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Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

Lies?

1.)We do know that PP was informed of "complaints" about the "House Of Horrors", correct?

2.)We know that they were informed of "problems" at the "House of Horrors", correct?

3.)We know they did nothing to help these women and babies, correct?

4.)And we know you have no knowledge of any of this, correct?

1.) yes that seems to be the case that they received complaints
2.) see above but i think you are mixing things, the CEO said problems were known and those problems were complaints
3.) nope, this is a lie.
we know that they informed the people with complaints to take those complaints to the proper authorities.
thats not doing nothing and per the facts we have there was nothing to know or do besides that
4.) we have knowledge of the facts actually presented :)
 
And despite all the details in this "House Of Horrors" being made public you have no idea whatsoever what form these complaints might have taken, correct?

If you have no idea about the specifics, as you claim, how do you know what was correct or incorrect?

again my marriage example destroys this illogical assumption, is there some other assumption youd like to assume is true?
 
It seems difficult to believe any complaints or problems made to PP didn't involve the amount of blood everywhere, disgusting unsanitary conditions, babies feet in jars, untrained staff, cats wandering around, at least one woman dying, and of course multiple babies as well..

no, it actually doesnt at all. :shrug:
 
It is all true. It's in the indictment and there are multiple witnesses. It seems you don't know what went on there.

its true that stuff was there, so far, its not true any patients seen all of that and made compliant about it and then even if they did tell somebody what makes that story a fact to that person? LOL
which hunts are fun arent they :)
 
1.) yes that seems to be the case that they received complaints
2.) see above but i think you are mixing things, the CEO said problems were known and those problems were complaints
3.) nope, this is a lie.
we know that they informed the people with complaints to take those complaints to the proper authorities.
thats not doing nothing and per the facts we have there was nothing to know or do besides that
4.) we have knowledge of the facts actually presented :)

3) telling people to go somewhere else with their problems and complaints is hardly helping them.
 
no, it actually doesnt at all. :shrug:

Yes, i believe you. If you walked into the House of Horrors, saw blood everywhere, babies feet in jars, comatose women, cats wandering around, you still wouldn't notice a thing.
 
3) telling people to go somewhere else with their problems and complaints is hardly helping them.

really? thats a nice opinion to have but thats all it is.

so telling people to take their complaints to the proper authorities that are responsible for complaints and helping them is doing nothing????

hmmmmmm very interesting opinion you have there

but again you were claiming you were stating FACTS and you did not :shrug:
 
Yes, i believe you. If you walked into the House of Horrors, saw blood everywhere, babies feet in jars, comatose women, cats wandering around, you still wouldn't notice a thing.

there you go again guessing,
were there babies feet and comatose woman in the waiting room? in the hall way? leaning on the door in the entry way? or how about EVERY room?
please do tell, were they there when the woman that complained were there? is that what those woman saw and reported?

do you know that's factually what they saw and reported?

you fail again because you are ASSUMING :shrug:

not sure why it bothers you that people like to rely on FACTS and not you assumptions and opinions LOL
 
Well, as a caveat, I know in advance that those in here calling others "liars", "dishonest", and refusing common sense and logical debate by saying that unless the CEO of PP, or one of the complaintents holds a press conference, or reveals a video, (which btw, the same characters decried when James O'keefe did it.) or some other trial is held. But Michelle Malkin has been digging on this story and actually has a pretty good article on it...

As I first noted in my column and on my blog when the scissors-wielding sadist was arrested in January 2011, the murders committed under the banner of “choice” were ignored for four decades by abortion advocates. The Philadelphia grand jury report, now amplified by trial testimony, outlined the systematic execution of hundreds of healthy, living, breathing, squirming viable babies. The panel concluded that the “vast majority of the babies he aborted” were more than 24 weeks old.

Gosnell joked that one murdered baby was so big, the child “could walk around with me.”

On Wednesday, clinic worker Kareema Cross said she witnessed between 10 and 15 babies breathing after being delivered by patients who had received labor-inducing drugs. After their spinal cords were cut, Cross recalled babies still moaning and moving after being stuffed in shoeboxes. Their skulls would be crushed after delivery. Their feet and other body parts ended up in row upon row of specimen jars on display in Gosnell’s filthy facility.

Gosnell’s silent co-conspirators include the abortion clinics in Virginia and Washington, D.C., that referred Mongar and her family, who spoke no English, to his clinic because of its widespread reputation for doing abortions “regardless of gestational age.” They also include the left-wing religious and immigrant community activists who “assist” refugees by hooking them up with government-funded “affordable reproductive health services,” a.k.a. abortion mills. (See Ann Corcoran for more questions on this.)

Patients were “treated” by unlicensed incompetents, including a young girl groomed from her teenage years. The late-term mothers’ wombs and bowels were perforated with infected instruments. Government inspectors “literally licensed Gosnell’s criminally dangerous behavior,” the Philly grand jury found. The Pennsylvania Department of State was “repeatedly confronted with evidence about Gosnell” — including the clinic’s unclean, unsterile conditions, unlicensed workers, unsupervised sedation, underage abortion patients and over-prescribing of pain pills with high resale value on the street — “and repeatedly chose to do nothing.”

