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Paris Riots After Gay Marriage Vote


Here's one instance.

Pew: Fewer Americans Believe U.S. Culture Is Superior to Others | TIME.com

It's a trope that's sometimes used to address certain issues, but it isn't applied uniformly. When there is renewed discussion over problems surrounding European multiculturalism, it's not as if American liberals still use the trope. Nevertheless, it's still somewhat present in discussion.

Personally, I think it's merely used as a means to promote policy change domestically.
 
Here's one instance.

Pew: Fewer Americans Believe U.S. Culture Is Superior to Others | TIME.com

It's a trope that's sometimes used to address certain issues, but it isn't applied uniformly. When there is renewed discussion over problems surrounding European multiculturalism, it's not as if American liberals still use the trope. Nevertheless, it's still somewhat present in discussion.

Personally, I think it's merely used as a means to promote policy change domestically.

Your link doesn't support the claim that was made

Here's the claim

Not really, when you consider how often the Libbos tell us how much more tolerant and enlightened Europeans are than Americans.
 
Many Americans see Europe as a utopia that America should copy, and they're usually the same people who support SSM.

Not necessarily you do not have to be economically Liberal to to be socially Liberal. I might be a social democrat but Europe is a pretty big failure economically.
 
Your link doesn't support the claim that was made

Here's the claim

If we’re a touch less jingoistic today, and if the rising generation seems a bit more European (or Asian or Latin) in its comfort with collective action, it’s not a sign of national decline. It’s evidence of the U.S. doing what it does best: synthesizing. Adapting to a changing world. The U.S. is always going to be the land of liberty. But as we mature, we can cherish liberty and responsibility, the individual and community. And we can wear our unparalleled appeal with confidence, not cockiness. That’s an exceptionalism to aspire to.

It's still an employment of that trope.
 
And it's still not support of the claim that was made.

That American liberals frequently view Europe as more enlightened or civilized? I don't have a systemic study of American liberalism and its views toward Europe in front of me, but I did provide an example of that trope being employed.
 
That American liberals frequently view Europe as more enlightened or civilized? I don't have a systemic study of American liberalism and its views toward Europe in front of me, but I did provide an example of that trope being employed.

Good for you!

But I asked for proof of the claim that apdst made.
 
Good for you!

But I asked for proof of the claim that apdst made.

Which was how often it is used? You're looking for a systemic study?

My best guess would be to start with the phrase "The [U.S./United States/America] is the only developed nation...."
 
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I wonder when equal gay rights becomes a reality here in the US if we will have bigots and morons actually doing violent protesting?

I dont think theres enough people to be that stupid. Not saying we dont have our share of stupid people but i dont think they would be that stupid to "riot" against equal rights
 
The good thing about the war on bigotry is that it may be the first time France ever wins a war.
 
I wonder when equal gay rights becomes a reality here in the US if we will have bigots and morons actually doing violent protesting?

I dont think theres enough people to be that stupid. Not saying we dont have our share of stupid people but i dont think they would be that stupid to "riot" against equal rights

Different environment here in the US. Once you riot here, unlike France, your cause actually starts losing support.
 
My understanding was that the blacks were opposed to the homosexuals comparing their equal rights and homosexual marriage agenda to the black's historical struggle for civil rights. Yet the homosexual posts on this thread would seem to indicate that homosexuals believe that they are one and the same. Or they don't care what blacks say. Or something.

Hopefully someone will shed some light on this troubling inconsistency.
 
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My understanding was that the blacks were opposed to the homosexuals comparing their equal rights and homosexual marriage agenda to the black's historical struggle for civil rights. Yet the homosexual posts on this thread would seem to indicate that homosexuals believe that they are one and the same. Or they don't care what blacks say. Or something.

Hopefully someone will shed some light on this troubling inconsistency.

The majority of Black people, the Religious Left, are against same sex marriage.
 
The majority of Black people, the Religious Left, are against same sex marriage.

link please?
didnt someone just post in on of these threads that 60% of blacks and latinos support SSM, 80% of jewish americans and 51% of white americans?
cant remember the numbers exactly but i thought it was pretty close to that.

dont remember seeing any pools on religious left
 
"Some protesters opposed to the measure legalizing same-sex marriage hurled glass bottles, cans and metal bars, and riot police responded with tear gas at the Invalides memorial and museum complex, near the National Assembly." (French protest against gay marriage turns violent)

So people are really just pissed that they didn't get their way and are now throwing a giant tantrum. Real mature :roll:

Isn't that the reasoning behind every riot?

