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Planned Parenthood Knew of Gosnell's Abortion Horrors [W:24]

sangha said:
There is no evidence that PP knew of any crime.
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They clearly knew of wrong doing, or they would not refer people to the health department
 
Grant said:
Actually 'the specifics' are quite clear. There was blood all over the place, babies feet were being stored in jars, put in toilets, at least one woman died, others became deathly ill, venereal diseases were being spread from patient to patient and perhaps hundreds of viable babies were murdered. Had you read what was going on there you might not be so dismissive of 'the problems' or 'the complaints'.
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There is no evidence PP knew of the things you mention

You can't demonstrate the moral superiority of your position by lying about PP
 
j-mac said:
"Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

18 USC § 4 - Misprision of felony | Title 18 - Crimes and Criminal Procedure | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute
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There is no evidence that PP knew of any actual felonies being committed

You can't demonstrate the moral superiority of your position by lying about PP
 
AGENT J said:
again thanks for supporting why the thread title is wrong! awesome!!!

unless of course you know who at PP had factual knowledge of felonies? do you have a link to that? because if you do somebody at PP is going down!
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are the health code violations, and many of the numerous other issues at this facility, classified as 'felonies"? I'm pretty sure there was a lot going on there that someone could easily refer to as "horrors" that would not raise to the level of a felony violation of the law. Inversely, I don't think people would be referring to "check fraud" and "copy right infringement" when they are referring to such 'horrors".
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
They clearly knew of wrong doing, or they would not refer people to the health department
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No they don't need to know of any wrong doing.
Anytime anyone has a complaint about any medical care or clinic they should be told to contact the health department.

My aunt used to be a county visiting nurse and by the time she retired in the 1970s she was in charge of all the visiting nurses in her district which included 4 counties.

Any complaints minor or major were referred to the Health Department.
 
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sangha said:
What wrongdoing was PP aware of? Be specific
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Again, we just covored this. We don't know what specific incidences were reported. What we do know is ***&that the PP employees who heard these complaints thought they were serious enough to warrant reporting*** to the health department.

You can't demonstrate the moral superiority of your position by lying about PP
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Is that some knew catch phrase? It might carry more weight if it actually applied to what you are responding to
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
We know the general nature of the facility and that planned parenthood thought they were actionable. So yes, given what we know, planned parenthood was morally and professionally obligated to report such things, even if not legally so.

In fact, I find it absolutely amazing that anyone would argue against this.
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we might know the general nature of the facility because of the trial, PP knew less than that at the time of complaints, you dont get to mix these, this is way my friends marriage example totaly destroys this illogical argument

i find it amazing that you have the opinion that they were professionally and morally obligated to report something which you have no facts to support lol

tell us why you think its weird that we want FACTS? LMAO

also what facts do we have that prove the PP thought the conditions were actionable?
 
minnie616 said:
No they need to need to know of any wrong doing.
Anytime anyone has a complaint about any medical care they should be told to contact the health department.
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the health department isn't some grand mediator between the public and their medical professionals. They handle issues that are actionable under the law and professional guidelines. So it makes no sense to refer to someone to such unless they fit that criteria

My aunt used to be a county visiting nurse and by the time she retired in the 1970s she was in charge of all the visiting nurses in her district which included 4 counties.

Any complaints minor or major were referred to the Health Department.
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I know a number of doctors personally, and deal with doctors quite often due to my health issues. And never have been referred to the health department due to complaints about poor bedside manner, and various other things that I would consider "minor".
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
They clearly knew of wrong doing, or they would not refer people to the health department
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nope, this is 100% a guess LMAO

what facts do you have to support this???

so when im working with youth athletics and one of my players come to me and they tell me an indecent that happened at school and have complaints about it I KNOW of wrong doing????

and when i tell them that type of behavior wont happen on my field or at practice and they need to report that stuff to their parents and the school that means i clearly knew of wrong doing?

thats a good one:lamo
 
AGENT J said:
we might know the general nature of the facility because of the trial, PP knew less than that at the time of complaints
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It was never asserted that PP knew the general nature of the facility. What was asserted that we know of the general nature o the facility, and we know the complaints were viewed as serious enough by the PP staff to warrant referral to the health department

