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Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]


This is hardly surprising when you realize that the Obama administration, within the past 6 months, hired a former lobbiest for the manufacturer of the Plan B drug as the lead attorney for the Department of Health and Human Services. This lobbiest also happened to be a Deputy Commissioner with the FDA during the Clinton administration.

Why bother with lobbying when you can get right in the hen house and be part of the decision making process.
 
After you overlook the other questions so conveniently?

Bringing up Hitler means you have waived any claim on honest debate. There's no reason to respond to someone who is going to behave like you have. I dont try and have rational discussions with blatantly dishonest people. I'm sorry that bothers you.
 
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I know what children are like.

Do you have children?

other than your emotional aversion to the idea of a 15 year old girl having sex,

Now you are making up things that were never said or even suggested. As stated before I am a parent, I know what sort of things kids get into at different ages. So when you want to discuss things without making up stuff, let us know.
 
Do you have children?



Now you are making up things that were never said or even suggested. As stated before I am a parent, I know what sort of things kids get into at different ages. So when you want to discuss things without making up stuff, let us know.

Explain how this pill is different than buying a condom.
 
Explain how this pill is different than buying a condom.

Again, diversion from the discussion. Just answer the question Claire.





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Bringing up Hitler means you have waived any claim on honest debate. There's no reason to respond to someone who is going to behave like you have. I dont try and have rational discussions with blatantly dishonest people. I'm sorry that bothers you.

According to who's rules? I'm a parent, the FDA (FedGov) is taking away my RIGHT to raise my children as I see fit.

Hitler did the same.

I'd also like to know if you are a parent?
 
I don't support giving parents that authority. My own parents were pro-life and I'm pro-choice. I wasn't sexually active as a teenager, but if I was and needed my parents' permission to get the morning after pill, I can guarantee you they'd say no. Same goes for an abortion. Besides which, my parents finding out I had pre-marital sex would lead to great shame and potential disownment. My reproductive status is none of their business.

If they're mature enough to be having sex and maybe get pregnant, then they're mature enough to use the morning after pill.

My only concern is the lack of research about this pill for girls at age 15. But the FDA has been wreckless in recent years, so they'll just let the public experiment until something goes wrong and then modify the drug policy, as usual.

IMO (and the medical community) there is often a huge difference in judgement of adults and teens. That is why we have an age of consent for one thing. It's also why minors do not have all the same rights and privileges of adults. I'm not saying the age of consent or 18 or 21 fit everyone but those are 'ballparks' for most.

That's why we don't just let 15 yr olds just go live out on their own without parental permission...for example.

So do I believe that 15 yr olds will necessarily make the right decisions regarding their health over fear of parental punishment or pregnancy? No, I don't.
 
Explain how this pill is different than buying a condom.

This is not a diversion: this pill can negatively affect a woman's health. There may be reactions. She may have some conditions that she chooses to ignore out of fear of pregnancy/her parents. Her parents may choose to contact her doctor first and make sure it doesn't conflict with other meds she's on, for example. She may take it in secret, tell no one, and then have a side effect that leads to her death.

EDIT: Oh, and this pill also does not protect against STDs.
 
This is hardly surprising when you realize that the Obama administration, within the past 6 months, hired a former lobbiest for the manufacturer of the Plan B drug as the lead attorney for the Department of Health and Human Services. This lobbiest also happened to be a Deputy Commissioner with the FDA during the Clinton administration.

Why bother with lobbying when you can get right in the hen house and be part of the decision making process.

It was the FDA that decided to not allow Plan B to be OTC for young women. It was a judge that ordered that Plan B be made available OTC, so the facts show that this appointment had nothing to do with it.
 
This is not a diversion: this pill can negatively affect a woman's health. There may be reactions. She may have some conditions that she chooses to ignore out of fear of pregnancy/her parents. Her parents may choose to contact her doctor first and make sure it doesn't conflict with other meds she's on, for example. She may take it in secret, tell no one, and then have a side effect that leads to her death.

EDIT: Oh, and this pill also does not protect against STDs.

Testing and use show that Plan B is safe to use
 
Testing and use show that Plan B is safe to use

Individuals can react to anything, including aspirin, ibuprophen, any over the counter drug. Or be allergic. Or have a reaction if they are on other medications. No medication is 100% safe.
 
Individuals can react to anything, including aspirin, ibuprophen, any over the counter drug. Or be allergic. Or have a reaction if they are on other medications. No medication is 100% safe.

Which is why everything should require a prescription and a letter of approval from their parents :roll:
 
That's why we don't just let 15 yr olds just go live out on their own without parental permission...for example.

Why does the same logical fallacy keep repeating itself over and over in this threat, unabated?

I think it's a serious mistake to assume that you have total control over your teenager. If they are able to have sex without you knowing then are obviously living their own life whether you want to let them or not.
 
Which is why everything should require a prescription and a letter of approval from their parents :roll:

Yes, that's right. Everything should for no better reason than to prove your argument is right

Or, there are legitimate health reasons. Hmmmm. Gee, which shall I choose?

"Many women have taken emergency contraception without serious complications. But it's a good idea to ask your doctor about possible interactions with other medications.


Potential side effects of Plan B or Plan B One-Step include:

nausea
abdominal pain
fatigue
headache
menstrual changes
dizziness
breast tenderness
vomiting
diarrhea

With Plan B or Plan B One-Step, you may also have some unexpected bleeding. "

Plan B (Morning-After Pill): Effectiveness and Side Effects


It is overdoses of 2 different hormones which, if overused (like as a contraceptive) can disrupt and damage a woman's future fertility.
 