I'd wish they would do this in California over prop 8, not because of gay marriage/civil unions but over the circumvention of the Tenth Amendment and the overall slap in the face to democracy.
 
link please?
didnt someone just post in on of these threads that 60% of blacks and latinos support SSM, 80% of jewish americans and 51% of white americans?
cant remember the numbers exactly but i thought it was pretty close to that.

dont remember seeing any pools on religious left

And while the usual suspects continue to favor gay marriage — young people and non-religious people — exit polls show the most important shifts in support among two key communities: African Americans and Hispanics.
Black voters, in particular, have been slow to embrace gay marriage, even as the vast majority vote Democratic and the rest of the party has embraced gay marriage. On Tuesday, though, they played a major role in passing Maryland’s new gay marriage law.

Maryland is heavily Democratic, which made it a likely candidate to be one of the first states to vote for gay marriage. But the state is also heavily African-American (29 percent) and has a significant Latino population (8 percent), which made passage something less than certain.
When California voted for a gay marriage ban in 2008, 70 percent of African Americans voted for it, and when North Carolina overwhelmingly passed a similar measure earlier this year, many cited the black vote as a big reason. (Shortly after the ban passed in North Carolina, President Obama came out in favor of gay marriage.)
On Tuesday in Maryland, though, 46 percent of African Americans supported gay marriage. And according to national exit polls, 52 percent of both black and Latino voters who turned out Tuesday said they support gay marriage in their states.
(The largest shift came from black women, of which 59 percent now support gay marriage, compared to 42 percent of black men — a huge gender gap.)
That’s a big turnaround from recent years. In 2008 and 2009, a Pew Research Center survey showed just 28 percent of African Americans and 39 percent of Latinos backed gay marriage. And by 2010, support in those communities was rising slower than it was among whites.

African Americans and Latinos spur gay marriage revolution
 
The majority of Black people, the Religious Left, are against same sex marriage.

The majority of minorities are generally social conservatives, they're just progressive when it comes to free handouts via government.
 
By now, most news organizations and the Twitter world are debating whether President Obama's endorsement of gay marriage will turn off African-Americans — his most loyal supporters.

It's a legitimate question because blacks, compared with other groups that make up the Democratic political base, have been the most resistant to an expansion of gay rights.

Citing deeply held religious objections to homosexuality, African-Americans, many of whom are evangelical Christians, have consistently voted for state bans on gay marriage, most recently in North Carolina on Tuesday. Blacks were credited with (or blamed for) providing the winning margin for the California ban passed in 2008 (which the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled unconstitutional).

Black Voters Likely To Stick With Obama Despite Gay Marriage Stance : It's All Politics : NPR
 
And while the usual suspects continue to favor gay marriage — young people and non-religious people — exit polls show the most important shifts in support among two key communities: African Americans and Hispanics.
Black voters, in particular, have been slow to embrace gay marriage, even as the vast majority vote Democratic and the rest of the party has embraced gay marriage. On Tuesday, though, they played a major role in passing Maryland’s new gay marriage law.

Maryland is heavily Democratic, which made it a likely candidate to be one of the first states to vote for gay marriage. But the state is also heavily African-American (29 percent) and has a significant Latino population (8 percent), which made passage something less than certain.
When California voted for a gay marriage ban in 2008, 70 percent of African Americans voted for it, and when North Carolina overwhelmingly passed a similar measure earlier this year, many cited the black vote as a big reason. (Shortly after the ban passed in North Carolina, President Obama came out in favor of gay marriage.)
On Tuesday in Maryland, though, 46 percent of African Americans supported gay marriage. And according to national exit polls, 52 percent of both black and Latino voters who turned out Tuesday said they support gay marriage in their states.
(The largest shift came from black women, of which 59 percent now support gay marriage, compared to 42 percent of black men — a huge gender gap.)
That’s a big turnaround from recent years. In 2008 and 2009, a Pew Research Center survey showed just 28 percent of African Americans and 39 percent of Latinos backed gay marriage. And by 2010, support in those communities was rising slower than it was among whites.

African Americans and Latinos spur gay marriage revolution

That's because young people are being brainwashed to do as they're told, opposed to making decisions based on their morals.

You only get a shift that big with brainwashing..
 
And while the usual suspects continue to favor gay marriage — young people and non-religious people — exit polls show the most important shifts in support among two key communities: African Americans and Hispanics.
Black voters, in particular, have been slow to embrace gay marriage, even as the vast majority vote Democratic and the rest of the party has embraced gay marriage. On Tuesday, though, they played a major role in passing Maryland’s new gay marriage law.

Maryland is heavily Democratic, which made it a likely candidate to be one of the first states to vote for gay marriage. But the state is also heavily African-American (29 percent) and has a significant Latino population (8 percent), which made passage something less than certain.
When California voted for a gay marriage ban in 2008, 70 percent of African Americans voted for it, and when North Carolina overwhelmingly passed a similar measure earlier this year, many cited the black vote as a big reason. (Shortly after the ban passed in North Carolina, President Obama came out in favor of gay marriage.)
On Tuesday in Maryland, though, 46 percent of African Americans supported gay marriage. And according to national exit polls, 52 percent of both black and Latino voters who turned out Tuesday said they support gay marriage in their states.
(The largest shift came from black women, of which 59 percent now support gay marriage, compared to 42 percent of black men — a huge gender gap.)
That’s a big turnaround from recent years. In 2008 and 2009, a Pew Research Center survey showed just 28 percent of African Americans and 39 percent of Latinos backed gay marriage. And by 2010, support in those communities was rising slower than it was among whites.

