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Boston Marathon bombing suspect caught after day-long manhunt

Gina said:
There is the quote, in context. Please do not edit my posts to change the meaning.
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I felt no need to address the second part of your sentence (it's kinda ridiculous to stipulate that one needs to be killed by terrorists for them to not win). I chose to address the first part. There was no intention to change any meaning.
 
sangha said:
A terrorists goal is never to merely terrorize people.
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What else do you think they expected or intended to happen? What was their goal(s)?
 
ecofarm said:
How do you know? What were their goals?
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ecofarm said:
What else do you think they expected or intended to happen? What was their goal(s)?
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That's a question you should be asking yourself. You have insisted that their goal was merely to terrorize people even though you do not have one shred of evidence to support your absurd claim

I, on the other hand, have pointed out that every other terrorist had goals that went beyond merely terrorizing people.
 
sangha said:
Now you're just making stuff up because you're losing and getting desperate. The fact remains that the *only* way to judge if they "won" is to determine what their goal was, and to see f they achieved it.
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That's stupid. If their goal was to gain totalitarian control of the US, the two of them, then we can't lose no matter what happens short of that?

We cannot justify our actions by the fantasy of others.
 
ecofarm said:
I felt no need to address the second part of your sentence (it's kinda ridiculous to stipulate that one needs to be killed by terrorists for them to not win). I chose to address the first part. There was no intention to change any meaning.
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Well it did change the meaning and you are fully able to make your point, by quoting the sentence in full, if you can.
 
sangha said:
That's a question you should be asking yourself. You have insisted that their goal was merely to terrorize people even though you do not have one shred of evidence to support your absurd claim

I, on the other hand, have pointed out that every other terrorist had goals that went beyond merely terrorizing people.
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You misunderstand. I claim that at least one of their goals was to create terror.
 
Gina said:
Well it did change the meaning and you are fully able to make your point, by quoting the sentence in full, if you can.
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But I don't even really understand the second half of your sentence. You think that we need to die to terrorists to keep them from winning? That doesn't make sense. Thus, I just addressed the first part.
 
ecofarm said:
That's stupid. If their goal was to gain totalitarian control of the US, the two of them, then we can't lose no matter what happens short of that?

We cannot justify our actions by the fantasy of others.
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And once again you're just making crap up. This time, you're claiming that they wanted to gain totalitarian control of the US, even though you don't have a shred of evidence.
 
sangha said:
No it doesn't

What they want is for the US to stop interfering in the Middle East
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I think that's just a recruiting slogan.

If you remember, Al Qaeda said they declared war on America because we had American F-15's on Saudi Arabia soil. In 2003 we pulled all of those aircraft and 60,000 American troops out of Saudi Arabia but Al Qaeda continued to attack America.

And it's just not America who has been attacked by Al Qaeda and other Islamist extremist, the Great Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Italy all have been attacked.
 
ecofarm said:
You misunderstand. I claim that at least one of their goals was to create terror.
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Now your twisting the meaning of "goal". Again, creating terror is just a means to end for terrorists.

But if you think the goal is merely to create terror, then please name the terrorist whose goal was to create terror.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm trying to be reasonable. A guy and his kid brother, with pressure cookers, guns and no training just crippled a major city for a day. You think that's reasonable? So, they would have to destroy western civilization AND escape to win? Aren't you setting the goals for a couple of untrained dip****s with no real weaponry a bit high?
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How do you know they weren't trained, eco? Do you know something the FBI doesn't? If they didn't have any training then was it just dumb luck that both the bombs went off? First time bomb makers and they didn't practice or test the bombs to see if they even worked? I find that hard to believe.

Consider this eco, the older brother was trained when he went back to Russia for six months. The FBI is still investigating to find out if he was connected to broader terror cell or just acting on his own, which is probably why they haven't read the younger brother his Miranda rights yet.

Btw that "kid brother" is old enough to be considered an adult.
 
sangha said:
And once again you're just making crap up. This time, you're claiming that they wanted to gain totalitarian control of the US, even though you don't have a shred of evidence.
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You think I was claiming they wanted to gain totalitarian control of the US?

I was making a point not a claim. It seems you've missed the point. I'll try it again:

We cannot judge or justify our actions according to the fantasies of others.
 
APACHERAT said:
I think that's just a recruiting slogan.

If you remember, Al Qaeda said they declared war on America because we had American F-15's on Saudi Arabia soil. In 2003 we pulled all of those aircraft and 60,000 American troops out of Saudi Arabia but Al Qaeda continued to attack America.

And it's just not America who has been attacked by Al Qaeda and other Islamist extremist, the Great Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Italy all have been attacked.
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Once again, you are wrong.

Al Queda has listed a number of reasons for fighting us, including our support for Israel.

And the other nations who have been attacked were attacked because of their "meddling" in the Mid East.
 
Moot said:
How do you know they weren't trained, eco? Do you know something the FBI doesn't? If they didn't have any training then was it just dumb luck that both the bombs went off? First time bomb makers and they didn't practice or test the bombs to see if they even worked? I find that hard to believe.

Consider this eco, the older brother was trained when he went back to Russia for six months. The FBI is still investigating to find out if he was connected to broader terror cell which is probably why they haven't read the younger brothers Miranda rights yet.

Btw that younger brother is old enough to considered an adult.
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eco made an absurd claim, and is now finding himself needing to make even more absurd claims in order to avoid admitting that he was wrong. Now, he's claiming that they received no training or support, even though he doesn't have a shred of evidence.
 
danarhea said:
They found him hiding in a boat in someone's driveway, which leads me to make the following statement:

Someone is unclear on the concept of boats. They are useless as a getaway vehicle unless they are in the water. In the driveway, not so good.

Article is here.
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Sounds like it was good for resting while watching your own blood pool around you!
 
Moot said:
Btw that "kid brother" is old enough to be considered an adult.
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And young enough for me to bitch slap him without any worry.
 
ecofarm said:
You think I was claiming they wanted to gain totalitarian control of the US?

I was making a point not a claim. It seems you've missed the point. I'll try it again:

We cannot judge or justify our actions according to the fantasies of others.
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Again, there is no denying that a person or org can only "win" if they actually achieve their goal.
 
sangha said:
eco made an absurd claim, and is now finding himself needing to make even more absurd claims in order to avoid admitting that he was wrong.
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I claimed that at least one of their goals was to create terror.

Now, he's claiming that they received no training or support, even though he doesn't have a shred of evidence.
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There was no evidence whatsoever that they had recieved any training at the time of my post.
 
ecofarm said:
I claimed that at least one of their goals was to create terror.



There was no evidence whatsoever that they had recieved any training at the time of my post.
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Again, creating terror is means to an end. Saying that creating terror was a goal is like saying "Shooting guns" is a goal of war.

And the evidence that they have received training has been out for a while, but I understand why you won't admit that
 
sangha said:
No it doesn't

What they want is for the US to stop interfering in the Middle East
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No. You need to educate yourself about the religion. They believe that Islam needs to rule the world for so many years in order for the Mahdi to return. This isn't a political thing for radical Islams - it's religious. It's about the "end days" in their religion.

Mahdi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


 
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