Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sports

OscarB63 · Apr 30, 2013

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Funny, I am on record here as supporting gay marriage, gays in the military, etc. but because I don't sing the praises of this guy...I am a homophobe.

Hicup · Apr 30, 2013

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Ikari said:
I think it's slightly better than soccer.

Well it'[s safer that's for sure. LOL

Reference to biting in case ya didn't know.

Tim-

Hicup · Apr 30, 2013

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OscarB63 said:
Funny, I am on record here as supporting gay marriage, gays in the military, etc. but because I don't sing the praises of this guy...I am a homophobe.

Of course you are.. Did you miss that meme?

Tim-

Samhain · Apr 30, 2013

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Ikari said:
So he's the equivalent of someone who posts "first" in threads on the internet?

Bingo.

It would have been more groundbreaking if he announced that the games are fixed.

OscarB63 · Apr 30, 2013

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Hicup said:
Of course you are.. Did you miss that meme?

Tim-

obviously so.

Dr. Chuckles · Apr 30, 2013

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Tucker Case said:
It's just a phenomenally strange coincidence then that those people were virulently anti-gay, many of whom don't give a **** about basketball at all until this topic arose, then.

You responded to criticism of his career by calling the people making those criticisms homophobic. I'm pointing out your accusation rings rather hollow if you can't actually defend his career against such criticism.

They've already out themselves as homophobic. I'm merely noting they they happen to be the people who have taken this opportunity to criticize his career.

Right, they outed themselves by leveling a criticism that you can't actually address ... Maybe they are simply right, that he's a ****ty player and this will have no impact on his career.

Why would I be interested in disproving their assessment of his career? Their perception about the quality of his career has absolutely no relevancy to his coming out of the closet.

besides all the people talking about the impact it will have on his career ...

Dr. Chuckles · Apr 30, 2013

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Tucker Case said:
There's that homophobia. :lol:

he's probably referring to the fact that he was dishonest with his fiancé and mislead her for 7 years (which he cited earlier)

But of course it's easier to toss out the PC juju

Tucker Case · Apr 30, 2013

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clownboy said:
Huh? A bunch of tennis players came out decades ago. Swimming, skating, former NFL players have come out. He was not the first. Now if we're talking about folks who alter the landscape, there was Renee Richards back in 75.

The first active player form any of the big four American team sports.

Tucker Case · Apr 30, 2013

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Hicup said:
I personally have zero sympathy for ANYONE that offs themselves. The reasons are immaterial in my mind.

Tim-

Bully for you. It was already clear that you do not possess empathy for others, but thank you for making it even more clear.

hfd · Apr 30, 2013

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Remember when Clinton got sucked off in the WH and we were told, hey. that is none of our business it's his personal life? And Starr was branded a pervert because he was leaning on Bubba. So now we got a basketball player who like to suck men's members and the media is all over it. Why isn't this just his own personal sex life. Are the President and others perverts for making it the news story of the day? WWJD? He would have condemned the young man. Jesus was a Jew through and through and he treated the OT as the word of his God. And it makes no difference what Paul said, he was a heretic. All thing to all men, BS. And if you want to brand those Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin please do. They're right in line with all those 'moderate' Muslims I keep hearing abouy.

Samhain · Apr 30, 2013

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Tucker Case said:
The first active player form any of the big four American team sports.

........ to use homosexuality as an excuse to explain why he's an unemployed athlete.

You realize that is what the story is going to be come later this year, right?

"Why is Jason Collins an unemployed NBA baller? Could it be.......gay?!?!?!"

Hicup · Apr 30, 2013

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Tucker Case said:
Bully for you. It was already clear that you do not possess empathy for others, but thank you for making it even more clear.

Do you have any empathy for his girlfriend of SEVEN years?

Tim-

OscarB63 · Apr 30, 2013

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my basic gripe with the whole thing

Any time you can have someone this high-profile come out, it's just so helpful, particularly to young people.

Most recently a little-used reserve center for the Washington Wizards after a midseason trade from the Boston Celtics, the 7-foot Collins is a free agent who can sign with any team. He wants to keep playing in the NBA.

a little used reserve center who most NBA fans (and certainly most americans) have never even heard of is not "high profile"

they are treating this as if the freakin pope admitted being gay.

Tucker Case · Apr 30, 2013

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Dr. Chuckles said:
You responded to criticism of his career by calling the people making those criticisms homophobic.

False. I pointed out that the homophobes are criticizing his career in this context.

Don't make **** up about what I did simply because you didn't comprehend what was present.

I'm pointing out your accusation rings rather hollow if you can't actually defend his career against such criticism.

Observation, not accusation. Only a ****ing idiot would think that I was trying to defend his career.

Right, they outed themselves by leveling a criticism that you can't actually address

No, they outed themselves for years prior to this thread. Are you arguing form a position of ignorance again? What did I tell you about that?

besides all the people talking about the impact it will have on his career ...