African Americans and Latinos spur gay marriage revolution

thanks i found what i read earlier too, i was just off by 1%
Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Support for same-sex marriage in the U.S. [hide]Ethnicity % of U.S. population
White Americans[63] 50

Latino Americans[61] 60

Jewish Americans[60] 81

Black Americans[62] 59

All Adults 58

By religion
Support for same-sex marriage in the U.S. [hide]Religion % of U.S. population
No religion 81

White non-evangelical Protestant 70

Roman Catholic 59

White Catholic 58

Other Christian 52

Protestant 49

White evangelical Protestant 31

All Adults 58

so it seem the majority of blacks support SSM so grant was wrong, even if there are other polls at best we could say maybe it split
 
By now, most news organizations and the Twitter world are debating whether President Obama's endorsement of gay marriage will turn off African-Americans — his most loyal supporters.

It's a legitimate question because blacks, compared with other groups that make up the Democratic political base, have been the most resistant to an expansion of gay rights.

Citing deeply held religious objections to homosexuality, African-Americans, many of whom are evangelical Christians, have consistently voted for state bans on gay marriage, most recently in North Carolina on Tuesday. Blacks were credited with (or blamed for) providing the winning margin for the California ban passed in 2008 (which the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled unconstitutional).

Black Voters Likely To Stick With Obama Despite Gay Marriage Stance : It's All Politics : NPR

Yep....

You know why they stick with the progressives? because progressives feed them, cloth them, give them shelter, cell phones etc - all for free... Thats why they vote democrat - they want their free Obama money...
 
thanks i found what i read earlier too, i was just off by 1%
Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Support for same-sex marriage in the U.S. [hide]Ethnicity % of U.S. population
White Americans[63] 50

Latino Americans[61] 60

Jewish Americans[60] 81

Black Americans[62] 59

All Adults 58

By religion
Support for same-sex marriage in the U.S. [hide]Religion % of U.S. population
No religion 81

White non-evangelical Protestant 70

Roman Catholic 59

White Catholic 58

Other Christian 52

Protestant 49

White evangelical Protestant 31

All Adults 58

so it seem the majority of blacks support SSM so grant was wrong, even if there are other polls at best we could say maybe it split

I don't buy that whatsoever...

What about the people who just don't care like me???

There is no such thing as you "support" or "don't support" gay marriage.... Honestly the majority of my friends/family just don't care...

Also, the issue is more complicated than supporting or not supporting gay marriage. I know people who support gay marriage but would find it highly offensive if gays were affectionate in public.... This issue is just not black and white....
 
thanks i found what i read earlier too, i was just off by 1%
Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Support for same-sex marriage in the U.S. [hide]Ethnicity % of U.S. population
White Americans[63] 50

Latino Americans[61] 60

Jewish Americans[60] 81

Black Americans[62] 59

All Adults 58

By religion
Support for same-sex marriage in the U.S. [hide]Religion % of U.S. population
No religion 81

White non-evangelical Protestant 70

Roman Catholic 59

White Catholic 58

Other Christian 52

Protestant 49

White evangelical Protestant 31

All Adults 58

so it seem the majority of blacks support SSM so grant was wrong, even if there are other polls at best we could say maybe it split

there are some issues with how they are presenting those numbers:

1) on african americans, the sourced article notes "The poll also finds that 59 percent of African Americans say they support same-sex marriage, up from an average of 41 percent in polls leading up to Obama’s announcement of his new position on the matter. Though statistically significant, it is a tentative result because of the relatively small sample of black voters in the poll."

2) they use the percentage of latinos that support same sex unions in place of those who support gay marriage (which is 49%)

3) and they are culling data from various polls that may be asking different questions

bad source to base any claims about actual numbers on

so it seem the majority of blacks support SSM so grant was wrong, even if there are other polls at best we could say maybe it split

The point was that at one time he was clearly right. Now it seems that may have shifted, but there isn't any clear evidence of such, yet. And the shift that did occur (it certainly moved in a positive direction, we just don't know by how much) seems mostly due to supporting an obama policy, as opposed to support for gay marriage
 
I agree with Sangha on this one,in other words,do you have a link?
Some sort of scientific study?

I've been to Europe numerous times for business and recipe research,and while it's nice,it sure isn't any Utopia.
How many times have you been there,just curious?
I don't know why you're asking me that but I've been there twice for a total of 5 weeks, mainly the UK and Italy. I thought I was clear that I wasn't criticizing Europe; I was criticizing some Americans perception of Europe.
 
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