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Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

Gaugingcatenate said:
1. Not an arguable statement with the understanding that all rights are not absolute, each has a limit.
2. No, that is in conflict with your statement number one. Certain groups should not be afforded special rights created out nothing, do not get to trample on one's religious beliefs and freedoms...
3. Hardly, but delusions are free...
3A. So, lets make it simple, do away with legal protection for children... yeah, that is smart...
3B. Yet you assume I care what your opinion of mine is then, huh? too funny.
4. You were the one talking minority rights were you not? Then you would not stand up for child abusers, isn't that just a little bigoted, not very progressive of you...
Just because the SC says it doesn't make it right nor permanent... Plessy v Feguson... did that hold up, was it correct?
5. Take out the "c" ... you stated fat, overweight ungainly statements having lots of empty calories... you cannot always rely on saying that is your opinion, especially when trumped with logic...or proof, evidence, and yes, "real facts".... and a good debate is always fun...
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1.) i agree its not arguable because its TRUE lol
2.) its not special thats simply your opinions
3.) nope its factually your opinion, thats a fact and nothing more LOL
3a.) nobody said this :shrug: strawman
3b.) no that wasnt my point only the fact that these two examples prove your opinion wrong or at the very best am opinion and nothing else
4.) nope you are wrong again, when i referred to minority rights i was referring to cases that already happened i was specific and didnt use it in blanket form no matter how many times you try to push this lie LOL

and you will always get laughed at when you compare equal rights for gays with child raping, again analogies have to make sense. Your dishonesty is dually noted
5.) I agree but you havent provided any factual logic, proof, or evidence, i have LMAO You have only found ways to state strawmen, post things that are factually incorrect and tell me your feelings :shrug:
 
AGENT J said:
1.) LMAO this is a bold face lie, you havent ask me anything.
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You haven't addressed anything I've said directly beyond LOL

if you disagree please by all means prove you didnt lie, link what i dodged, I cant wait so i can laugh again :)
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You're still dodging

2.) yes it is comical and embarrassing watching fail and lie, i agree :)
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Dodge noted

3.) based on nothing but your opinion
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Gay Marriage has never been real marriage in the history of mankind. The definition of marriage has always been man + woman. It is the oldest and most well known notion in history. That makes it more than my opinion. The union between a man and a woman is probably the oldest tradition within the Human Race. Thanks for playing though.

4.) state supreme court justices call it an equal right, so again your opinion is meaningless
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State Supreme Court Justices are humans with opinions in black robes. They aren't Gods. Gays aren't asking for an equal right anyways. They are asking for a special right to change the definition of marriage from man + woman to man + ? or woman + ?. Try again

5.) false SCOTUS disagrees with you and has said so at least 14 different times in CASES
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...fter-gay-marriage-vote-21.html#post1061742356
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So SCOTUS will probably vote against Gay Marriage. Good to know. If it passes, other groups who want the same right based upon sexual behavior will argue for that "right". Gays are not a special class of people with special rights in this country. Having special rights is not equality.

your OPINION is again meaningless
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Yet you keep replying :lol:

6.) gay marriage already exists so nothing will change they will just make it protected by federal law, you are wrong again LOL
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Laws can be overturned. The biological realities will never be changed. You can't dispute the FACT that gays are demanding the special right to change the definition of marriage from man + woman to man + ? or woman + ?. Taking your ball, going home, and screaming LOL doesn't change that fact. If gays get the special right to change the definition of marriage to fit their needs, other groups who want to "marry" are going to demand it too. Gay Marriage is just another step down to nihilism.

7.) this strawman is always a complete failure. "sexually behavior" we arent discussing just behaviors LMAO
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Homosexuality is a behavior. Not a race. You're only calling it a strawman because you are unable to refute the FACT that marriage has always been an institution with specific social and economic purposes. Gay Marriage serves no purpose beyond the emotional and selfish purposes of homosexuals. They want something and are throwing a temper tantrum until they get it. I would like to join an all female gym but that doesn't mean the gym is going to let me join.

8.) another lie, history proves you wrong and so does reality today
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Oh hey another dodge. When you have no argument you call it and lie and engage in an ad hominem. I have never seen you do this before. Just kidding :lol:

9.) again, nothing more than your opinion supported by ZERO facts LMAO
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You are incapable of real debate. When you can't counter an argument saying, " That's your opinion LMAO" doesn't cut it. For any future responses feel free to reference this post and any previous posts.

