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Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Says

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I would like to think that irrespective of their political lean, citizens would want to know the facts, which belong to no party.

How did Ty Woods come to die the way he did on that rooftop? What about Glen Doherty? Why didn't anybody come to their rescue?

Why was Susan Rice trotted out to all the Sunday political-talk shows to disseminate a lie?

Is it possible that there was a cover-up whose purpose was to protect Obama's re-election chances? Were the American people misled, or were we lied to?

Why has Congress been stonewalled? I don't understand this at all. Which facts are eventually going to be proven to be the ones that were so "inconvenient"?

Why have Benghazi surivors been "sequestered" for 8 months now? Why are we even having to discuss "whistleblowers"? Why is this?
 
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Exactly. Republicans keep insisting there's a cover-up...of what? What's being covered up? We know 4 Americans are dead. We know there were fundamental flaws in the processes which were supposed to keep them safe. What exactly is being hidden?

Let's quit the political posturing and focus on what's important, which is how to prevent it from happening again. The blame game is a waste of time. If there was someone who clearly violated the rules of their job, then they deserve to be fired. But that's not an issue for the national media, that's an issue for whatever department is responsible for that person. Let's quit wasting time trying to use the deaths of Americans as political fodder for the next election and let's spend the time making sure we do everything we can to make sure it doesn't happen again.

No, you don't. YOU don't need to know that. The people responsible for those who made any potential mistakes need to know. You don't need to know anything.

Only if something bad happened. Whenever something good happens, the President had nothing to do with it.
We're going to find out what's been hidden. The stateside personnel involved in the decisions regarding Benghazi include the President, the Secretary of State, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and a host of other high level people. We expect a somewhat higher standard of behavior and judgement of those people than we do of the 4th grade crossing guard you're alluding to when you claim someone "might" not have followed the "rules of their job". And I, and every other American deserves to know why we left these people there to die. If you don't care, that speaks volumes about you, and none of it is flattering.
 
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We're going to find out what's been hidden. The stateside personnel involved in the decisions regarding Benghazi include the President, the Secretary of State, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and a host of other high level people. We expect a somewhat higher standard of behavior and judgement of those people than we do of the 4th grade crossing guard you're alluding to when you claim someone "might" not have followed the "rules of their job". And I, and every other American deserves to know why we left these people there to die. If you don't care, that speaks volumes about you, and none of it is flattering.

Good morning, humbolt. :2wave:

Excellent post! There is little to be said for "hoping it doesn't happen again." It should have never happened in the first place, and the fact that a room full of people were watching it occur in real time is both frightening and sickening! This was not a make-believe Hollywood movie they were watching, this was happening in real life to real victims! :thumbdown:
 
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Good morning, humbolt. :2wave:

Excellent post! There is little to be said for "hoping it doesn't happen again." It should have never happened in the first place, and the fact that a room full of people were watching it occur in real time is both frightening and sickening! This was not a make-believe Hollywood movie they were watching, this was happening in real life to real victims! :thumbdown:
Morning Pol. We put these people out there in places like Benghazi, and they're out there on a wire. The only thing that makes their missions possible is the threat of American force to back them up if needed. This failure is an extremely dangerous precedent, and we'd better deal with it now. That it's politically potentially ugly now is just a reflection of how bad the original failure truly was. I hope Obama got a good night's sleep.
 
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We know there were fundamental flaws in the processes which were supposed to keep them safe. What exactly is being hidden?

1) people that wanted to testify but weren't allowed.
2) why did B & H continue to insist it was the video's fault?
3) why did it take 7 months to show the picture of 3 main perps ... and only then we discover they were AQAP
4) why did B & H make believe they didn't know anything about any of that and insist everything had been investigated and disclosed?
5) what were the fundamental flaws in the processes?
6) were the processes so fundamentally flawed that a S of S or POTUS should have known about them? ... especially in a Country whose Government they had assisted in overthrowing.

Let's quit the political posturing and focus on what's important, which is how to prevent it from happening again. The blame game is a waste of time.

You're funny ... in a selectively politically biased kind of way. Here's a rule-of-thumb for you to follow if you're so inclined ... ask yourself "Would I be so sanguine about the terrorist murders in Bengahzi if George Bush were president."

But that's not an issue for the national media, that's an issue for whatever department is responsible for that person.

