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Officials found guilty in Obama, Clinton ballot petition fraud

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It seems like this kind of stuff is becoming common place with a certain political party, but does the main stream news media give a damn?


Officials found guilty in Obama, Clinton ballot petition fraud
By Eric Shawn
Published April 26, 2013
FoxNews.com

A jury in South Bend, Indiana has found that fraud put President Obama and Hillary Clinton on the presidential primary ballot in Indiana in the 2008 election. Two Democratic political operatives were convicted Thursday night in the illegal scheme after only three hours of deliberations. They were found guilty on all counts.

Former longtime St. Joseph County Democratic party Chairman Butch Morgan Jr. was found guilty of felony conspiracy counts to commit petition fraud and forgery, and former county Board of Elections worker Dustin Blythe was found guilty of felony forgery counts and falsely making a petition, after being accused of faking petitions that enabled Obama, then an Illinois Senator, to get on the presidential primary ballot for his first run for the White House.

Officials found guilty in Obama, Clinton ballot petition fraud | Fox News
 
it doesn't make any difference.
 
Good. Looks like the criminal justice system has done it's job. It would be wrong and unfair though to claim or say that all Democrats are guilty of this or infer that Clinton or Obama had anything to do with it.
 
"I think this helped uphold the integrity of the electoral system," the prosecutor, Stan Levco told reporters.

“Their verdict of guilt is not a verdict against Democrats, but for honest and fair elections,” he said.

Read more: Officials found guilty in Obama, Clinton ballot petition fraud | Fox News

Good news: This fraud was uncovered.
Bad news: It's five years after the fact.

could having uncovered the fraud back in '08 have affected the outcome of the election? No way to know now, is there?
 
Good news: This fraud was uncovered.
Bad news: It's five years after the fact.

could having uncovered the fraud back in '08 have affected the outcome of the election? No way to know now, is there?

Exactly, this is like when the SCOTUS declared Lincoln's move to suspend habeas unconstitutional - but they waited until AFTER the Civil War to do so. When it no longer mattered.
 
The only people on the ballot in 2008 for the Democratic primary were Clinton and Obama, I'm just wondering how it would have looked it there was no one on the ballot. Weird.
 
I wonder if they dug back 75 years how many of these kind of shenanagins they would discover?

I pretty much equate all politics to a systematic form of corruption. Synonymous.

Here's my "shocked" look.

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The only people on the ballot in 2008 for the Democratic primary were Clinton and Obama, I'm just wondering how it would have looked it there was no one on the ballot. Weird.

If the GOP has their way with their redrawing of district lines and other gerrymandering efforts coupled with making it harder for democrat type people to vote, it may not matter if there is a democrat on the ticket or not.
 
Good news: This fraud was uncovered.
Bad news: It's five years after the fact.

could having uncovered the fraud back in '08 have affected the outcome of the election? No way to know now, is there?

It wouldn't have affected the outcome, Clinton won Indiana
 
If the GOP has their way with their redrawing of district lines and other gerrymandering efforts coupled with making it harder for democrat type people to vote, it may not matter if there is a democrat on the ticket or not.

Gerrymandering isn't just a GOP thing.

Illinois's 4th district takes two separate Hispanic neighborhoods and lumps them together via a stretch of road, the district boundary is literally no wider than the road itself

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And Republicans

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By dividing the city of Austin between three separate districts they can ensure that the democratic voters of Austin can't elect a democratic congressman in any of them.
 
Since this is a local story and what these officials didnt affect anything (they would have gotten the required signatures), I don't see why the national press would get involved.

Of course not Pete... Their actions put both Obama and Clinton on the state ballot for the 2008 presidential election... Nothing "national" about that.
 
It wouldn't have affected the outcome, Clinton won Indiana

A political scandal happening during the election and involving the Democratic Party wouldn't have affected the outcome?

How can you be so sure?
 
Of course not Pete... Their actions put both Obama and Clinton on the state ballot for the 2008 presidential election... Nothing "national" about that.
Are you really saying that 100-200 signatures between them is what put them over the top? REALLY?
 
A political scandal happening during the election and involving the Democratic Party wouldn't have affected the outcome?

How can you be so sure?

I'm not even sure it would have been a scandal, it was during a primary so its not like any Republican interests were involved, plus if neither qualified for the ballot it probably would have been more scandalous to offer voters a ballot with just a write-in slot and no names, Illinois has an open primary so its not just democrats voting. Plus this was a forgery to get people on a ballot it wasn't cheating on the actual votes. And lastly considering all the normal "voter fraud" stories and "scandals" that appear during an election and are used by both sides, I don't think this one would have been used because its not as scandalous as the other stories.

Not to say what they did wasnt wrong but I dont see it being a game changer

Of course not Pete... Their actions put both Obama and Clinton on the state ballot for the 2008 presidential election... Nothing "national" about that.

No it was the primary not the actual presidential election
 
The point is that for every one they know about there are far more that have gotten away with it.

I had Heard all through the 2012 election that election fraud didn't exist so there was no reason to do anything about it.

It looks like it does exist.
 
Are you really saying that 100-200 signatures between them is what put them over the top? REALLY?

I said nothing of the kind... You claimed this was nothing but a local story, and I refuted that.
 
I'm not even sure it would have been a scandal, it was during a primary so its not like any Republican interests were involved, plus if neither qualified for the ballot it probably would have been more scandalous to offer voters a ballot with just a write-in slot and no names, Illinois has an open primary so its not just democrats voting. Plus this was a forgery to get people on a ballot it wasn't cheating on the actual votes. And lastly considering all the normal "voter fraud" stories and "scandals" that appear during an election and are used by both sides, I don't think this one would have been used because its not as scandalous as the other stories.

Not to say what they did wasnt wrong but I dont see it being a game changer



No it was the primary not the actual presidential election

There's no way to know now, of course, but I still see this being blown up into something much bigger than it was, incriminating by association the Democratic Party and its presidential nominee, perhaps with a slick ad campaign calling into question whether Obama was even legitimately on the ballot at all. None of that has to be real, you understand, just ammunition to use in the mud slinging campaigns that presidential elections have come to be.
 
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