So please learn to read with precision.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
are the health code violations, and many of the numerous other issues at this facility, classified as 'felonies"? I'm pretty sure there was a lot going on there that someone could easily refer to as "horrors" that would not raise to the level of a felony violation of the law. Inversely, I don't think people would be referring to "check fraud" and "copy right infringement" when they are referring to such 'horrors".
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translation: you are guessing and have ZERO proof that PP was factually aware of anything except complaints

thanks but i already knew this much LMAO
 
AGENT J said:
nope, this is 100%
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so your claiming they referred people to the health department because they didn't think there was wrong doing?
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Again, we just covored this. We don't know what specific incidences were reported. What we do know is ***&that the PP employees who heard these complaints thought they were serious enough to warrant reporting*** to the health department.
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how do you know this?

how do you know they dont say the same thing for all complaints?

i smell another assumption to support your biased opinion.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
are the health code violations, and many of the numerous other issues at this facility, classified as 'felonies"? I'm pretty sure there was a lot going on there that someone could easily refer to as "horrors" that would not raise to the level of a felony violation of the law. Inversely, I don't think people would be referring to "check fraud" and "copy right infringement" when they are referring to such 'horrors".
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There is no evidence that PP knew about the health code violations or any other felonious behavior at Gosnell's clinic.

You can't demonstrate the moral superiority of your position by lying about PP
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Again, we just covored this. We don't know what specific incidences were reported. What we do know is ***&that the PP employees who heard these complaints thought they were serious enough to warrant reporting*** to the health department.



Is that some knew catch phrase? It might carry more weight if it actually applied to what you are responding to
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It does not need to be serious to complain. Maybe a patient thought they waited too long in waiting room or there was not enough parking or that employees smoked too close to building or they had to wait a few days for an appointment, we know there might have been serious complaints too. We heard the patients were told to call the health dept but we do not know how many of the planned parenthood workers also called in. I know I most likely would have called the Heath dept. had I heard complaints.
 
AGENT J said:
translation: you are guessing and have ZERO proof that PP was factually aware of anything except complaints
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we are discussing the complaints and what action should have been taken due to them. So this objection seems strange at best
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Again, we just covored this. We don't know what specific incidences were reported. What we do know is ***&that the PP employees who heard these complaints thought they were serious enough to warrant reporting*** to the health department.



Is that some knew catch phrase? It might carry more weight if it actually applied to what you are responding to
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You don't know **** is right. for example, you don't know if PP employees told anyone with a complaint, no matter how small, to report it to the health dept.
 
minnie616 said:
It does not need to be serious to complain.
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No one said it did. What was stated was that it had to be viewed as actionable for that complaint to warrant a referral to the health department
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
It was never asserted that PP knew the general nature of the facility. What was asserted that we know of the general nature o the facility, and we know the complaints were viewed as serious enough by the PP staff to warrant referral to the health department

So please learn to read with precision.
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nope we do not know this, its something you made up LMAO

so take your own advice because you are failing big, we arent buying your assumptions and guesses as facts

so please learn to understand facts vs vs your meaninglessness guess and assumptions
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
the health department isn't some grand mediator between the public and their medical professionals. They handle issues that are actionable under the law and professional guidelines. So it makes no sense to refer to someone to such unless they fit that criteria
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No, it makes no sense for PP to judge whether the complaints it heard of were "actionable" or not. It makes sense for PP to encourage it's clients to report *any* complaints, valid or not, to the proper authorities.



I know a number of doctors personally, and deal with doctors quite often due to my health issues. And never have been referred to the health department due to complaints about poor bedside manner, and various other things that I would consider "minor".
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The plural of "anecdote" is not "statistics"
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
so your claiming they referred people to the health department because they didn't think there was wrong doing?
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nope, unlike you i would never make illogical assumptions like that because i have no biased involved that makes my posts be dishonest.

what i said was is you are GUESSING, next time quote the whole post it will help you out. nice try to deflect but you failed.
 
sangha said:
You don't know **** is right. for example, you don't know if PP employees told anyone with a complaint, no matter how small, to report it to the health dept.
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I never been in a situation medically, and know of no medical professional who refers all complaint to the health department. The only such incidents I have heard referred to such authorities, is where there is concern for actionable behavior
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
so your claiming they referred people to the health department because they didn't think there was wrong doing?
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No, he is saying that he doesn't know why PP referred people to the health dept and your claim that the referral was because PP thought the complaints were "actionable" is nothing but a lie
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
we are discussing the complaints and what action should have been taken due to them. So this objection seems strange at best
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im sure it does seem strange to you since its based on facts and you are basing yours on opinion :shrug:
 
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