Gay Marriage is not real Marriage.

It never will be.

Have a great day :2wave:
 
clownboy said:
Sounds like a pity party where you want to blame everyone else because you won't get off you own ass. If you want "the rights and protections it would afford my family" that IS equality. And I've never been called to the table period, so compromise with what? The folks who want something from the political system generally work for it from the local upward. Heck, CA and many states have the initiative process. The so-called bluest state and not once was there an initiative for civil unions. If you can't even collect enough signatures in the blue state of CA then it's time to hang up your spurs.
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Meh. We aren't getting anywhere. Clearly the whole "compromise" thing is just a ruse now that same sex marriage is gaining steam. If you were real about it and cared, you would be taking your own advice. Nah, I have no problem moving to a state where same sex marriage is legal in time and letting the chips fall where they may. I might even move to Canada. This whole debate is tasteless beyond belief. I'm sick of this contempt and paranoia that your side oozes. If simply stating that I want a better life for my family is a "pity party" then there is no common civil ground we can discuss this issue.

Oh...and uh...there are states and localities that have civil unions because of gay rights advocates...so uh...inform yourself better before speaking dude.
 
tererun said:
So you are trying to tell us that in order for gays to get marriage rights they should be put through horrible abuses first. Somehow i think that even after they do that it still won't be good enough for you.
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Gay Marriage is not a "Right" anymore than a father marrying his son is a "Right"
 
Bronson said:
The definition of marriage has always been man + woman. It is the oldest and most well known notion in history.
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Two different Roman emperors married men.

I guess the word "always" has different meanings for me and you.
 
Bronson said:
1.)You haven't addressed anything I've said directly beyond LOL



2.)You're still dodging



3.)Dodge noted



4.)Gay Marriage has never been real marriage in the history of mankind. The definition of marriage has always been man + woman. It is the oldest and most well known notion in history. That makes it more than my opinion. The union between a man and a woman is probably the oldest tradition within the Human Race. Thanks for playing though.



5.)State Supreme Court Justices are humans with opinions in black robes. They aren't Gods. Gays aren't asking for an equal right anyways. They are asking for a special right to change the definition of marriage from man + woman to man + ? or woman + ?. Try again



6.)So SCOTUS will probably vote against Gay Marriage. Good to know. If it passes, other groups who want the same right based upon sexual behavior will argue for that "right". Gays are not a special class of people with special rights in this country. Having special rights is not equality.



7.)Yet you keep replying



8.)Laws can be overturned. The biological realities will never be changed. You can't dispute the FACT that gays are demanding the special right to change the definition of marriage from man + woman to man + ? or woman + ?. Taking your ball, going home, and screaming LOL doesn't change that fact. If gays get the special right to change the definition of marriage to fit their needs, other groups who want to "marry" are going to demand it too. Gay Marriage is just another step down to nihilism.



9.)Homosexuality is a behavior. Not a race. You're only calling it a strawman because you are unable to refute the FACT that marriage has always been an institution with specific social and economic purposes. Gay Marriage serves no purpose beyond the emotional and selfish purposes of homosexuals. They want something and are throwing a temper tantrum until they get it. I would like to join an all female gym but that doesn't mean the gym is going to let me join.



Oh hey another dodge. When you have no argument you call it and lie and engage in an ad hominem. I have never seen you do this before. Just kidding



You are incapable of real debate. When you can't counter an argument saying, " That's your opinion LMAO" doesn't cut it. For any future responses feel free to reference this post and any previous posts.

Gay Marriage is not real Marriage.

It never will be.

Have a great day :2wave:
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1.) lie, i have
2.) lie #2 you dind task me anything i have nothign to dodge AGAIN if you disagree by all means just quote what i dodged, LMAO prove it, you will fail
3.) at this point you are only proving to us you dont know what that word means LMAO
4.) Opinion, its legal marriage in some states right now, thats a simply fact. You lose :shrug:
5.) your opinion and not a fact, you lose again. lol
6.) as the linkpproved you are lying its not a special right :shrug: you fail again lol
7.) yep to point out that FACTS ;)
8.) not a fact, just your opinion that has already been proven wrong. Feel free to keep this opinion though but thats all it ever will be and i like that it bothers you and YOU are throwing a temper tantrum wanting people to think your "feelings and opinions are facts LMAO they are not
9.) it this lie was true and this logic was true then heterosexuality is just a behavior and they currently have "special rights" LMAO
you fail again sorry you cant have both ways your opinion loses to facts and logic again
10.) except what i said is a fact thats way you chose to deflect instead of dispute it
11.) saying its your opinion cuts it fine because those are FACTS

