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Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sports

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Why else would someone criticize his playing career in this context?

because he is being held up as something he is not. there is nothing "landscape of sports altering" about an aging, mediocre at best player at the end of his career "coming out". Does anyone seriously believe that this is going to encourage young guys just starting out to "come out"?
 
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Why else would someone criticize his playing career in this context?

Who cares if he played great or he played ****ty? What the **** does it matter when the actual subject is that he is a professional athlete (a fact unaffected by the perceptions of the quality of his career) who has come out (also a fact where his statlines are irrelevant).

The only reason to bring up his stat line in this context is to denigrate him in some way. Why would people do that in this context? Look at who is doing it and the answer becomes clear. Lo and behold, the critics of Collins who have suddenly become basketball experts have almost universally expressed some extremely homophobic comments in the past.

I just happen to really hate basketball in general.
 
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I just happen to really hate basketball in general.

Dumbest sport on the planet bar none! :)


Tim-
 
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So you want your faggot players to be superstars?

If you are going to hold them up as shining examples of "altering the landscape of sport" ....yes.
 
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because he is being held up as something he is not.

He's not a professional basketball player now?

Does anyone seriously believe that this is going to encourage young guys just starting out to "come out"?

Hopefully. That's why teh homophobes come out screeching about how horrible of a player he is. They are hoping to dissuade other players from being inspired by him because, well golly gosh darn, we can't have them pesky faggots gettin' uppity and thinking they are people now.
 
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he was a terrible player. the fact that he is gay is irrelevent.

In other headline-making, earth shattering, landscape of sport altering news... NASCAR pit crew tire changer Christmas Abbott comes out and admits she is female ;)

You don't stick around for 12 seasons in the nba and make 33 million over your career by being a terrible player. His raw box score stats aren't there, but from an analytics standpoint he's actually a plus-minus monster due to his defense. No, he's not a superstar. He's not even good at scoring or rebounding. But he did make a difference on the court. I'd say it's a 50-50 tossup that he's back in an NBA uniform next season.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

Why else would someone criticize his playing career in this context?

because people noted the perceived impact it would have on his career


The only reason to bring up his stat line in this context is to denigrate him in some way. Why would people do that in this context?

If you wanted to out them as just homophobic then would the best route be proving that he did have a good career? I mean, that way you could actually show they were wrong about their assessment of it, as opposed to simply going "homophobia" as if it were some PC totem of doom
 
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4.) i agree to a point but some people simply dont care about their bigotry

No doubt this is true but, then there are those who you might think are bigoted when they actually they could care less what you do under the sheets [so to speak]
 
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So you want your faggot players to be superstars?

Particularly if they play for the Bears or Cubs. I don't want no chumps on my team, straight or gay!
 
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Dumbest sport on the planet bar none! :)


Tim-

I think it's slightly better than soccer.
 
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If you are going to hold them up as shining examples of "altering the landscape of sport" ....yes.

He did alter the landscape of sports. A landscape that had no openly gay players in it now has one openly gay player in it.
 
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I think it's slightly better than soccer.

Soccer is a nightmare dog from the depths of Hell.
 
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He did alter the landscape of sports. A landscape that had no openly gay players in it now has one openly gay player in it.

So he's the equivalent of someone who posts "first" in threads on the internet?
 
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You don't stick around for 12 seasons in the nba and make 33 million over your career by being a terrible player. His raw box score stats aren't there, but from an analytics standpoint he's actually a plus-minus monster due to his defense. No, he's not a superstar. He's not even good at scoring or rebounding. But he did make a difference on the court. I'd say it's a 50-50 tossup that he's back in an NBA uniform next season.

no one in the NBA is a "terrible player" or else they wouldn't be there. he is only terrible in comparison to other NBA players.

Ryan Sims: played Defensive Tackle in the NFL, avg $2 million per year, recorded 8.5 sacks and zero big plays. by all accounts one of the 100 worst players in the history of the NFL.

by any measure of the game a "terrible" player and yet he managed to hang around for 11 years. :shrug:
 
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So he's the equivalent of someone who posts "first" in threads on the internet?

bazinga......
 
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1.)The people in the locker rooms are doing exactly as I said they will. Some will make noise, others will accept, others won't care. Those fractions will change in time, regardless of this dude or not, and more and more will likely at least start to not care, others learning to accept, and we'd likely see a decline in time over those making noise. That's it.