Now you just look foolishly naive, but that can more properly be attributed to blind Obama loyalty.

I think anytime a situation exposes flaws it's reasonable to say the flaws need to be addressed. Are you saying we shouldn't address the flaws, as long as we have a scapegoat?

What were all the flaws? What has been done to address them? Who has been addressing them? How do you know they've actually been addressed?


Seriously, it's time to move on.

Classic. The mark of the truly desperate last stand.


Oh well ... I'm sure Barack would thank you for going down with the ship for him.
 
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I would like to think that irrespective of their political lean, citizens would want to know the facts, which belong to no party
.

How did Ty Woods come to die the way he did on that rooftop? What about Glen Doherty? Why didn't anybody come to their rescue?

Why was Susan Rice trotted out to all the Sunday political-talk shows to disseminate a lie?

Is it possible that there was a cover-up whose purpose was to protect Obama's re-election chances? Were the American people misled, or were we lied to?

Why has Congress been stonewalled? I don't understand this at all. Which facts are eventually going to be proven to be the ones that were so "inconvenient"?

Why have Benghazi surivors been "sequestered" for 8 months now? Why are we even having to discuss "whistleblowers"? Why is this?

Some here have indicated we don't really need to know and the media doesn't need to look into it as long as our Government says they're fixing whatever went wrong.
Does that make you feel comfortably warm & fuzzy?
 
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David Gregory of NBC's 'Meet the Press' asked the same question of John McCain. His answer was -

"Of the information concerning the deaths of four brave Americans," McCain replied. "The information has not been forthcoming. You obviously believe that it has. I know that it hasn't. And I'll be glad to send you a list of the questions that have not been answered, including 'What did the president do and who did he talk to the night of the attack on Benghazi?'"
Exactly. What is McCain alleging, that the President of the United States wanted those people to die? That's absurd.

He's arguing that information which is irrelevant is being covered up. He is manufacturing a cover-up, simply because it scores political points. The important parts of this investigation have been provided.

And to leftists, the question is kind of silly in itself....If we knew what was being covered up, there wouldn't be a cover up would there?
It's not a dodge, it's an honest question.

I think the JFK murder involved a cover-up. There are legitimate questions surrounding the situation that we can confidently say we don't know all of the IMPORTANT information. But, in this case, the "cover-up" is unrelated to the actual incident.

There are five basic questions that should be the foundation of any conclusive investigation. Who?
Terrorists

killed Americans

in Benghazi

on September 11th

because there is a "war" going on.

So far all we have is the "When?"
I think I just proved this statement inaccurate.

and you want to brush it off and say it doesn't matter.
No, I want to say let's focus on what's important, which is how to prevent more Americans from being killed. I want to focus on bringing those responsible to justice. I DON'T want to focus on what paper pusher in the State Department or what intelligence informant in the field didn't accurately assess the threat.

Oh, NOW you want to focus on preventing it from happening again? So unlike the 6 years of "Bush lied, people died" mantra we heard from your ilk for 6 years straight...Wonder why that is?
I've always wanted to prevent it happening again. I don't understand what Bush has to do with this, it was well-known before we ever invaded Iraq that not a single instance of a WMD had ever been confirmed. I'd like to prevent that from happening again as well, which is why I support Obama not rushing to invade Syria like a couple of Republicans have suggested.

No, it is one of the very investigative questions that MUST be answered to reach a reasonable conclusion, and prevent this in the future.
No it isn't. It's a red herring, a political ploy to discredit the administration. If I tell you Ryan Brown was responsible for not passing the intelligence on to Clinton, does it change a single thing?

Including the President.
The President has never been asked to deal with every military incident. But this is what this conspiracy talk is all about, you want to believe the President will be removed from his post, so you keep pushing this cover-up story, despite it being completely irrelevant to what happened. It's purely political.

What? Then you clearly don't want an independent, investigative media serving the people.
Investigating and finding out Ryan Brown was responsible does absolutely nothing. Investigating and finding out which processes have been reformed or not reformed could save American lives. Let's focus on what's important and quit the witch hunt.

So you agree that a special select committee should be convened?
There's already been multiple committees and investigations done.

Are you kidding here? At every turn this administration concocts crisis built on the deaths of American's to politically get their agenda through without proper scrutiny, or questioning.
And do you support that? Are you telling me you like it when they do it? Or do you find it beneath what we as Americans should aspire to? Or is it only okay when it pushes the agenda that you have?

