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99.5% Of Illegal Immigrants Get Approval For Legal Status

The Prof said:
99.5% of illegal immigrants get approval for legal status - Washington Times

dhs points to 98.2% in march---as if that's comforting

98% of applicants have no criminal record and have either graduated high school or served in the military?

very impressive

only 1377 formerly illegal aliens out of 268316 applicants busted out

are our undocumented neighbors and friends required to demonstrate no public charge before they are given legal status?

should they be?
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It sure doesn't pay to come here legally. I'll bet the 0.5% that don't get approval are the conservative illegals. :lol:
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Don't worry, I excuse partisan hackery all the time. ;) And I wasn't b******* at all. I was stating a fact. Or are you denying that Obama made the EO that is allowing these illegals all this? You sure seemed to be trying to in your last post....
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Well you know, it's DHS.....that's a lower department.....he doesn't even know the phone number.
 
American said:
Well you know, it's DHS.....that's a lower department.....he doesn't even know the phone number.
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Actually this reminds me. Why is the DHS handleing this? Shouldn't the USCIS be handleing this? They ARE the US Citizenship and Immigration Services after all....
 
Kal'Stang said:
Actually this reminds me. Why is the DHS handleing this? Shouldn't the USCIS be handleing this? They ARE the US Citizenship and Immigration Services after all....
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It does seam like this administration is using the DHS for a number of things you would think run outside their scope.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Or are you denying that Obama made the EO that is allowing these illegals all this?
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Actually, I was taking issue with you stating (as I put in quotes earlier) that Obama "doesn't give a crap about our laws or system".

I haven't heard anything to suggest that DACA is illegal in anyway, or that Executive Orders are illegal.

Explain.
 
babilfish said:
Actually, I was taking issue with you stating (as I put in quotes earlier) that Obama "doesn't give a crap about our laws or system".

I haven't heard anything to suggest that DACA is illegal in anyway, or that Executive Orders are illegal.

Explain.
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Where did I say that what he did was illegal? I said, as you quoted, that he is ignoring our laws. That is a fact since in order to make that EO he had to ignore current immigration laws.
 
babilfish said:
Actually, I was taking issue with you stating (as I put in quotes earlier) that Obama "doesn't give a crap about our laws or system".

I haven't heard anything to suggest that DACA is illegal in anyway, or that Executive Orders are illegal.

Explain.
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Executive orders cannot trump public laws. they are limited in scope. I believe they can exempt the executive branch from laws passed, but not the laws that pertain to the public.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Where did I say that what he did was illegal? I said, as you quoted, that he is ignoring our laws...
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...Which is to say, he has done something illegal.

To ignore the law is to do something illegal. To act in concert with it is to do something legal.

By saying he "doesn't give a crap about our laws or our system" is to say he acts parallel to them (illegally), doing what he likes without paying any attention to the legality of his acts.

Don't back down after saying such bold things, stand by your words.

That is a fact since in order to make that EO he had to ignore current immigration laws.
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Which would be illegal.

So then, getting back to the point, show how Obama has done something illegal regarding DACA.
 
babilfish said:
...Which is to say, he has done something illegal.

To ignore the law is to do something illegal. To act in concert with it is to do something legal.

By saying he "doesn't give a crap about our laws or our system" is to say he acts parallel to them (illegally), doing what he likes without paying any attention to the legality of his acts.

Don't back down after saying such bold things, stand by your words.



Which would be illegal.

So then, getting back to the point, show how Obama has done something illegal regarding DACA.
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Wrong. The President has this little ability that he can legally use to bypass and ignore laws called Executive Orders. So yeah, I never said that he ignored our laws illegally.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Wrong. The President has this little ability that he can legally use to bypass and ignore laws called Executive Orders. So yeah, I never said that he ignored our laws illegally.
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If an Executive Order bypasses or ignores the law, then it is illegal.

Either Obama is ignoring the law (i.e. doing something illegal) or he is acting within his legal bounds, and thus your statement earlier is wrong.

Pick one.
 
I mean, it was a bold statement, to say Obama doesn't give a crap about our laws or our system.

The type of statement that needs evidence to back it up. Show that evidence, or concede the point: You were talking out of your ass earlier.
 
babilfish said:
If an Executive Order bypasses or ignores the law, then it is illegal.

Either Obama is ignoring the law (i.e. doing something illegal) or he is acting within his legal bounds, and thus your statement earlier is wrong.

Pick one.
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babilfish said:
I mean, it was a bold statement, to say Obama doesn't give a crap about our laws or our system.

The type of statement that needs evidence to back it up. Show that evidence, or concede the point: You were talking out of your ass earlier.
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Current immigration law as passed by Congress and signed by previous Presidents state that if you are illegally in the US and caught then you are to be deported. That is a Fact. That law is still in effect today. It makes no difference whether the illegal in question came here on their own two feet or if they were brought here at a young age, they are to be detained and deported. That is a fact. Obama's Executive Order ordered that anyone that was brought into the US at a young age and is still here illegally may not be deported but can instead apply for a green card. That is a fact. It is also a fact that it is in DIRECT contradiction to our congress passed, President signed, CURRENT immigration law. As President he is obviously allowed to do this via an Executive Order.

Do you deny that Obama's Executive Order is in direct contradiction to our current immigration law? Yes? No?
 
Was the Emancipation Proclamation contrary to existing law?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Yes it was. Are you trying to draw a parallel to the freeing of involuntary slaves to those that come here illegally of their own volition?
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just pointing out that an executive order that is contrary to existing law may necessarily be a bad decision.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Current immigration law as passed by Congress and signed by previous Presidents state that if you are illegally in the US and caught then you are to be deported.
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There you go! Show a little fire!

