evidence that anyone will abuse Plan B. It's not like it's a fun drug to take.
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You are surely more familiar with the studies than I, so please link me up to the longitudinal studies on young adolescent girls that indicate that in the long term, Plan B is safe.
 
Of course.
 
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