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Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

madman said:
Im not talking about what some guy named Jesus taught, im talking about those that call themselves "christians" and dont act like christian.
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Not for you to judge.
 
Once more, the unions protect the good and decent folk from the conservatives...





No no, put down the torches and pitchforks, it was just a joke. I find the Westboro Baptist Church to be some of the most despicable people in this country. Why can't one of these crazy mass shooters show up where they are? It might be the only time I'd ever be a supporter of violence.
 
madman said:
Ohhh the IRONY.

I'll judge who ever i want. I dont have the follow that book of fairytales.
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Sure, you have that right. And people have the right to consider you an A******.
 
danarhea said:
Alright, sing it with me.....

"Look for the union label
When you are kicking an extremist's fat ass" :mrgreen:

Go get 'em, Teamsters and bikers. Rock their friggen' world.

Article is here.
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If I'm not mistaken, Westboro had it's right to conduct such protests upheld by the Supreme Court under the 1st amendment and the ruling wasn't close.

If you believe in the constitution, you can't just believe in it when it suits your purpose or when you agree with the way someone is exercising their rights under the constitution.

If the Teamsters and others wish to counter protest, more power to them - attacking them as they protest, not so much.

I understand the church decided not to protest so problem solved and please don't misinterpret my comments as agreement with what the church does, I just support their rights to do so.
 
Thank you "union thugs"
 
Bring on the Patriot Guard Riders!
 
CanadaJohn said:
If I'm not mistaken, Westboro had it's right to conduct such protests upheld by the Supreme Court under the 1st amendment and the ruling wasn't close.

If you believe in the constitution, you can't just believe in it when it suits your purpose or when you agree with the way someone is exercising their rights under the constitution.

If the Teamsters and others wish to counter protest, more power to them - attacking them as they protest, not so much.

I understand the church decided not to protest so problem solved and please don't misinterpret my comments as agreement with what the church does, I just support their rights to do so.
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Then fine, let them protest and tell the whole world that the victims the families are burying are going to hell....

But not in their friggen' faces, at their friggen' church, during their friggen' funerals, while they are friggen' grieving. The first Amendment does not apply to screwing over someone else's right to privacy, and they deserve a good ass kicking for it.

Rights have limitations and responsibilities. You have the right to go anywhere you want, but if you break into my home, you get shot. By the same token, if Westboro Baptist Church tries to disrupt a funeral, then you can bet your ass that the Supreme Court will uphold the rights of the victims and their families to defend their right to privacy. Let the union and bikers put their stamp of disapproval on their sick asses. And I pray to God.... Not their God, but the real God, who despises these assholes.... that it hurts like the place they are going to when they die.
 
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danarhea said:
Then fine, let them protest and tell the whole world that the victims the families are burying are going to hell....
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As I pointed out earlier, in the Snyder case, the family wasn't even aware that the Phelps clan was there until they saw it reported on the news. So the current laws dealing with protests around cemeteries seem to be doing their job.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Don't the westboro baptist church have any shame? I thought scum would at least have shame.
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Calling the WBC scum would be an upgrade, they are lower than scum.

As for the OP, I rarely like Union actions or unions, the Teamster Union has a bad reputation but I 100% support this action on their part. Good on 'em.
 
madman said:
all religions have a degree of hate.
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I disagree. I'm Catholic but don't hate sinners, just the sin(though I'm not all that religious). I'm not a huge fan of Southern Baptists because we had a preacher who was instrumental in getting most of our "blue laws" passed around here, BUT, there was a Baptist group from Texas who came down here to help with feeding and caring for SE Louisiana refugees when Katrina hit, nice people and all they wanted to do was help out, didn't even try to spread the word unless asked. That's the opposite of hate, they lived the word during very trying times.
 
CanadaJohn said:
If I'm not mistaken, Westboro had it's right to conduct such protests upheld by the Supreme Court under the 1st amendment and the ruling wasn't close.

If you believe in the constitution, you can't just believe in it when it suits your purpose or when you agree with the way someone is exercising their rights under the constitution.

If the Teamsters and others wish to counter protest, more power to them - attacking them as they protest, not so much.

I understand the church decided not to protest so problem solved and please don't misinterpret my comments as agreement with what the church does, I just support their rights to do so.
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This is why I disagree with the courts on the issue. Yes, WBC has a right to free speach and as detestible and absolutely horrid as their speech is, it must be protected.

Here is where I think the line should have been drawn.........and in accordance with many SCOTUS tests established in the last century.
1) Time/Place/Manner - saying "we disagree with homosexuality and feel in our hearts that soldier deaths are a punsihment" is a far cry from "Thank God for dead soldiers" or "God hates fags" during a time of sadness, i.e., the burial of a loved one.
- Time - During that mourning period
- Place - Cemetary, which is a private establishment. As well the family is paying for the funeral, it is at that time "their space"
- Manner - Such that it could cause a situation of violent confrontation. (I know if I lost a loved one and someone picketed their funeral I'd be ready to tear their head off.....literally)
2) Fighting words; The doctrine specifically states that violence is not subject to legal enforcement, and speech is not protected should it become such that the average person upon hearing it would be compelled to such anger that they would engage in violence. If pissing on the funeral of a loved one doesn't meet that I don't know what does.
3) Is it SLAPPS protected? SLAPPS being(Serious, Literary, Artistic, Political, philisophical, or Scientific) value, anything that meets SLAPPS is absolutely protected, but that which appeals to a prurient interest as defined by the average person withing a community which fails the test is much less protected. To me, picketing a funeral is too low to meet any basic standard of protection.
 
