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White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

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This is good news, I'm glad that Senator Lindsay Graham's opinion on this didn't prevail.


The White House said Monday it will not treat the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon attack as an enemy combatant.

White House press secretary Jay Carney said that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who was charged Monday with using a weapon of mass destruction to kill and injure people, would be tried as a terrorist in the federal court system.

"This is absolutely the right way to go and the appropriate way to go,” Carney said a Monday’s White House press briefing.

Carney said the department of Justice and Attorney General Eric Holder, as well the entire national security team, support not trying the terror suspect as an enemy combatant.

Number of Republicans had called on the Obama administration to declare Tsarnaev an enemy combatant and put him in military detention in order to gather intelligence from him. They argue this would allow the goverment to gather more information from Tsarnaev for a longer period of time.

The government has yet to read Tsarnaev his Miranda rights, and Carney on Monday declined to comment on how long the Justice Department might question Tsarnaev under the public safety exemption from Miranda.​




Read more: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant - The Hill's Video
 
Should be interesting to see

* how long they can use the public safety exemption
* where will he be held pending trial(i.e. general population, solitary )
* where & when will the trial be/take place
 
This will cost Boston $1 billion in security for this trial. Exagerrating to make a point.
 
Jetboogieman said:
And that point is...?
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Just that the security detail for this trial is going to be like none other. The entire city - the entire country, for that matter - will be a serious target for terror during that trial. He'll be a cult hero and inspiration to al-Quaida cells everywhere.
 
Erod said:
Just that the security detail for this trial is going to be like none other. The entire city - the entire country, for that matter - will be a serious target for terror during that trial. He'll be a cult hero and inspiration to al-Quaida cells everywhere.
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What about the cost for the personal and property damage from the damn explosions?

What about the cost of the manhunt?

What about the cost of medical treatment for all of the injured victims?

Let him be a martyr - we will continue to hunt them down and kill them.

Our asses have been hanging in the breeze since 9/11.

The trial is the least of our worries.

Cripe!
 
They will probably remove the case from Boston. I have heard some speculate they could send the trial to the 4th Circuit, probably Virginia, which is pretty merciless when it comes to criminals and their appeals.
 
Erod said:
Just that the security detail for this trial is going to be like none other. The entire city - the entire country, for that matter - will be a serious target for terror during that trial. He'll be a cult hero and inspiration to al-Quaida cells everywhere.
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Those military tribunals did not have a good success rate.
 
SMTA said:
What about the cost for the personal and property damage from the damn explosions?

What about the cost of the manhunt?

What about the cost of medical treatment for all of the injured victims?

Let him be a martyr - we will continue to hunt them down and kill them.

Our asses have been hanging in the breeze since 9/11.

The trial is the least of our worries.

Cripe!
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I don't disagree with any of that. I was merely making a point.
 
Just further proof that the police shouldn't have allowed this worthless waste of flesh and oxygen to be taken alive.
 
If we can do it legally with Timothy McVeigh, we can do if for this guy too.
 
Erod said:
This will cost Boston $1 billion in security for this trial. Exagerrating to make a point.
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And the point would be to forsake the Bill of Rights because of the cost involved? :shock::(
 
Erod said:
Just that the security detail for this trial is going to be like none other. The entire city - the entire country, for that matter - will be a serious target for terror during that trial. He'll be a cult hero and inspiration to al-Quaida cells everywhere.
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Actually, I believe the AQ folks are distancing themselves from this. Yes, they accept the "help" of Chechnyans in conflicts around the world, but it's the dog on the leash sort of arrangement in my view. Once the dog goes off leash they want nothing to do with it.
 
pbrauer said:
And the point would be to forsake the Bill of Rights because of the cost involved? :shock::(
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No, no, no. I'm just stating that this will be very challenging from a number of standoints, including the financial burden of security detail. In fact, I'm not sure true security will be possible since the target zone for terrorists is the entire United States essentially.
 
clownboy said:
Actually, I believe the AQ folks are distancing themselves from this. Yes, they accept the "help" of Chechnyans in conflicts around the world, but it's the dog on the leash sort of arrangement in my view. Once the dog goes off leash they want nothing to do with it.
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Perhaps, but even though it was minimally successful by their sick standards, it still captures the world's attention for a week. You know they enjoyed watching the entire city of Boston getting shut down by a teenager with homemade pressure-cooker bombs.
 
give the prick his trial.

this terrorism **** pisses me off to no end, but screwing up our founding principles to deal with the terrorists is awful, also. there are a bunch down in Guantanamo bay who should be tried, as well.
 
Erod said:
Just that the security detail for this trial is going to be like none other. The entire city - the entire country, for that matter - will be a serious target for terror during that trial. He'll be a cult hero and inspiration to al-Quaida cells everywhere.
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So what do you propose we do instead?
 
Personally I'm very happy this young nimrod will be tried in civilian court. I believe it will be very good for us to show ourselves, and the world, we can deal with our citizens in a manner consistent with our talk when they go off the rails in this way.

The police and the FBI did their jobs with alacrity, now let's see if the court system can do the same.
 
Tigger said:
Just further proof that the police shouldn't have allowed this worthless waste of flesh and oxygen to be taken alive.
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Of course they should. They can't mine a dead body for information.
 
Jetboogieman said:
So what do you propose we do instead?
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Depends. If this entails training and contact with elements of al-Quaida, much like the cell in Canada caught today, are you in favor of a trial conducted in the same courtroom and manner as a drug dealer or a prostitution ring?

When the crime involves a terrorist attack on the country in general, rather than violence toward specific citizens, it seems to fall into a very different category than what our court system is designed to handle.

I'm not so sure this is a case for Judge Judy.
 
Erod said:
Depends. If this entails training and contact with elements of al-Quaida, much like the cell in Canada caught today, are you in favor of a trial conducted in the same courtroom and manner as a drug dealer or a prostitution ring?

When the crime involves a terrorist attack on the country in general, rather than violence toward specific citizens, it seems to fall into a very different category than what our court system is designed to handle.

I'm not so sure this is a case for Judge Judy.
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How is it "Not what the court system was designed to handle".

Essentially what he's done is murder.

That's exactly what courts are for...

Just because it's terrorism related doesn't mean the guy shouldn't get a trial... James Holmes killed alot more people than these brothers and he's getting a trial.

What you've said here isn't really a proposition...

What specifically would you do instead?
 
Our court system is designed to handle citizens who commit such acts just fine. We have a history of doing so going all the way back. We deal with serial killers and mass murderers with a "cause", we can deal with this one.
 
Jetboogieman said:
How is it "Not what the court system was designed to handle".

Essentially what he's done is murder.

That's exactly what courts are for...

Just because it's terrorism related doesn't mean the guy shouldn't get a trial... James Holmes killed alot more people than these brothers and he's getting a trial.

What you've said here isn't really a proposition...

What specifically would you do instead?
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If there is a connection to a foreign terrorist group, it is an act of war against the United States. I understand that this isn't technically a country attacking the U.S. (although we know several countries support these organizations), but it doesn't fall into the same category as simply murder.

I agree with not reading Miranda rights for that reason, and I would not have a problem is this was handled within a military tribunal.

If for no other reason, to protect the judge and jury that will preside over this case, as they will likely become instant targets of al-Quaida.

Would you want to be on that jury?
 
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