Now, instead of just stating this over and over, because this is a fact, do as I just asked: Back it up with evidence.

Particularly the part where you are to be detained and deported, and that's all there is to it.

*snip stupid bull**** at the end*
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You haven't even proven your case, and your trying to press me?

God, this is so ****ing sad, I feel sorry for you. I really do, because you have no evidence to support what you said at all. I asked you a simple question, and you've shown no evidence to back it up. You didn't even read the article, I doubt you've read up on any immigration law either.

I'd hate to let you know, but you're acting like one of those know-nothing, knee-jerk reaction conservatives I said you were. This is the type of amateurish line of bull I'd expect from one of them.

You haven't been able to show Obama has done anything illegal, you tried to claim you didn't make the point you clearly made (Obama doesn't give a crap about our laws or our system!), this has been an absolute waste of my time.
 
specklebang said:
Doesn't that indicate that most of these people have lived responsibly and stayed out of trouble?

It's the ones that don't apply that I would be worried about. So the ratio of successful applicants to the number of eligible candidates would be more educational (if it exists).
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They were irresponsible and got into trouble when they illegally entered our country. If someone robs a bank and then settles down in the burbs living off his stolen loot while attending PTA meetings and coaching little league he still goes to jail if you catch him.
 
babilfish said:
There you go! Show a little fire!

Now, instead of just stating this over and over, because this is a fact, do as I just asked: Back it up with evidence.

Particularly the part where you are to be detained and deported, and that's all there is to it.



You haven't even proven your case, and your trying to press me?

God, this is so ****ing sad, I feel sorry for you. I really do, because you have no evidence to support what you said at all. I asked you a simple question, and you've shown no evidence to back it up. You didn't even read the article, I doubt you've read up on any immigration law either.

I'd hate to let you know, but you're acting like one of those know-nothing, knee-jerk reaction conservatives I said you were. This is the type of amateurish line of bull I'd expect from one of them.

You haven't been able to show Obama has done anything illegal, you tried to claim you didn't make the point you clearly made (Obama doesn't give a crap about our laws or our system!), this has been an absolute waste of my time.
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Why the hell should I go dig up a law which everyone knows? For your little satisfaction? Are you not an American? Do you live in some country that has no immigration laws? If so we are not talking about that country. We're talking about the US.
 
Knowledge=power said:
Because urban areas are overpopulated, unemployment is very high and jobs are scarce, government benefits are spread thin, and when all of this combines with poverty, crime rates skyrocket. Immigrants who cannot even speak English are going to have a hard time finding work in this job market and when they can't support their families, crime becomes a necessity. When we were saying 'Thanks for coming and good luck,' times were very, very different.
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Large-scale immigration of unskilled people may be beneficial for urban elites who enjoy the benefits of cheap servants , restaurants and the like,but it is not to the economic advantage of those who have to
compete with these immigrants.

Moreover, unskilled, unemployed or economically inactive immigrants may be a significant tax burden on the local population...

Especially if they settle permanently and require public support and care in old age.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Why the hell should I go dig up a law which everyone knows?
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...So you don't have any evidence to back up one iota of what you said?

Should I take this to mean you are conceding the point, as you should have done days ago instead of wasting my time?

If not, do as I ask. Back up your bold statements with...something, anything!

Otherwise, I'm writing this off as what it seems to be: Typical know-nothing conservative talking out of his ass, who couldn't be bothered to even read a small, 2 page article before shooting his mouth off.
 
I may have misunderstood. I thought these were children who were brought here young and consequently grew up "American" and whose parents were the illegals but the children are more like victims. Am I incorrect?

If someone robs a bank, we don't charge their minor children who were not part of the robbery.




sawyerloggingon said:
They were irresponsible and got into trouble when they illegally entered our country. If someone robs a bank and then settles down in the burbs living off his stolen loot while attending PTA meetings and coaching little league he still goes to jail if you catch him.
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babilfish said:
...So you don't have any evidence to back up one iota of what you said?

Should I take this to mean you are conceding the point, as you should have done days ago instead of wasting my time?

If not, do as I ask. Back up your bold statements with...something, anything!

Otherwise, I'm writing this off as what it seems to be: Typical know-nothing conservative talking out of his ass, who couldn't be bothered to even read a small, 2 page article before shooting his mouth off.
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Sorry but I don't entertain intellectual dishonesty. If you don't believe what everyone else knows as fact then that is your problem and no amount of links is going to make you believe that which you wish to ignore.
 
specklebang said:
I may have misunderstood. I thought these were children who were brought here young and consequently grew up "American" and whose parents were the illegals but the children are more like victims. Am I incorrect?

If someone robs a bank, we don't charge their minor children who were not part of the robbery.
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Those children stop being children and innocent when they grow up and stay here despite knowing that they are here illegally.
 
Trying to pit myself in the same circumstances mentally, I think it would be hard for me to turn 18 knowing only one country and then pack up and leave to a foreign country whose language is different, abandoning those that are my family and friends.

If your Mom had committed a bank robbery 20 years ago and she confessed it to you now, would you turn her in? I doubt that I would...so I doubt that you would. I wouldn't refund the bank either.



Kal'Stang said:
Those children stop being children and innocent when they grow up and stay here despite knowing that they are here illegally.
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specklebang said:
Trying to pit myself in the same circumstances mentally, I think it would be hard for me to turn 18 knowing only one country and then pack up and leave to a foreign country whose language is different, abandoning those that are my family and friends.

If your Mom had committed a bank robbery 20 years ago and she confessed it to you now, would you turn her in? I doubt that I would...so I doubt that you would. I wouldn't refund the bank either.
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If you don't turn your mother in then you are an accessory. Which means you are just as guilty.
 
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