As I noted in 2011, nearby hospital officials who treated some of the pregnant mothers who suffered grave complications from Gosnell’s butchery did nothing. And an inspector for the National Abortion Federation, the leading association of abortion providers that is supposed to uphold strict health and legal standards, determined that Gosnell’s chamber of horrors was “the worst abortion clinic she had ever inspected” — but did nothing.

Gosnell’s enablers have concocted all sorts of excuses for themselves. The billion-dollar abortion racket says “lack of funding” and “access” to “health care” is the real problem. But expanding “access” is exactly how Gosnell got away with murder after bloody murder. As the grand jury revealed, pro-choice bureaucrats in liberal GOP Gov. Tom Ridge’s administration concluded that increased inspections “would be ‘putting a barrier up to women’ seeking abortions. Better to leave clinics to do as they pleased, even though, as Gosnell proved, that meant both women and babies would pay.”

Gosnell’s enablers also claim that his case is a grisly exception. But I repeat: Deadly indifference to protecting life isn’t tangential to the abortion industry’s existence — it’s at the core of it. In the past few years alone, Dr. Andrew Rutland of California and Dr. Steven Brigham in Maryland had their medical licenses revoked after their late-term abortion mills were exposed. Like Gosnell, Rutland killed an Asian woman after administering a drug overdose during a late-term abortion procedure. Like Gosnell, Brigham stored the bodies of late-term fetuses in freezers.

Just this week, the state of Delaware announced an investigation of several Planned Parenthood clinics after botched abortions and the resignations of two registered nurses who witnessed malpractice. Surgical abortions have been halted at one of the facilities. “What I believe should happen is that Planned Parenthood should no longer be self-regulated,” Joyce Vasikonis told The News Journal.

Even as it disavows Gosnell’s “criminal enterprise,” Planned Parenthood’s lobbyist in Florida officially testified three weeks ago that the group believes the decision to save a baby born alive after a botched abortion “should be left up to the woman, her family and the physician.”

Michelle Malkin | Death Doc Kermit Gosnell’s Silent Co-Conspirators «

This type of thinking is not the exception, but rather the rule, and the defense of it must be the logical backflips, and denials that we see going on in here.
 
Well, as a caveat, I know in advance that those in here calling others "liars", "dishonest", and refusing common sense and logical debate by saying that unless the CEO of PP, or one of the complaintents holds a press conference, or reveals a video, (which btw, the same characters decried when James O'keefe did it.) or some other trial is held. But Michelle Malkin has been digging on this story and actually has a pretty good article on it...



This type of thinking is not the exception, but rather the rule, and the defense of it must be the logical backflips, and denials that we see going on in here.

what does any of what you posted actually deal with what is being said about the facts here? LOL
ill do all the common sense and logical debate you want but when you or others push lies and opinions as fact and you lose theres no need to be upset LOL
simply try actually being honest and objective instead of biased :shrug:

heres honesty for you, can you find ONE person here, ONE that feels that if gosnell or anybody at PP broke the law they shouldn't be punished? Like i said earlier, ill make fun of them with you, but since i havent seen anybody like that the beginning of your post and the en of your post is s imply unsupportable straw man :D

it was a nice try though, you CLAIM you want honesty but dodge the questions i ask you LMAO

is there something FACTUAL and specific you would like to accuse someone here of not seeing, id love to hear it, maybe you are right, maybe I or somebody else overlooked something?

or continue with straw men, its fine by me LOL
 
what does any of what you posted actually deal with what is being said about the facts here? LOL
ill do all the common sense and logical debate you want but when you or others push lies and opinions as fact and you lose theres no need to be upset LOL
simply try actually being honest and objective instead of biased :shrug:

heres honesty for you, can you find ONE person here, ONE that feels that if gosnell or anybody at PP broke the law they shouldn't be punished? Like i said earlier, ill make fun of them with you, but since i havent seen anybody like that the beginning of your post and the en of your post is s imply unsupportable straw man :D

it was a nice try though, you CLAIM you want honesty but dodge the questions i ask you LMAO

is there something FACTUAL and specific you would like to accuse someone here of not seeing, id love to hear it, maybe you are right, maybe I or somebody else overlooked something?

or continue with straw men, its fine by me LOL


So that's all you got? Is that when common sense, and rational thinking prevails, all you can do is call people liars, and dishonest? I recall other arguments like that......In the 1st grade....Congratulations, you're getting better....
 
so telling people to take their complaints to the proper authorities that are responsible for complaints and helping them is doing nothing????

Exactly. They turned them away and said go somewhere else. It's called 'passing the buck'.
 
So that's all you got? Is that when common sense, and rational thinking prevails, all you can do is call people liars, and dishonest? I recall other arguments like that......In the 1st grade....Congratulations, you're getting better....