Our government serves at the consent of the governed....What we should, or should not know is a matter of our representatives in congress.
Not when it deals with intelligence and not when it comes to the lives of people working out in the field.

Oh, Boo, freaking Hoo! This President has unprecedented support from a complicit media.
A) You have got to be kidding and B) You confirmed what I said.

Failing to come to the aid of American's under attack by enemy forces.
Lying about the events of the incident.
Covering up facts to further a political election.
Lying to the American people.
Stonewalling congress.
Collusion
Witness tampering
Abuse of power

For starters.
:roll:

It isn't about "scapegoating" anyone
Yes it is, you've already made your agenda clear. You support the politicization of dead Americans to fire the President. That's what this ongoing conversation about a cover-up is all about.

When Obama took office in 2009 he promised that his administration would be "the most transparent, the most accountable in American history..." Yeah, not so much eh?
I'd argue in many ways government is more transparent, probably the most transparent in history. But no, he certainly hasn't lived up to the expectations in that area.

I believe that the maker of the video is still in Jail, No?
He violated his probation, No?

How about you libs stop trying to brush the deaths of 4 brave Americans under the rug like so much debris....It's offensive.
No one is brushing anything. We're just saying let's focus on what we can do to make sure more Americans aren't killed. I want to make safe Americans around the world...you want to get the President fired. Only one of us wants something relevant in this situation.

I know you're trying to be sarcastic here, but in mockery, comes grains of truth...Because this is exactly what liberals aiding and abetting the President's cover up are doing.
What? Seriously, what? By wanting to focus on how to protect Americans in the future, that's more important than knowing Ryan Brown didn't take the threat seriously enough?

It is really funny, because this is the exact line of thinking of hacks like Lawerence O'Donnell on MSNBC are parroting as useful idiots of this administration. And that you, and others come in here and just regurgitate the same line of thinking is an astonishing exercise in recognizing the effects of propaganda.
I don't watch MSNBC, who does? Besides you apparently.

But I cannot help but notice you engaged in a red herring fallacy. Do I need to educate you further on fallacies?

How? You can't prevent anything if you don't even want to know the truth
I do want to know the truth. I want to know why the process failed. I want to know how it can be improved. I want to know what needs to be done to prevent this in the future.

Unlike you and John McCain, I'm not interested in a witch hunt which does nothing to protect Americans. I want to protect Americans and you want to fire them. And you call me offensive.
Why has Congress been stonewalled? I don't understand this at all. Which facts are eventually going to be proven to be the ones that were so "inconvenient"?
Stonewalled? They've received over 25,000 pages of documents. They've held days of testimony from people like Clinton and Petraues, the two people most directly responsible for this situation. How is that being stonewalled?

We're going to find out what's been hidden.
What are you going to find? What is the absolute worst you expect to find? That President Obama ordered his administration to say it was a YouTube video to cover up the fact intelligence was missed about the severity of the threat? Would there be anything worse than that?

And I, and every other American deserves to know why we left these people there to die.
But you've already been told! How do you not understand this?

If you don't care, that speaks volumes about you, and none of it is flattering.
But you've already been told. Patreus told the country during his testimony. The fact you ignore what you already know, to push a conspiracy which at its very worst is what we already know, makes no sense to me.
 
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Exactly. What is McCain alleging, that the President of the United States wanted those people to die? That's absurd.

He's arguing that information which is irrelevant is being covered up. He is manufacturing a cover-up, simply because it scores political points. The important parts of this investigation have been provided.

It's not a dodge, it's an honest question.

I think the JFK murder involved a cover-up. There are legitimate questions surrounding the situation that we can confidently say we don't know all of the IMPORTANT information. But, in this case, the "cover-up" is unrelated to the actual incident.

Terrorists

killed Americans

in Benghazi

on September 11th

because there is a "war" going on.

I think I just proved this statement inaccurate.

No, I want to say let's focus on what's important, which is how to prevent more Americans from being killed. I want to focus on bringing those responsible to justice. I DON'T want to focus on what paper pusher in the State Department or what intelligence informant in the field didn't accurately assess the threat.

I've always wanted to prevent it happening again. I don't understand what Bush has to do with this, it was well-known before we ever invaded Iraq that not a single instance of a WMD had ever been confirmed. I'd like to prevent that from happening again as well, which is why I support Obama not rushing to invade Syria like a couple of Republicans have suggested.