Who gives a **** about the impact it will have on his career? It shouldn't have any impact on his career.

OscarB63 · Apr 30, 2013

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Tucker Case said:
False. I pointed out that the homophobes are criticizing his career in this context.

you are accusing everyone who criticises his career of being a homophobe.

Tucker Case · Apr 30, 2013

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Dr. Chuckles said:
he's probably referring to the fact that he was dishonest with his fiancé and mislead her for 7 years (which he cited earlier)

But of course it's easier to toss out the PC juju

No, that's the excuse he is using for the purposes of this context.

Hicup has been very clear about his feelings on homosexuality in the past. My assessment is not based on this thread, but his entire body of work over the course of hundreds of posts on the topic.

Tucker Case · Apr 30, 2013

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OscarB63 said:
you are accusing everyone who criticises his career of being a homophobe.

No, I am noting that the only reason to criticize his career in this context is if one is a homophobe seeking to denigrate him.

Quite a different thing to those of us who are actually capable of comprehending what we read.

Hicup · Apr 30, 2013

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OscarB63 said:
you are accusing everyone who criticises his career of being a homophobe.

Which is ironic since Collins is the very definition of what constitutes real homophobia. Glad he's over his spell, but forgive me if I'm not rushing to his side for his sudden revelations.

Tim-

Dr. Chuckles · Apr 30, 2013

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Tucker Case said:
Who gives a **** about the impact it will have on his career? It shouldn't have any impact on his career.

well, a big part of the story is the impact it will have on his career. hence people started discussing his career. For you, such a cause and effect seems to prove homophobia because they thought he had a lackluster career.

Yet, oddly, you can't argue he did not. Which is why the argument, again, rings hollow and supports the idea proposed earlier that assessments of his career will be more defined by accusations and fears of homophobia, than his actual playing

Only a ****ing idiot would think that I was trying to defend his career.

well, I am unsure how else to describe you actions here, which amounted to responding to criticism of his career (that you seemingly can't address) by calling people homophobic.

Tucker Case · Apr 30, 2013

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Hicup said:
Do you have any empathy for his girlfriend of SEVEN years?

Of course I do. And the only way of avoiding another woman form enduring the same experience is to make certain that no person feels that they have to hide their sexuality from the world. If we lived in a more accepting world, where ignorant people devoid of empathy didn't latch on to any excuse to call a homosexual a "scumbag" or attack them in some way, there would be nobody who endures what she endured.

But go on with your bad empathizing self by making damned sure that more people end up like her. It's sure to work.

OscarB63 · Apr 30, 2013

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Tucker Case said:
The first active player form any of the big four American team sports.

well...technically, he is not an "active player". his contract with the Wizards ended with the season, so he is currently an unsigned free agent. but let's not let details derail a good media hype.

Dr. Chuckles · Apr 30, 2013

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Tucker Case said:
No, that's the excuse he is using for the purposes of this context.

No, he clearly cited it earlier

see http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ering-landscape-sports-22.html#post1061752372

Hicup has been very clear about his feelings on homosexuality in the past. My assessment is not based on this thread, but his entire body of work over the course of hundreds of posts on the topic.

he may be a homophobic, but that doesn't make everything he says about the guy homophobic. I suggest looking up the genetic fallacy

OscarB63 · Apr 30, 2013

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Tucker Case said:
No, I am noting that the only reason to criticize his career in this context is if one is a homophobe seeking to denigrate him.

like I said...anyone who criticises him is a homophobe. their support for gays regarding marriage, military service, etc counts for nothing.

Quite a different thing to those of us who are actually capable of comprehending what we read.

yes, those of you who are capable of comprehending only what you want to see in what you read....

Tucker Case · Apr 30, 2013

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Dr. Chuckles said:
well, a big part of the story is the impact it will have on his career. hence people started discussing his career.

Ah, you seem to have missed the thread. In the third post a person who has admitted to having no interest in basketball and has demonstrated distinct homophobic behaviors in teh past decided to speculate about his career.

Try reading the thread before responding. It helps.

Yet, oddly, you can't argue he did not. Which is why the argument, again, rings hollow

I can't argue something I have no reason to argue, no. Why is that confusing you? Oh yeah, beacause you have made up a new reality and pretended it was true. Silly me.

well, I am unsure how else to describe you actions here

Accurately would be the first step. To do that, you would have to make an effort to understand, which would require knowledge, which would require NOT inventing **** and pretending it was true.

which amounted to responding to criticism of his career (that you seemingly can't address) by calling people homophobic.

Again, don't make things up in order to pretend you comprehended what you read. That's where you keep ****ing up.

Dr. Chuckles · Apr 30, 2013

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Tucker Case said:
No, I am noting that the only reason to criticize his career in this context is if one is a homophobe seeking to denigrate him.

Yes, if you continue to ignore the impact it will have on his career is a big aspect of the story, even in the media

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