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Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote

1.)I don't buy that whatsoever...

2.)What about the people who just don't care like me???

3.)There is no such thing as you "support" or "don't support" gay marriage....
4.)Honestly the majority of my friends/family just don't care...

5.)Also, the issue is more complicated than supporting or not supporting gay marriage. I know people who support gay marriage but would find it highly offensive if gays were affectionate in public....
6.)This issue is just not black and white....

LMAO
Ok :shrug:

1.) awww its cute you think people care if a poster like you buys it or not
2.) see 1.) we dont care about you not carring
3.) you are welcome to the opinion
4.) weird the majority of my friends and family do care and support equal rights, so what
5.) whoopty doo LMAO i think its offensive to see ugly people affectionate in public, so what
6.) did someone say it was?

your funny ;)
 
there are some issues with how they are presenting those numbers:

1) on african americans, the sourced article notes "The poll also finds that 59 percent of African Americans say they support same-sex marriage, up from an average of 41 percent in polls leading up to Obama’s announcement of his new position on the matter. Though statistically significant, it is a tentative result because of the relatively small sample of black voters in the poll."

2) they use the percentage of latinos that support same sex unions in place of those who support gay marriage (which is 49%)

3) and they are culling data from various polls that may be asking different questions

bad source to base any claims about actual numbers on



The point was that at one time he was clearly right. Now it seems that may have shifted, but there isn't any clear evidence of such, yet. And the shift that did occur (it certainly moved in a positive direction, we just don't know by how much) seems mostly due to supporting an obama policy, as opposed to support for gay marriage

thanks :shrug:
 
LMAO
Ok :shrug:

1.) awww its cute you think people care if a poster like you buys it or not
2.) see 1.) we dont care about you not carring
3.) you are welcome to the opinion
4.) weird the majority of my friends and family do care and support equal rights, so what
5.) whoopty doo LMAO i think its offensive to see ugly people affectionate in public, so what
6.) did someone say it was?

your funny ;)

You made no points, not only that but you changed my post then went ahead and spelled "you're" wrong.

I DON'T CARE, I don't care what the **** people do - yet you call yourself a libertarian and have a difficult time understanding that idea???

There is no such thing as EQUALITY.... Your argument here would apply to just about anything.. Why should the doctor who works 50 hours a week make more than the dummy who works 50 hours a week scrubbing his toilets??? They both work the same hours so why should one get more than the other??

Civil unions/gay marriage are a TENTH AMENDMENT ISSUE - EVERY LIBERTARIAN KNOWS THIS...
 
By now, most news organizations and the Twitter world are debating whether President Obama's endorsement of gay marriage will turn off African-Americans — his most loyal supporters.

It's a legitimate question because blacks, compared with other groups that make up the Democratic political base, have been the most resistant to an expansion of gay rights.

Citing deeply held religious objections to homosexuality, African-Americans, many of whom are evangelical Christians, have consistently voted for state bans on gay marriage, most recently in North Carolina on Tuesday. Blacks were credited with (or blamed for) providing the winning margin for the California ban passed in 2008 (which the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled unconstitutional).

Black Voters Likely To Stick With Obama Despite Gay Marriage Stance : It's All Politics : NPR

I bet most blacks will never vote for him again
 
My understanding was that the blacks were opposed to the homosexuals comparing their equal rights and homosexual marriage agenda to the black's historical struggle for civil rights. Yet the homosexual posts on this thread would seem to indicate that homosexuals believe that they are one and the same. Or they don't care what blacks say. Or something.

Hopefully someone will shed some light on this troubling inconsistency.

Frankly, I agree with the African Americans on this one.

The LGBT movement has gone out of its way to make a mountain out of a mole hill with regards to the whole same sex marriage issue from the very beginning. I can understand wanting equal rights, but trying to compare the trivial inconvenience of not being able to technically call an already de facto civil and domestic union "marriage" with the very real horrors of the Segregation, or (God forbid) slavery, is insulting and tasteless in the extreme.

Homosexuals are not being lynched by the thousands each year. Homosexuals are not being rounded up on trumped up charges and forced to work like slaves on chain gangs. Homosexuals are not having their opportunity to succeed in everyday life hampered by Jim Crow Laws. Homosexuals were not treated as human property for 400 years and often worked to death in the harsh environment of plantation agriculture.

I'm sorry, but there really simply isn't any valid grounds for comparison here between the plight of the two minority groups in question. African Americans have every right to be offended that so many pundits in the MSM attempt to frame the issue as such.

Homosexuals make up all of 2-4% of the population in any given nation. A lot of people on the political and cultural Left need to take a step or two back and try to gain at least some degree of perspective on the matter to say the least.
 
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1.)You made no points
2.), not only that but you changed my post
3.) then went ahead and spelled "you're" wrong.
4.)I DON'T CARE, I don't care what the **** people do -
5.)yet you call yourself a libertarian and have a difficult time understanding that idea???
6.)There is no such thing as EQUALITY.... Your argument here would apply to just about anything..
7.)Why should the doctor who works 50 hours a week make more than the dummy who works 50 hours a week scrubbing his toilets??? They both work the same hours so why should one get more than the other??