No it isn't. It's a red herring, a political ploy to discredit the administration. If I tell you Ryan Brown was responsible for not passing the intelligence on to Clinton, does it change a single thing?

The President has never been asked to deal with every military incident. But this is what this conspiracy talk is all about, you want to believe the President will be removed from his post, so you keep pushing this cover-up story, despite it being completely irrelevant to what happened. It's purely political.

Investigating and finding out Ryan Brown was responsible does absolutely nothing. Investigating and finding out which processes have been reformed or not reformed could save American lives. Let's focus on what's important and quit the witch hunt.

There's already been multiple committees and investigations done.

And do you support that? Are you telling me you like it when they do it? Or do you find it beneath what we as Americans should aspire to? Or is it only okay when it pushes the agenda that you have?

Not when it deals with intelligence and not when it comes to the lives of people working out in the field.

A) You have got to be kidding and B) You confirmed what I said.

:roll:

Yes it is, you've already made your agenda clear. You support the politicization of dead Americans to fire the President. That's what this ongoing conversation about a cover-up is all about.

I'd argue in many ways government is more transparent, probably the most transparent in history. But no, he certainly hasn't lived up to the expectations in that area.

He violated his probation, No?

No one is brushing anything. We're just saying let's focus on what we can do to make sure more Americans aren't killed. I want to make safe Americans around the world...you want to get the President fired. Only one of us wants something relevant in this situation.

What? Seriously, what? By wanting to focus on how to protect Americans in the future, that's more important than knowing Ryan Brown didn't take the threat seriously enough?

I don't watch MSNBC, who does? Besides you apparently.

But I cannot help but notice you engaged in a red herring fallacy. Do I need to educate you further on fallacies?

I do want to know the truth. I want to know why the process failed. I want to know how it can be improved. I want to know what needs to be done to prevent this in the future.

Unlike you and John McCain, I'm not interested in a witch hunt which does nothing to protect Americans. I want to protect Americans and you want to fire them. And you call me offensive.

Stonewalled? They've received over 25,000 pages of documents. They've held days of testimony from people like Clinton and Petraues, the two people most directly responsible for this situation. How is that being stonewalled?

What are you going to find? What is the absolute worst you expect to find? That President Obama ordered his administration to say it was a YouTube video to cover up the fact intelligence was missed about the severity of the threat? Would there be anything worse than that?

But you've already been told! How do you not understand this?

But you've already been told. Patreus told the country during his testimony. The fact you ignore what you already know, to push a conspiracy which at its very worst is what we already know, makes no sense to me.

With all the dancing and equivocation you have going on here, this question is NOT going away, and just like with Watergate, this could be the down fall of Obama.....So, in the end call it what you want, it is going to play out.
 
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What are you going to find? What is the absolute worst you expect to find? That President Obama ordered his administration to say it was a YouTube video to cover up the fact intelligence was missed about the severity of the threat? Would there be anything worse than that?

But you've already been told! How do you not understand this?

But you've already been told. Patreus told the country during his testimony. The fact you ignore what you already know, to push a conspiracy which at its very worst is what we already know, makes no sense to me.
Intelligence missed? Are you nuts? A hole was blown in the perimeter wall weeks before the attack, and left unrepaired. We're going to hear from some witnesses to the event. I suggest you go on a media vacation during that time. I wouldn't want your fantasy world shattered. I really don't give a damn about the political affiliation of any of the players in this. I want to know who refused assistance to these people and I want them out of government immediately. We take care of our own, and anybody who doesn't believe in that fundamental requirement does not belong in any position of governmental authority at all, much less dictating the fate of others serving.
 
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Do I need to educate you further on fallacies?

heh heh ... I gotta admit ... you are the 1st guy I'd think of for that kind of expertise, given your experience and staggering portfolio and all.
 
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With all the dancing and equivocation you have going on here, this question is NOT going away, and just like with Watergate, this could be the down fall of Obama.....So, in the end call it what you want, it is going to play out.

I heard on Fox a bit ago the attorney of one of the whistleblowers. She says that her client's identity will be revealed Wednesday. She is also demanding an apology. Sorry; I can't find a link to what I've posted yet.
 
