Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

zstep18 said:

The definition of "marriage" needs to be changed. Plain as that.

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ill simply never understand why some people are so against equality, its so weird, pompous and hypocritical to me especially since its discrimination against your fellow americans but something simply arent meant to be understood.

Bonzai said:

You need to be reminded that it was the Right which, when faced with the reality that mass murder was no longer feasible, bludgeoned gay people into establishing mock straight relationships in the first place...............Before 1980 "gay marriage" was unheard of.......................

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Please tell me that was tongue in cheek. Haven't heard a more hyperbolic statement in some time now.

clownboy said:

1.)Why in the world do you think that?
2.)How is it that they cannot be made equal?
3.)We're talking in a strictly legal sense here you understand that, right?
4.)You cannot successfully legislate social acceptance. Even if we could, that's a very dangerous path to follow.

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1.) because of facts
2.) history proves this
3.) yes i understand
4.) i know nor do i want to nor did i suggest that :shrug:

clownboy said:

Please tell me that was tongue in cheek. Haven't heard a more hyperbolic statement in some time now.

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Is it hyperbole, or have you grown inured to the truth ?............................Or maybe just uncomfortable with it ?...................

AGENT J said:

ill simply never understand why some people are so against equality, its so weird, pompous and hypocritical to me especially since its discrimination against your fellow americans but something simply arent meant to be understood.

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That's just it, it's so obviously NOT about equality, not in a legal/state sense - as noted it's about social acceptance. It would come a lot easier if you didn't feel the need to hang ill-fitting labels on people who disagree with your methods. In any event, no amount of legislation is going to get you what you want.

clownboy said:

1.)That's just it, it's so obviously NOT about equality, not in a legal/state sense - as noted it's about social acceptance.
2.)It would come a lot easier if you didn't feel the need to hang ill-fitting labels on people who disagree with your methods.
3.) In any event, no amount of legislation is going to get you what you want.

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1.) if you say so but i see no real evidence of that anywhere, especially by the majority of equal rights supporters
2.) where did i do that? you are guessing and guessing wrong.

i dont care who disagrees with my methods LOL
i dont car if people preach, teach, feel, think that gay is gross, a sin, repulsive etc. I would fight and defend that right also

but theres no reason to STOP and FIGHT AGAINST equal rights :shrug:

3.) LMAO 100% wrong because all i want is equality and thats coming

but please feel free to make more stuff up, its entertaining

Bonzai said:

Is it hyperbole, or have you grown inured to the truth ?............................Or maybe just uncomfortable with it ?...................

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What you posted is neither the truth nor is it anywhere close to accurate.

Originally Posted by Bonzai
You need to be reminded that it was the Right which, when faced with the reality that mass murder was no longer feasible, bludgeoned gay people into establishing mock straight relationships in the first place...............Before 1980 "gay marriage" was unheard of.......................

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It wasn't the "right", America has gone through multiple phases of division in it's history and they were not always "right" and "left" divisions. That's a more modern evolution of the American political landscape. Prior to the 1900s people had a ton of privacy to do what they wanted with whom they wanted, but where it came to public life, and general sentiment, no one accepted homosexuality, of ANY political persuasion.

Further, what's this mass murder bull****?

AGENT J said:

1.) if you say so but i see no real evidence of that anywhere, especially by the majority of equal rights supporters
2.) where did i do that? you are guessing and guessing wrong.

i dont care who disagrees with my methods LOL
i dont car if people preach, teach, feel, think that gay is gross, a sin, repulsive etc. I would fight and defend that right also

but theres no reason to STOP and FIGHT AGAINST equal rights :shrug:

3.) LMAO 100% wrong because all i want is equality and thats coming

but please feel free to make more stuff up, its entertaining

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Good luck with that, I wouldn't want to interrupt your chicken counting. :mrgreen:

clownboy said:

Good luck with that, I wouldn't want to interrupt your chicken counting. :mrgreen:

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yep thats what i thought.
thanks
good luck with your fantasies

clownboy said:

What you posted is neither the truth nor is it anywhere close to accurate.



It wasn't the "right", America has gone through multiple phases of division in it's history and they were not always "right" and "left" divisions. That's a more modern evolution of the American political landscape. Prior to the 1900s people had a ton of privacy to do what they wanted with whom they wanted, but where it came to public life, and general sentiment, no one accepted homosexuality, of ANY political persuasion.