Civil unions/gay marriage are a TENTH AMENDMENT ISSUE - EVERY LIBERTARIAN KNOWS THIS...

1.) i didnt have to because you didnt either LMAO i just pointed how how the things you said didnt matter to facts and reality
2.) no i only numbered it
3.) oh on what will i ever do
4.) LMAO easy on the temper tantrum before you break your keyboard
5.) wow, you are so emotionally out there i don even think you know who you are talking too, you certainly dont know what you are talking about. Can you point out where i said im a libertarian?
6.) wait wait wait, so i have an argument now? i thought you said i made no points? jeez you are confused. Does gay rights always make you this angry or is that just who you are and angry person?
7.) LMAO where do you come up with this stuff , can you point out where i said they should? or who even where i mentioned doctors and scrubbing toilets?
you like to just make stuff up and go on random meaningless rants don't you?
8.) thanks for this opinion :shrug:

let mw know when you figure out what you are actually arguing about and who you are talking to LMAO
 
Frankly, I agree with the African Americans on this one.

The LGBT movement has gone out of its way to make a mountain out of a mole hill with regards to the whole same sex marriage issue from the very beginning. I can understand wanting equal rights, but trying to compare the trivial inconvenience of not being able to technically call an already de facto civil and domestic union "marriage" with the very real horrors of the Segregation, or (God forbid) slavery, is insulting and tasteless in the extreme.

Homosexuals are not being lynched by the thousands each year. Homosexuals are not being rounded up on trumped up charges and being forced to work like slaves on chain gangs. Homosexuals are not having their opportunity to succeed in everyday life hampered by Jim Crow Laws. Homosexuals were not treated as human property for 400 years and often worked to death in harsh environment of plantation agriculture.

I'm sorry, but there really simply isn't any valid grounds for comparison here between the plight of the two minority groups in question. African Americans have every right to be offended that so many pundits in the MSM attempt to frame the issue as such.

Homosexuals make up all of 2-4% of the population in any given nation. A lot of people on the political and cultural Left need to take a step back and try to gain at least some degree of perspective here to say the least.

Comparing two things does not necessarily equate to putting those two things on equal footing.

The whole "call it union, but not marriage" argument does seem familiar to "separate, but equal", but, that does not mean the two are necessarily equal.
 
Comparing two things does not necessarily equate to putting those two things on equal footing.

The whole "call it union, but not marriage" argument does seem familiar to "separate, but equal", but, that does not mean the two are necessarily equal.

The simple fact of the matter is that it is a deliberately dishonest tactic meant to draw false emotional comparisons between two issues which barely have anything to do with one another.

The overall goal of the LGBT lobby in doing all of this isn't to gain "equal rights." It never has been. The goal is to force the idea that homosexuality is "normal" down society's collective throat.

I'm sorry, but I simply don't see society as having any such obligation. I'll grant homosexuals equal rights, but that doesn't mean that I'll change my whole belief system for them.
 
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Comparing two things does not necessarily equate to putting those two things on equal footing.

The whole "call it union, but not marriage" argument does seem familiar to "separate, but equal", but, that does not mean the two are necessarily equal.

the civil union argument/domestic partnership is always a failed argument for multiple reasons.

1.) separate but equal is still discrimination
2.) both civil unions and domestic partnerships are not equal to marriage legally and rights wise

so anybody using this failed argument simply inst educated on the issues at hand.
 
1.)The simple fact of the matter is that it is a deliberately dishonest tactic meant to draw false emotional comparisons between two issues which barely have anything to do with one another.

The overall goal of the LGBT lobby in doing all of this isn't "equal rights." It never has been. The goal is to force the idea that homosexuality is "normal" down society's collective throat.

I'm sorry, but I simply don't see society as having any such obligation. I'll grant homosexuals equal rights, but that doesn't mean that I'll change my whole belief system for them.

1.) nope just your opinion, not a FACT
nothing dishonest about comparing discrimination and equal rights to discrimination and equal rights :shrug

2.) thanks for that opinion do you have anything to support that? not to mention how can they force it down you throat?
correct me if im wrong arent there people out there that still think minorities and women arent equal? guess they have throat blockers. That is not what the LGBT lobby is doing sorry you are wrong.

3.) lol thanks for just contradicting yourself, i thought you were going to be forced? the people that are vocal around here all seem to say they dont care what people think/feel but they just want equality, guess they are just kidding.
 
The simple fact of the matter is that it is a deliberately dishonest tactic meant to draw false emotional comparisons between two issues which barely have anything to do with one another.

The overall goal of the LGBT lobby in doing all of this isn't to gain "equal rights." It never has been. The goal is to force the idea that homosexuality is "normal" down society's collective throat.