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Intelligence missed? Are you nuts? A hole was blown in the perimeter wall weeks before the attack, and left unrepaired. We're going to hear from some witnesses to the event.
I suggest you go on a media vacation during that time. I wouldn't want your fantasy world shattered.
I really don't give a damn about the political affiliation of any of the players in this. I want to know who refused assistance to these people and I want them out of government immediately. We take care of our own, and anybody who doesn't believe in that fundamental requirement does not belong in any position of governmental authority at all, much less dictating the fate of others serving.

I have to disagree. Don't encourage him to do that.
I think it was in The Wild Bunch ... remember? ... when the gang rode into town to rob the bank some kids were playing with big red ants? ... and when they rode out of town the kids were burning the red ants alive.
It'd be like watching that.
 
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I have to disagree. Don't encourage him to do that.
I think it was in The Wild Bunch ... remember? ... when the gang rode into town to rob the bank some kids were playing with big red ants? ... and when they rode out of town the kids were burning the red ants alive.
It'd be like watching that.
Bubba, that's really good. I'll be laughing for a while.
 
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Bubba, that's really good. I'll be laughing for a while.

What a great effing movie ... changed the genre forever.

Pike Bishop: What would you do in his place? He gave his word.
Dutch Engstrom: He gave his word to a railroad.
Pike Bishop: It's his word.
Dutch Engstrom: That ain't what counts! It's who you give it *to*!


It even had a little relevance to the current state of politics.
 
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What a great effing movie ... changed the genre forever.

Pike Bishop: What would you do in his place? He gave his word.
Dutch Engstrom: He gave his word to a railroad.
Pike Bishop: It's his word.
Dutch Engstrom: That ain't what counts! It's who you give it *to*!


It even had a little relevance to the current state of politics.
All this time we thought Obama was using a teleprompter to speek to us. In reality, he was talking to the teleprompter. He promised us nothing at all. And he delivered.
 
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Intelligence missed? Are you nuts? A hole was blown in the perimeter wall weeks before the attack, and left unrepaired. We're going to hear from some witnesses to the event. I suggest you go on a media vacation during that time. I wouldn't want your fantasy world shattered. I really don't give a damn about the political affiliation of any of the players in this. I want to know who refused assistance to these people and I want them out of government immediately. We take care of our own, and anybody who doesn't believe in that fundamental requirement does not belong in any position of governmental authority at all, much less dictating the fate of others serving.

Humbolt, it's not difficult to remember that there was an election coming up, on which BHO spent one billion dollars in seeking reelection. If memory serves me correctly, he left the next day to continue campaigning for same. The priorities shown here are unbelievable, to put it mildly. I wonder what the Ambassador and the Navy Seals last thoughts were, as they were being murdered by cowardly thugs, as to why the help they were pleading for was not being sent. We'll never know, but it's a fairly safe bet they knew during their last moments of life that they had been abandoned by our government. Then to have Rice make the TV rounds saying it was because of a video? What the hell difference does that make...the fact is we did not send help when we should have! Rounding up the killers at this point doesn't bring the dead back to life, nor does it excuse our inaction! I will be interested in hearing the rationale for that injustice! :shock:
 
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Humbolt, it's not difficult to remember that there was an election coming up, on which BHO spent one billion dollars in seeking reelection. If memory serves me correctly, he left the next day to continue campaigning for same. The priorities shown here are unbelievable, to put it mildly. I wonder what the Ambassador and the Navy Seals last thoughts were, as they were being murdered by cowardly thugs, as to why the help they were pleading for was not being sent. We'll never know, but it's a fairly safe bet they knew during their last moments of life that they had been abandoned by our government. Then to have Rice make the TV rounds saying it was because of a video? What the hell difference does that make...the fact is we did not send help when we should have! Rounding up the killers at this point doesn't bring the dead back to life, nor does it excuse our inaction! I will be interested in hearing the rationale for that injustice! :shock:
I agree. I'm not all that concerned with the obvious security screw ups that were in evidence before the attack. That is more reflective of a policy decision - a poor one perhaps, but I don't think that was the last nail in the coffin, and it's equally obvious that the Ambassador and the others didn't think so either. They knew security was bad, but they went ahead with their mission anyway in the belief that we would not let them hang out there to be killed. I want to make certain those responsible for the decision to abandon these people are never in such a position again. Actually, I would like a little more than that, but I'll be satisfied with that.
 