Further, what's this mass murder bull****?

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In reply to your last question, I would venture to guess the only reason the Englishspeaking world held back from that "solution" was that the Germans have recently given such "purification" rituals a bad name............. And I lived thru the 80's, I don't need you to tell me there is a very narrow margin between the Right and the Left in this country.....................

AGENT J said:

yep thats what i thought.
thanks
good luck with your fantasies

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Mine, I didn't express any. It was YOU who expressed yours as if they were already reality. I prefer for reality to happen before I count on it. "The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men, Gang aft agley".

Gay Marriage isn't real marriage

It never will be

Bonzai said:

In reply to your last question, I would venture to guess the only reason the Englishspeaking world held back from that "solution" was that the Germans have recently given such "purification" rituals a bad name............. And I lived thru the 80's, I don't need you to tell me there is a very narrow margin between the Right and the Left in this country.....................

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Oh, you're referring to the Holocaust, fair enough, Hitler went after the homosexuals as well as the Rom and the Jews and a few others. That was for a slightly different reason than you suggest, he was into applied eugenics.

And you are misunderstanding, I didn't say there's a slim margin between the right and left, I said that there's not always been a right and left division, sometimes we've been divided strictly on one or two current issues. Again, you're viewing the past through present conditions, that's going to yield oddball results.

clownboy said:

Oh, you're referring to the Holocaust, fair enough, Hitler went after the homosexuals as well as the Rom and the Jews and a few others. That was for a slightly different reason than you suggest, he was into applied eugenics.

And you are misunderstanding, I didn't say there's a slim margin between the right and left, I said that there's not always been a right and left division, sometimes we've been divided strictly on one or two current issues. Again, you're viewing the past through present conditions, that's going to yield oddball results.

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I see the process of things as "one thing leads to another"...............From that perspective, it's all a continuum...................

clownboy said:

1.)Mine, I didn't express any.
2.)It was YOU who expressed yours as if they were already reality.
3.)I prefer for reality to happen before I count on it. "The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men, Gang aft agley".

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1.)yes you FACTUALLY do have fantasies LMAO
you have a fantasy that im not for equality, that is factually wrong LOL
you have a fantasy that i label people that disagree with my methods, that is factually wrong LOL

good luck with them

so tell me that cool line about reality again although you are factually wrong LMAO

2.) false, i didnt nothing of the sort
3.) yet you are already wrong with the fantasy you have now

Bronson said:

Gay Marriage isn't real marriage

It never will be

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and you will always be free to have that OPINION, even once equal rights is granted

AGENT J said:

1.) i didnt have to because you didnt either LMAO i just pointed how how the things you said didnt matter to facts and reality
2.) no i only numbered it
3.) oh on what will i ever do
4.) LMAO easy on the temper tantrum before you break your keyboard
5.) wow, you are so emotionally out there i don even think you know who you are talking too, you certainly dont know what you are talking about. Can you point out where i said im a libertarian?
6.) wait wait wait, so i have an argument now? i thought you said i made no points? jeez you are confused. Does gay rights always make you this angry or is that just who you are and angry person?
7.) LMAO where do you come up with this stuff , can you point out where i said they should? or who even where i mentioned doctors and scrubbing toilets?
you like to just make stuff up and go on random meaningless rants don't you?
8.) thanks for this opinion :shrug:

let mw know when you figure out what you are actually arguing about and who you are talking to LMAO

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What the **** is this?

You ever hear of a dissenting paragraph or do you just number ****?

Thank God for our Godless progressive public schools - they'll just number dissent attributes to an individuals opinion - then laugh at the idiots that can type and come up with a cognitive argument.... So much for the ****ing English language.

Now you're going to be ignored by me because you have absolutely zero understanding of anything, and the way you articulate yourself is unusual at best. I can respect dissenting debate, I can debate, however YOU - you're either drunk or insane (and I have had 7 beers).

How have you not been banned?

Mr.Nick said:

1.)What the **** is this?

2.)You ever hear of a dissenting paragraph or do you just number ****?

3.)Thank God for our Godless progressive public schools - they'll just number dissent attributes to an individuals opinion - then laugh at the idiots that can type and come up with a cognitive argument.... So much for the ****ing English language.

4.)Now you're going to be ignored by me because you have absolutely zero understanding of anything, and the way you articulate yourself is unusual at best. I can respect dissenting debate, I can debate, however YOU - you're either drunk or insane (and I have had 7 beers).