LMAO did you even read what i wrote?
you didnt provide any rational thinking and common sense nor has what you have been stating previaled in any way LMAO
its been destroyed multiple times by multiple posters

when you even looked for info to back up your false claims you came back and admitted you had nothing only things that support me LMAO

so please tell me what common sense and rational thinking you are talking about that you think prevailed? :laughat:

also i didnt call anybody a liar, but there are something things that were posted that were factually a lie and i pointed that out

if you disagree by all means, teach me a lesson and prove me wrong. COme on, man up and prove me wrong. :D

take anything i called a fact or i called not a fact and prove otherwise, i cant wait? maybe you are right LMAO :D
 
what does any of what you posted actually deal with what is being said about the facts here?

The facts are there!

You didn't read the article, did you. You know nothing of what was going on there and, what's more, you don't want to know. You must live in bliss.
 
Exactly. They turned them away and said go somewhere else. It's called 'passing the buck'.


again thats a nice opinion you have but its not passing the buck unless you can factually proof they knew the complains were factual and or that they were factually obligated to do more.

can you do that? if so, ill agree with you 100%
 
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The facts are there!

You didn't read the article, did you. You know nothing of what was going on there and, what's more, you don't want to know. You must live in bliss.

wrong again! :laughat:
i see it says what was going on there how does that prove that PP knew??


oh thats right it doesnt LMAO

not bliss, i live in fact land ;)

so i ask you again, do you have any fact that show PP knew? if so they are in big trouble.
 
So that's all you got? Is that when common sense, and rational thinking prevails, all you can do is call people liars, and dishonest? I recall other arguments like that......In the 1st grade....Congratulations, you're getting better....

His best and favorite comeback is LOL, a term he use's relentlessly even when there is nothing to LOL about.
 
His best and favorite comeback is LOL, a term he use's relentlessly even when there is nothing to LOL about.
of course from your point of view it not funny, getting destroyed isnt ;)
 
Re: Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors

Or, at the very least criminal negligence, and could be named as an accessory after the fact. You would think as physicians that they have an ethical, as well as legal obligation to report this wrong doing....We are talking murder here for God's sake!

Hippocratic Oath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Do no harm."

Every physician that performs an abortion violates that oath.
 
Destroyed? Not even close, with your 1st grader argument style....

and yet you wont accept the challenge :laughat:
I didnt know using facts was just first grade, its weird, but when you become an adult you seel they use them too!
if im a first grader, teach me a lesson! COME ON!! lol

anything i said that wasnt a fact prove it was!

come on!

show me you didnt get destroyed :D
 
Please post proof that PP received complaints about "deplorable conditions at the clinic"

... So you are resting on the idea that women went to this house of horrors, saw enough wrong while there that they told Planned Parenthood about it when they visited, and what they told Planned Parenthood was bad enough that Planned Parenthood "encouraged" the women to report it to the authorities.... but Planned Parenthood didn't actually hear anything from all these women that would have clued them in that THEY should have contacted the authorities?

So they told planned parenthood... but they didn't tell planned parenthood anything really wrong... but plannned parenthood advised them as if they had heard them tell them something very wrong.... and what they told the police was wrong enough to launch a criminal investigation.

You realize you are in denial, don't you?
 
... So you are resting on the idea that women went to this house of horrors, saw enough wrong while there that they told Planned Parenthood about it when they visited, and what they told Planned Parenthood was bad enough that Planned Parenthood "encouraged" the women to report it to the authorities.... but Planned Parenthood didn't actually hear anything from all these women that would have clued them in that THEY should have contacted the authorities?

So they told planned parenthood... but they didn't tell planned parenthood anything really wrong... but plannned parenthood advised them as if they had heard them tell them something very wrong.... and what they told the police was wrong enough to launch a criminal investigation.

You realize you are in denial, don't you?

thats some awesome fantasy and assumption you just came up with :lamo
only person in denial is that you think that post above you wrote is true or what anybody said LOL

MAKE UP ANOTHER! MAKE UP ANOTHER PLEEEEEEASE!
 
Then what "complaints" or "problems" do you think these women might have been referring to, keeping in mind that there were babies feet stored in glass jars, blood everywhere, filthy surroundings, and so on. Do you tend to believe these complaints took the form of not keeping appointments, or something along that line?

Read the Grand Jury report it seems other than some broken and unsterilized equipment and perhaps dirty surroundings, the
gory blood , tissue remains , feet in jars etc was in the basement where the clients would not see them.
 
... So you are resting on the idea that women went to this house of horrors, saw enough wrong while there that they told Planned Parenthood about it when they visited, and what they told Planned Parenthood was bad enough that Planned Parenthood "encouraged" the women to report it to the authorities.... but Planned Parenthood didn't actually hear anything from all these women that would have clued them in that THEY should have contacted the authorities?

So they told planned parenthood... but they didn't tell planned parenthood anything really wrong... but plannned parenthood advised them as if they had heard them tell them something very wrong.... and what they told the police was wrong enough to launch a criminal investigation.

You realize you are in denial, don't you?

I realize that I won't come to conclusions that the facts don't support and that this isn't true for everyone
 
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