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Yes. The who may be part of the why, but
the why is far more critical. But unless
it's your contention the who were deliberately wanting Americans to die, I think it's safe to say the problem was more with the process, not the persons.

Completely false.

Let's say the determination was made we could not afford extra security at the compound. Is that a "who" or a why? That's a why. If the request for security didn't get passed up the chain because other intelligence said we had greater need for forces in other places, that's a why, not a who.

Unless you're alleging an intentional act of endangering Americans, the who is separated from the why.

Yes, but why? What matters more, who is in charge or why they gave the order? Do you really need to know Person A, or do you need to know what we can do to make sure Person A does a better job?

The why is far more important. The "who" is just what Republicans want to use to find more reasons to criticize the Obama administration. The who is political, the why is what's important.

Oh yes, how DARE we ask for the President and his top Secretary's and aides to be accountable for their mistakes.

Look, its bad enough your President disappeared after he heard HIS AMBASSADOR was under attack. He went AWOL, where abouts unaccounted for.

But since you guys completely let GWB off the hook and only wanted to know "why" and not "who" to what ever contrived criminal accusations you could think of that day, I think we'll just sweep this whole messy affair under the rug.

I mean Hillary told the truth when she wispered into the Navy Seals Fathers ear that day " We will get the guy who made this video.." and the fact that her committee to investigate the Benghazzi attacks is now under investigation, you know the one that totally absolved her of any guilt ? Thats just minor clerical errors I'm sure.

Truth is, what the Obama administration clearly did was unforgivable, it was criminal and yes, they ARE going to be held accountable aside from your mitigations.

When Democrats get wind that their constituents are becoming more and more unerved by this growing crisis, they'll detach themselves from this Chicago thug administration and agree to a special seperate committee with the power to call on witnesses.
 
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With all the dancing and equivocation
What dancing? Has my point changed once this entire time? You keep wanting to talk about irrelevant things and I'm talking about what saves American lives. Who's dancing?

and just like with Watergate, this could be the down fall of Obama.....So, in the end call it what you want, it is going to play out.
:roll:

Intelligence missed?
Yes.

Are you nuts?
No.
A hole was blown in the perimeter wall weeks before the attack, and left unrepaired.
And why is that? Are you blaming the President for this as well? Or are you saying there was a process which failed those in Benghazi?

If it's the second, then you're arguing the same thing I am.

We're going to hear from some witnesses to the event.
What are they going to say that we don't already know? They're going to say there was an attack. They will detail the attack just as it unfolded on the video from the surveillance drone. What exactly are you hoping for?

I suggest you go on a media vacation during that time. I wouldn't want your fantasy world shattered.
What fantasy world is that? Are you saying I'm living in a fantasy world because I want to focus on what can be done to prevent this happening in the future?

I want to know who refused assistance to these people
No, you want to know why. Knowing who is irrelevant to the why.

and I want them out of government immediately.
I assume you want the same of any and all Congress people who voted for the war in Iraq? Honest question.

We take care of our own
But you're not. I want to take care of our own. You want to live in the past.
I agree. I'm not all that concerned with the obvious security screw ups that were in evidence before the attack. That is more reflective of a policy decision - a poor one perhaps, but I don't think that was the last nail in the coffin, and it's equally obvious that the Ambassador and the others didn't think so either. They knew security was bad
I'm dumbfounded. You don't care the process failed them, you only care about blaming someone after the fact. Wow...

I want to make certain those responsible for the decision to abandon these people are never in such a position again.
You've already been told why the decisions were made that were made. So are you really looking for an answer you've already been given?

heh heh ... I gotta admit ... you are the 1st guy I'd think of for that kind of expertise, given your experience and staggering portfolio and all.
I see fallacious arguments made all the time. I make arguments which are could be called a fallacy, though it's rarely accused and the few times it has been accused, it's always been wrong. I find most people have little to no understanding of them.

I love studying fallacies. I'll be more than happy to educate him again on them.

Oh yes, how DARE we ask for the President and his top Secretary's and aides to be accountable for their mistakes.

Look, its bad enough your President disappeared after he heard HIS AMBASSADOR was under attack. He went AWOL, where abouts unaccounted for.

But since you guys completely let GWB off the hook and only wanted to know "why" and not "who" to what ever contrived criminal accusations you could think of that day, I think we'll just sweep this whole messy affair under the rug.