the debate is easy to win with you because you proclaim something as true or factual when its not

we all thank you for your OPINION but as you stated it, your opinion is factually 100% wrong, this will always cause me to have a great day:2wave:
please lets us know when you have any fact to support your lies, false claims and opinions, i cant wait LOL
 
Bronson said:
Gay Marriage has never been real marriage in the history of mankind.
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But it is now, in lots of places. And it's expanding. And it's not going away.

Those who are frightened about it are going to have to face the facts sooner or later.



Gays are not a special class of people with special rights in this country.
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That's correct; nor are they asking for "special rights."

Having special rights is not equality.
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Agreed. Fortunately, it's not at issue in any way.
 
CriticalThought said:
Meh. We aren't getting anywhere. Clearly the whole "compromise" thing is just a ruse now that same sex marriage is gaining steam. If you were real about it and cared, you would be taking your own advice. Nah, I have no problem moving to a state where same sex marriage is legal in time and letting the chips fall where they may. I might even move to Canada. This whole debate is tasteless beyond belief. I'm sick of this contempt and paranoia that your side oozes. If simply stating that I want a better life for my family is a "pity party" then there is no common civil ground we can discuss this issue.

Oh...and uh...there are states and localities that have civil unions because of gay rights advocates...so uh...inform yourself better before speaking dude.
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Of course we aren't getting anywhere, you've retreated to the "your side/my side" arguments. You're talking to someone who has always supported civil unions equal to marriage. And I agree the whole debate is tasteless - I'm personally offended when the express will of the people in their state's constitution is overridden by a few courts. I'm sick of "your side" throwing your sexuality in my children's and grandchildren's faces (and no, I'm not okay with the hetero sexualization of kids either).

Wanting a better life for your family is not a pity party, sitting on your kiester and complaining about it endlessly IS.

Inform yourself, what states have established equal to marriage civil unions (something YOU asserted doesn't exist) through initiative?
 
clownboy said:
Of course we aren't getting anywhere, you've retreated to the "your side/my side" arguments. You're talking to someone who has always supported civil unions equal to marriage. And I agree the whole debate is tasteless - I'm personally offended when the express will of the people in their state's constitution is overridden by a few courts. I'm sick of "your side" throwing your sexuality in my children's and grandchildren's faces (and no, I'm not okay with the hetero sexualization of kids either).

Wanting a better life for your family is not a pity party, sitting on your kiester and complaining about it endlessly IS.

Inform yourself, what states have established equal to marriage civil unions (something YOU asserted doesn't exist) through initiative?
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Dude, go back and read your posts. The entire time I have been speaking to you it has been "the gays refuse to compromise and are forcing their way". You really can't take responsibility for anything. It is sad.

There is no such thing as "equal to marriage civil unions" because the federal government does not recognize civil unions. Washington state was close. The voters affirmed both civil unions and later same sex marriage.
 
CriticalThought said:
Dude, go back and read your posts. The entire time I have been speaking to you it has been "the gays refuse to compromise and are forcing their way". You really can't take responsibility for anything. It is sad.
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You've obviously been reading what I post through blinders that won't allow you to see anything that gets in the way of what you want and now. I don't believe I've even used the word "compromise" in this thread other than to respond to YOUR use of the word. Equal to marriage civil unions are not a compromise - they're a solution, a solution that "your side" abandoned and thus IMO (I'm entitled to an opinion) has keep them from the real equality they're supposedly seeking. In fact I'll go further to say, if the SCOTUS doesn't back your play this time, "your side" may have just screwed the pooch permanently.
 
clownboy said:
You've obviously been reading what I post through blinders that won't allow you to see anything that gets in the way of what you want and now. I don't believe I've even used the word "compromise" in this thread other than to respond to YOUR use of the word. Equal to marriage civil unions are not a compromise - they're a solution, a solution that "your side" abandoned and thus IMO (I'm entitled to an opinion) has keep them from the real equality they're supposedly seeking. In fact I'll go further to say, if the SCOTUS doesn't back your play this time, "your side" may have just screwed the pooch permanently.
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You have done an excellent job convincing me I do not want your "solution". If you are serious about it then perhaps you should review your tactics.
 