2.)There was no emotion.
3.)The specific thing I'm pointing to is that while you may want this to be something ground breaking and you want it to be this monumental event; it's not. It's media hype and overplay.
4.) The landscape of sports IS NOT going to change, well not because of this one dude anyway.
5.) It will do exactly as I said above as that was the natural progression anyway.
6.) You want it to be something it's not.
7.) You're the one saying it's going to be different, that we're changing the landscape.
8.) But there will be no change in slope of the derivative function, no discontinuity in attitude or acceptance; just the standard normal trend.

1.) so there will be a change based on this :shrug:
2.) well i certainly can not tell you how you feel but your post doesnt seem to support that but if you say so i got nothing else to go on
3.) "I" dont want it to be anything more than what i think it is and that is possible the first openly gay pro-athlete and thats awesome.
And as far as what i think/want it to be and what you think/want it to be that just your opinion.
4.) that remains to be seen.
5.) we will never know this now since this happened, its already changed and impacted, we could debate how much and to what to what degree though.

I think its awesome, beyond that, I dont know what it is. Id love to know how you come to any of these made up conclusions lol

YOU want me to think that so YOU can tell me its not something LOL
6.) wrong again "I" havent said much about me that even supports what you claim LOL ive laid out the reality of peoples reaction. Try again and try to talk about things actually being discussed.
7.) wrong again i said it has the potential and that many people think it will, again please keep up
8.) again just your opinion and you dont possible know that, no one can.

so again what are you trying to sell me on? is there some facts that im missing?

Thanks for you opinion though many more have opinions that disagree.
 
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He's not a professional basketball player now?



Hopefully. That's why teh homophobes come out screeching about how horrible of a player he is. They are hoping to dissuade other players from being inspired by him because, well golly gosh darn, we can't have them pesky faggots gettin' uppity and thinking they are people now.

I wonder how his female "basketball" girl friend feels about his courage? I wonder if female basketball's landscape will be altered in any way? Oh crap, they're all gay anyway, aren't they? I guess all sports will be altered by this scum bags courage. A big percentage of female basketball players, and golf I might add are already out and proud, why should we be celebrating this douche bags outing? The love people are showing this guy for his courage is amazing? Where's all of our female members? I wonder what their opinions are of what he did to this poor woman, Moos?


Tim-
 
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because people noted the perceived impact it would have on his career

It's just a phenomenally strange coincidence then that those people were virulently anti-gay, many of whom don't give a **** about basketball at all until this topic arose, then.


If you wanted to out them as just homophobic then would the best route be proving that he did have a good career?

They've already out themselves as homophobic. I'm merely noting they they happen to be the peopel who have taken this opportunity to criticize his career.

I mean, that way you could actually show they were wrong about their assessment of it, as opposed to simply going "homophobia" as if it were some PC totem of doom

Why would I be interested in disproving their assessment of his career? Their perception about the quality of his career has absolutely no relevancy to his coming out of the closet.
 
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So he's the equivalent of someone who posts "first" in threads on the internet?

Exactly like that except different in every meaningful way.

Nobody ever killed themselves because they were afraid to post in an internet thread.
 
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There's that homophobia. :lol:

Ha, nice try on the homophobia fail, Tucky. :)

I'm concerned about his poor girlfriend is all. Why is he so courageous in your mind? What kind of guy strings a woman along for 7 years, count them seven freaking years of her life wasted away while this turd was making up his mind what he was.

But hey, if that's the kinda thing that get your support, then I applaud your courage for standing up for him.


Tim-
 
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He did alter the landscape of sports. A landscape that had no openly gay players in it now has one openly gay player in it.

Huh? A bunch of tennis players came out decades ago. Swimming, skating, former NFL players have come out. He was not the first. Now if we're talking about folks who alter the landscape, there was Renee Richards back in 75.
 
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Would it be homophobic to say that one is suffering from "Gay News Fatigue?"
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

Exactly like that except different in every meaningful way.

Nobody ever killed themselves because they were afraid to post in an internet thread.

I personally have zero sympathy for ANYONE that offs themselves. The reasons are immaterial in my mind.


Tim-
 
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