Why does the same logical fallacy keep repeating itself over and over in this threat, unabated?

I think it's a serious mistake to assume that you have total control over your teenager. If they are able to have sex without you knowing then are obviously living their own life whether you want to let them or not.

So, from this you just suppose parents continue to step further and further away from their parenting role and teaching their kids better judgment and getting them through periods that could harm them? It's no different keeping a kid from touching a hot stove than keeping them from dying from side affects of a drug. Who says the parent will say no? Another presence if there is a problem, to call 911? What judgment is a teen using if they are hiding all their behavior from their parents, were dumb or careless enough to get pregnant, and now want to take a pill and 'fix' things?

It's about judgment and again....teens are not known for great judgment.....sorry, am I hitting a sore spot? That is why we have ages of consent, which I wrote earlier.
 
Yes, that's right. Everything should for no better reason than to prove your argument is right

Or, there are legitimate health reasons. Hmmmm. Gee, which shall I choose?

"Many women have taken emergency contraception without serious complications. But it's a good idea to ask your doctor about possible interactions with other medications.


Potential side effects of Plan B or Plan B One-Step include:

nausea
abdominal pain
fatigue
headache
menstrual changes
dizziness
breast tenderness
vomiting
diarrhea

With Plan B or Plan B One-Step, you may also have some unexpected bleeding. "

Plan B (Morning-After Pill): Effectiveness and Side Effects


It is overdoses of 2 different hormones which, if overused (like as a contraceptive) can disrupt and damage a woman's future fertility.

No, it's not "overdoses" of anything. According to what I've read, it is not possible to overdose on Plan B, nor does it do any damage to a woman's fertility. The side effects are unpleasant, but nothing more
 
It was the FDA that decided to not allow Plan B to be OTC for young women. It was a judge that ordered that Plan B be made available OTC, so the facts show that this appointment had nothing to do with it.

Actually, the OP talks about the FDA basically accepting the court ruling without challenging it. Who do you think advised the Secretary of HHS on the matter?
 
So, from this you just suppose parents continue to step further and further away from their parenting role and teaching their kids better judgment and getting them through periods that could harm them?

No not at all. But is it really her parents' choice whether or not she becomes implanted? I agree that sex is serious business and people should have a level head about it, but if a 15 year old is undertaking the seriousness of having sex then shouldn't she also be given the freedom to choose the MAP if she's exposed to insemination?

I don't see how leaving it up to the parents is efficient, since the MAP is very time sensitive. If her parents say no then she could end up pregnant.

It's no different keeping a kid from touching a hot stove than keeping them from dying from side affects of a drug.

I've seen no evidence that the MAP can cause death.

Who says the parent will say no? Another presence if there is a problem, to call 911? What judgment is a teen using if they are hiding all their behavior from their parents, were dumb or careless enough to get pregnant, and now want to take a pill and 'fix' things?

Actually, it's not getting pregnant. Pregnancy occurs at implantation. The MAP disrupts implantation. The whole point of taking it is to NOT get pregnant.

I think the risks are being overblown here. I mean, the long-term studies are not out, but the MAP does not adversely affect women older than 15; and it's one to two doses max. It's not a long-term supplement.

It's about judgment and again....teens are not known for great judgment.....sorry, am I hitting a sore spot? That is why we have ages of consent, which I wrote earlier.

No you're not hitting a sore spot, I just don't find your arguments very convincing. Teens have bad judgment so... if they use bad judgment and risk potential pregnancy, we shouldn't let them use good judgment and get the MAP to maybe prevent a pregnancy they're unprepared for?

Can you demonstrate that the MAP is bad judgment? That's the hole in your argument that I'm not quite understanding. AFAIK there's no such thing as MAP abuse.
 
According to who's rules? I'm a parent, the FDA (FedGov) is taking away my RIGHT to raise my children as I see fit.

Hitler did the same.

I'd also like to know if you are a parent?

Oh look, he doubled down on the Godwin fallacy. Maybe Arbo will continue to defend such a thing.
 
I also have mixed feelings about this. I fully support a woman's (even a young one's) right to abortion and birthcontrol and all of that. My biggest concern is that some teenage girls will use Plan B as a regular form of birth control. That isn't what it is for and taking it too often could have harmful consequences. I hope that is printed in large letters across the box. Perhaps even have a public awareness campaign on it.
 
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We are fast approaching the Borat Theory of Using Our Reproductive Parts. You can basically say it's the Lib philosophy... and it goes like this...

If there is grass on the pitch, let's play! And if they think they've gotten knocked up, just let them take a jagged little pill.

NEXT!
 
I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I think it's a good thing that the morning-after pill is readily available. On the other, I think giving 15-year-olds access to this medication without their parents' knowledge isn't the right thing to do. Damned if you do...damned if you don't.

The FDA determined that the drug was safe for all ages BUT because of the nature of the drug, ruled that it could only be sold to people 17 and older. A suit was filed and a federal count found fir the plaintive and ruled the drug cannot have ANY age restrictions. The FDA has not followed that ruling but has lowered the age to 15. This policy is in violation of the ruling, so it may not stand.

We'll see, but don't be so quick to blame the FDA, they are being conservative here.
 
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