clownboy said:
You've obviously been reading what I post through blinders that won't allow you to see anything that gets in the way of what you want and now. I don't believe I've even used the word "compromise" in this thread other than to respond to YOUR use of the word. Equal to marriage civil unions are not a compromise - they're a solution, a solution that "your side" abandoned and thus IMO (I'm entitled to an opinion) has keep them from the real equality they're supposedly seeking. In fact I'll go further to say, if the SCOTUS doesn't back your play this time, "your side" may have just screwed the pooch permanently.
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1.) no such thing as equal to marriage civil unions its no possible
2.) since one is true its not a "solution" because the problem of inequality would still exist.
 
clownboy said:
Of course we aren't getting anywhere, you've retreated to the "your side/my side" arguments. You're talking to someone who has always supported civil unions equal to marriage. And I agree the whole debate is tasteless - I'm personally offended when the express will of the people in their state's constitution is overridden by a few courts. I'm sick of "your side" throwing your sexuality in my children's and grandchildren's faces (and no, I'm not okay with the hetero sexualization of kids either).

Wanting a better life for your family is not a pity party, sitting on your kiester and complaining about it endlessly IS.

Inform yourself, what states have established equal to marriage civil unions (something YOU asserted doesn't exist) through initiative?
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If it is equal why can't it be called marriage?
 
CriticalThought said:
You have done an excellent job convincing me I do not want your "solution". If you are serious about it then perhaps you should review your tactics.
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Fine, you aren't after equality, we get it. That last sentence applies to your desires in this far more than mine. I've not got near the investment in this issue you do.
 
winston53660 said:
If it is equal why can't it be called marriage?
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If it's equal why the need to call it marriage? Question goes both ways. The answer is obvious if you're not blinded by bias.
 
Strucker said:
Apparently, some people "own" certain words, and feel a little stingy about sharing.
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Indeed, take out the sarcasm and the assinine characterization and there you have your answer.
 
clownboy said:
Fine, you aren't after equality, we get it. That last sentence applies to your desires in this far more than mine. I've not got near the investment in this issue you do.
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I do not want equality. I want the security marriage provides. You refuse to understand me or other gay people and demand to be understood. That is your mistake. I have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
 
clownboy said:
Indeed, take out the sarcasm and there you have your answer.
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If your answer boils down to "ownership" of a word, then you've already lost.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) no such thing as equal to marriage civil unions its no possible
2.) since one is true its not a "solution" because the problem of inequality would still exist.
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Nonsense, all it takes is state and federal legislation. The federal legislation doesn't have to go over one paragraph. One is not true so that invalidates number two.
 
clownboy said:
If it's equal why the need to call it marriage? Question goes both ways. The answer is obvious if you're not blinded by bias.
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No the question doesn't go both ways. If it were equal heterosexuals could call theirs a civil union or a marriage and homosexuals could call theirs a civil union or a marriage.
 
CriticalThought said:
I do not want equality. I want the security marriage provides. You refuse to understand me or other gay people and demand to be understood. That is your mistake. I have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
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What security do you gain by having the title? Sounds like you're backtracking your argument - you've denied that it was about social acceptance.

And as I've been reminding you, you DO have something to lose - legal homosexual marriage and the benefits of such.

Look, I'd like to see you and your family have all the benefits that hetero life partners have. Is that my mistake?
 
clownboy said:
Nonsense, all it takes is state and federal legislation. The federal legislation doesn't have to go over one paragraph. One is not true so that invalidates number two.
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separate but equal is factually not equal history has has been proven fact.
feel free to believe the lie if you like but you are factually wrong:shrug: try again

even foe MORE support that you are wrong legal precedence has already been set showing how civil unions and domestic partnerships are as legal binding and concrete.

Sorry your opinion loses to history and facts.
 
winston53660 said:
No the question doesn't go both ways. If it were equal heterosexuals could call theirs a civil union or a marriage and homosexuals could call theirs a civil union or a marriage.
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Where are you getting that from? The transitive property doesn't always apply in politics or social acceptance.
 
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