LaMidRighter said:
This is why I disagree with the courts on the issue. Yes, WBC has a right to free speach and as detestible and absolutely horrid as their speech is, it must be protected.

Here is where I think the line should have been drawn.........and in accordance with many SCOTUS tests established in the last century.
1) Time/Place/Manner - saying "we disagree with homosexuality and feel in our hearts that soldier deaths are a punsihment" is a far cry from "Thank God for dead soldiers" or "God hates fags" during a time of sadness, i.e., the burial of a loved one.
- Time - During that mourning period
- Place - Cemetary, which is a private establishment. As well the family is paying for the funeral, it is at that time "their space"
- Manner - Such that it could cause a situation of violent confrontation. (I know if I lost a loved one and someone picketed their funeral I'd be ready to tear their head off.....literally)
2) Fighting words; The doctrine specifically states that violence is not subject to legal enforcement, and speech is not protected should it become such that the average person upon hearing it would be compelled to such anger that they would engage in violence. If pissing on the funeral of a loved one doesn't meet that I don't know what does.
3) Is it SLAPPS protected? SLAPPS being(Serious, Literary, Artistic, Political, philisophical, or Scientific) value, anything that meets SLAPPS is absolutely protected, but that which appeals to a prurient interest as defined by the average person withing a community which fails the test is much less protected. To me, picketing a funeral is too low to meet any basic standard of protection.
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Snyder wasn't even aware they were protesting his son's funeral until he heard about it on the news.
 
danarhea said:
Then fine, let them protest and tell the whole world that the victims the families are burying are going to hell....

But not in their friggen' faces, at their friggen' church, during their friggen' funerals, while they are friggen' grieving. The first Amendment does not apply to screwing over someone else's right to privacy, and they deserve a good ass kicking for it.

Rights have limitations and responsibilities. You have the right to go anywhere you want, but if you break into my home, you get shot. By the same token, if Westboro Baptist Church tries to disrupt a funeral, then you can bet your ass that the Supreme Court will uphold the rights of the victims and their families to defend their right to privacy. Let the union and bikers put their stamp of disapproval on their sick asses. And I pray to God.... Not their God, but the real God, who despises these assholes.... that it hurts like the place they are going to when they die.
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Eight Supreme Court justices disagree with you, already ruling that Westboro has the 1st amendment right to protest funerals the way they do. That doesn't mean they can "disrupt" the funeral, which to my knowledge they don't. The Supreme Court, both the ideologically left and right, ruled on the right to protest, not the content of the protest. You should be happy that your Supreme Court doesn't make value judgements on the content of protest - I wish Canada had the same common sense justices.
 
LaMidRighter said:
To me, picketing a funeral is too low to meet any basic standard of protection.
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I don't disagree with much of what you said, but it's based on the content of the protest. I too agree that what they do is despicable and the lowest of the low, however, I'm glad your Supreme Court doesn't/didn't make that judgement. Our Supreme Court has been more intrusive into the content of free speech and I wish it held similar views to yours.
 
madman said:
does someone have hurt feelings? :mrgreen:
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Not at all. I don't get my feelings hurt by anonymous internet bullies that I don't even know in real life...But I do call it like I see it. See, most people that act like you do on the net have serious issues with interaction in real life, and most likely are virtual loners that find some sort of sick satisfaction through instigation, and dumb ass commentary that in most cases has nothing to do with any particular topic they post in, but rather is meant to intentionally inflame others. They in most cases are generally losers that have real issues from their childhood, either they were bullied, or suffer from some disorder like depression that causes them to lash out. So, are my feelings hurt? No sir, far from, I only feel pity for you.
 
j-mac said:
Not at all. I don't get my feelings hurt by anonymous internet bullies that I don't even know in real life...But I do call it like I see it. See, most people that act like you do on the net have serious issues with interaction in real life, and most likely are virtual loners that find some sort of sick satisfaction through instigation, and dumb ass commentary that in most cases has nothing to do with any particular topic they post in, but rather is meant to intentionally inflame others. They in most cases are generally losers that have real issues from their childhood, either they were bullied, or suffer from some disorder like depression that causes them to lash out. So, are my feelings hurt? No sir, far from, I only feel pity for you.
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Can we go back and revisit your assertion about christian and judgement???
sweet irony :2wave:

why is it that christians get their feelings hurt when you poo poo their religion but when it comes to politics, no hurt feelings card emerges?
After all, they choose BOTH a religion to follow and a political side.

I never got that.

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If WBC has the right to picket funerals, do we not all have the right to picket them...?
 
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