I mean Hillary told the truth when she wispered into the Navy Seals Fathers ear that day " We will get the guy who made this video.." and the fact that her committee to investigate the Benghazzi attacks is now under investigation, you know the one that totally absolved her of any guilt ? Thats just minor clerical errors I'm sure.

Truth is, what the Obama administration clearly did was unforgivable, it was criminal and yes, they ARE going to be held accountable aside from your mitigations.

When Democrats get wind that their constituents are becoming more and more unerved by this growing crisis, they'll detach themselves from this Chicago thug administration and agree to a special seperate committee with the power to call on witnesses.
You REALLY need to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh. It's simply amazing to me how far Republicans are taking this. Republicans don't even care any more about the people who died and they certainly aren't caring about making sure others are safe. That has all but been confirmed in this thread. All you care about is finding someone to shame the President.

The mentality of some in this thread is literally to not care about other Americans who are currently serving, but rather attack the President of the United States. Amazing.
 
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Yes.

No.
And why is that? Are you blaming the President for this as well? Or are you saying there was a process which failed those in Benghazi?

If it's the second, then you're arguing the same thing I am.

What are they going to say that we don't already know? They're going to say there was an attack. They will detail the attack just as it unfolded on the video from the surveillance drone. What exactly are you hoping for?

What fantasy world is that? Are you saying I'm living in a fantasy world because I want to focus on what can be done to prevent this happening in the future?

No, you want to know why. Knowing who is irrelevant to the why.

I assume you want the same of any and all Congress people who voted for the war in Iraq? Honest question.

But you're not. I want to take care of our own. You want to live in the past.
I'm dumbfounded. You don't care the process failed them, you only care about blaming someone after the fact. Wow...

You've already been told why the decisions were made that were made. So are you really looking for an answer you've already been given?
Amazing. On the one hand, you're telling me I want to know why, and then you tell me we already know why. "Process" is involved in fixing the damn wall? No it isn't. What's involved is locating someone to fix it, getting it fixed, and paying them. This may come as a shock to you, but that happens all the time everywhere. Homeowners and business owners do it every day. There is no "process" failure. The failure resides properly with those who refused to save four Americans when they could have. The way to prevent such gross dereliction of duty is to make an example of these morally deficient people. I would absolutely love for you to sit down with the parents and families of those slain and explain to them their loved ones died due to a "process failure", and not those who refused to give an order.
 
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Amazing. On the one hand, you're telling me I want to know why, and then you tell me we already know why.
Exactly. Thus my confusion on why people still keep thinking this is some big deal. Of course, you're confusing two different things, but I'm not going to explain it to you now.

"Process" is involved in fixing the damn wall? No it isn't. What's involved is locating someone to fix it, getting it fixed, and paying them.
Why did that not happen?

Homeowners and business owners do it every day.
I would hope you recognize the difference between getting a handy man to fix something at your house and what happened there...

There is no "process" failure.
Clearly there was, and that process failure helped lead to the deaths of Americans.

The failure resides properly with those who refused to save four Americans when they could have. The way to prevent such gross dereliction of duty is to make an example of these morally deficient people.
Okay, let's just get it out of the way.

Do you think people in the Obama Administration wanted these four Americans to die? Either say it or not, do you think they wanted Chris Stevens and the others to die?
 
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Nobody cared enough to try to save Woods and Doherty. Stevens and Smith were already dead.
 
Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

Nobody cared enough to try to save Woods and Doherty. Stevens and Smith were already dead.

If only Bush had been president: he would have invaded Libya and spent another $3T saving their lives. As his Iraqi and Reaghanistan victories showed -- he cared about American lives.
 
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Bush wasn't President; Obama was. Let's stick to facts.
 
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Exactly. Thus my confusion on why people still keep thinking this is some big deal. Of course, you're confusing two different things, but I'm not going to explain it to you now.

Why did that not happen?

I would hope you recognize the difference between getting a handy man to fix something at your house and what happened there...

Clearly there was, and that process failure helped lead to the deaths of Americans.

Okay, let's just get it out of the way.

Do you think people in the Obama Administration wanted these four Americans to die? Either say it or not, do you think they wanted Chris Stevens and the others to die?
I'm not confusing anything. You are, intentionally. I think it's safe to say we are worlds apart on this issue.
 
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