I'm sorry, but I simply don't see society as having any such obligation. I'll grant homosexuals equal rights, but that doesn't mean that I'll change my whole belief system for them.

It is about equality. "You can have a civil union, but not marriage" is not equal by the very nature of it.
 
None of it matters. The homosexuals will NEVER be happy. They loathe themselves and each other. That is part of the pathology that no one is allowed to talk about.
 
None of it matters. The homosexuals will NEVER be happy. They loathe themselves and each other. That is part of the pathology that no one is allowed to talk about.

It would be one thing, if any of that was remotely true.

Stop making things up.
 
It is about equality. "You can have a civil union, but not marriage" is not equal by the very nature of it.

If civil unions grant the same rights as marriages, what does it matter?

Seems awfully superficial and petty to me.
 
If civil unions grant the same rights as marriages, what does it matter?

Seems awfully superficial and petty to me.

But, civil unions DON'T grant the same rights as marriages.
 
Oh c'mon let's be real here, this is France, they riot over coffee shortages. They're ENTITLED to riot.

That said, do the rioters have a legitimate beef? If it's a minority government pushing therough something that goes against the majority of the people, you betcha they do. France is a bit more on the straight democracy side than the US.

Yeah, the govt coming in and forcing a view point is a sure fire way to energize an opposition. Even Ginsberg is highly critical of RvsW for how it seemed unnecessary (the states were already moving towards legalization), energized resistance to it, and was based on shaky legal reasoning
 
But, civil unions DON'T grant the same rights as marriages.

So why not go for that, civil unions granted the same rights and avoid the whole marriage issue?
 
But, civil unions DON'T grant the same rights as marriages.

They could be amended to do so. However, this has never been what the LGBT lobby has pushed for.

They want "marriage," and won't stand for anything less.

I can just about guarantee you that the issue wouldn't be anywhere near the ****storm it is today if homosexuals had simply used the former tactic. Again, the fact of the matter is that they won't use such non-confrontational means precisely because "equal rights" aren't what they're really after.

They want recognition and validation from society at large.
 
They could be amended to do so. However, this has never been what the LGBT lobby has pushed for.

2.)They want "marriage," and won't stand for anything less.

3.)I can just about guarantee you that the issue wouldn't be anywhere near the ****storm it is today if homosexuals had used the former tactic.
4.)Again, the fact of the matter is that they won't use such non-confrontational means precisely because "equal rights" aren't really what they're after.

5.)They want recognition and validation from society at large.

1.) because separate but equal isnt not equal, Why would they fight for non-equal rights that stupid and illogical LOL
2.) translation, they want EQUALITY
3.) you maybe right, im sure the "****storm" would have been less if woman and minorities chose to NOT fight for equal rights too LOL that just dumb
4.) everytime you call this a fat you fail 100% but pleae continue to be dishonest lol
the real fact is they want marriage because thats the ONLY way to achieve equality, any honest person can see this

5.) im sure some do just like minorities and woman before them but that doesnt change the fact that marriage is the only way to achieve equality on the MARRIAGE issue LOL
 
So why not go for that, civil unions granted the same rights and avoid the whole marriage issue?

The definition of "marriage" needs to be changed. Plain as that.
 
So why not go for that, civil unions granted the same rights and avoid the whole marriage issue?

go for what? civil unions are not equal and they cant be made equal
separate but equal is not equal history already proves this
 
1.) because separate but equal isnt not equal, Why would they fight for non-equal rights that stupid and illogical LOL

actually, until quote recently, I think the advocacy did focus on civil unions. But once it was seen that they could likely garner the support for marriage, they moved on to that.

Not that I blame that, politics naturally calls for politically calculating
 
They could be amended to do so. However, this has never been what the LGBT lobby has pushed for.

They want "marriage," and won't stand for anything less.

I can just about guarantee you that the issue wouldn't be anywhere near the ****storm it is today if homosexuals had simply used the former tactic. Again, the fact of the matter is that they won't use such non-confrontational means precisely because "equal rights" aren't what they're really after.

They want recognition and validation from society at large.

You need to be reminded that it was the Right which, when faced with the reality that mass murder was no longer feasible, bludgeoned gay people into establishing mock straight relationships in the first place...............Before 1980 "gay marriage" was unheard of.......................
 
actually, until quote recently, I think the advocacy did focus on civil unions. But once it was seen that they could likely garner the support for marriage, they moved on to that.

Not that I blame that, politics naturally calls for politically calculating

yes there was and is movements for both civil unions and domestic partnership because at least its something and those were stepping stones when in some case equality was met with such bigotry and or resistance and disdain. So some took what they could get and want what they could get. (still true of some)

but the end game is equality as it should be
 
go for what? civil unions are not equal and they cant be made equal
separate but equal is not equal history already proves this

Why in the world do you think that? How is it that they cannot be made equal? We're talking in a strictly legal sense here you understand that, right? You cannot successfully legislate social acceptance. Even if we could, that's a very dangerous path to follow.
 
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