5.)How have you not been banned?

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1.) still angry huh? seems to be your MO
2.) i number stuff so you know exactly what im responding too, most people like it and its easier then breaking up posts in quotes
3.) still angry i see, you still have nothing to back up your false claims and you are still using failed insults LOL very predictable. I told you that you are entertaining
4.) this makes me happy that a poster like yourself feels this way. I like that i can make you throw a temper tanrum by exposing the lies you posted so instead of defeinding your lies you just cop out and run away

it lets me know im a good poster

5.) you have to violate the rules to do that :shrug:

let me know when you can back up your lies im always ready for good entertainment

Mr.Nick said:

How have you not been banned?

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Good question...

I should have regard for mob mentality why exactly? Bigots are bigots, doesn't matter how many there are.

clownboy said:

Why in the world do you think that? How is it that they cannot be made equal? We're talking in a strictly legal sense here you understand that, right? You cannot successfully legislate social acceptance. Even if we could, that's a very dangerous path to follow.

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Why do you think we care about acceptance from the "civil unions only" crowd? Most of this group is lying when they act like they've always been for gay rights, so i don't think i will start caring now. Generally they suddenly wish to compromise the problem away, now that it's a lost cause.

So why not civil unions? It's more fun watching the crying about it, and see: 'colored' drinking fountains. France itself is a good example, since they had civil unions, but adoption rights are a huge part of why this was necessary.

Gathomas88 said:

Good question...

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remind me who around here who has been banned? :laughat:

mpg said:

I don't know why you're asking me that but I've been there twice for a total of 5 weeks, mainly the UK and Italy. I thought I was clear that I wasn't criticizing Europe; I was criticizing some Americans perception of Europe.

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It really says a lot about you that you chose to answer the second question,and not the first.

So MPG,how the eff do you know what's on the minds of your fellow Americans,hmmm?

It was a simple request, (i'e. provide a link that backs up your statement),and you deliberately ignored it.
Do you have the ability to read other peoples minds?
Are you using a crystal ball or reading tea leaves?
Or are you one of those people who actually are conceited enough to think their opinions or beliefs ultimately matters to the Universe at whole?


Here we had an opportunity for people here (and that includes you) to condemn those that commit a crime (rioting)and commit violence, (rioting) and quite a lot of the Anti-SSM crowd just refused to do so. Why don't those that read this go through this thread and count how many people either dismiss what happened in France,or tried to justify it.Go one,count how many of them have come out and said ",the Anti-SSM crowd in France was wrong for rioting".

Mark my words,what happened in France is only the Harbinger of things to come.
And it is going to come here to America sooner than anyone thinks/
One only has to comb through the archives here at the other SSM threads to see what the uber religious,the Social Conservatives,and the psuedo-libertarians have planned for our country once SSM becomes legal nation wide.
See how many of them are actually fanning the flames here on DebatePolitics.

The numbers may shock you.

Somehow,despite what Jesus himself may feel about homosexuality,I think he would have at least had the guts to say "rioting was wrong of them".
But then again,there maybe many here who SAY they are Christian,but quite a number of people here aren't quite as good at BEING Christian as they like to think they are.

Bronson said:

Gay Marriage isn't real marriage

It never will be

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That's your opinion.Thank you for sharing,but please understand if the rest of humanity prefers not to let you do our thinking for us.You're just not that important to the Universe that we automatically have to agree with you.

Gathomas88 said:

They could be amended to do so. However, this has never been what the LGBT lobby has pushed for.

They want "marriage," and won't stand for anything less.

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Gathomas88 said:

I can just about guarantee you that the issue wouldn't be anywhere near the ****storm it is today if homosexuals had simply used the former tactic. Again, the fact of the matter is that they won't use such non-confrontational means precisely because "equal rights" aren't what they're really after.

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And you can see what goes on in alternate realities hows?
How much money are you willing to back that "guarantee" with?

Gathomas88 said:

They want recognition and validation from society at large.

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So did my black uncle and white aunt did in 1963,so whats you point?


And that is a problem how to you?What the eff do you care what two men or two women do with there lives?
Of all the problems going on in this planet,and this is the one you choose to expend energy on addressing?
What gay people do and say in their lives?
waht words they chose to use?
That's really THAT important to you?