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Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

SheWolf said:
You all talk like you're brainwashed or something. Pro choices really don't talk or approach this issue as if they are all Nazis.

You're basically debating a boogie man version of pro choices.

Do you ever think that maybe most people support abortion rights simply because making abortion illegal would create many undersired legal, social, and medical issues?
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I really can't imagine why you think I don't understand the pro-choice position. Thanks, though, for the Godwin. Illuminating.
 
cpwill said:
Bingo.
It's a linguistic necessity as old as mass-murder itself. "Jews, ahem, blacks, excuse me, native americans, sorry, chinese, woops I mean infants aren't people, they are [insert dehumanizing term here]."

Later we all look back and wonder with horror how people could ever have accepted that kind of evil. The ability of the human mind to self-deceive when it is in its interest to do so is powerful.
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What is a dehumanizing term?

I have seen some use some words, but they do it out lack of knowledge not genocidal tendencies. I wouldn't say its a huge occurrence though.
 
nota bene said:
I
really can't imagine why you think I don't understand the pro-choice position. Thanks, though, for the Godwin. Illuminating.
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I assume its because you don't understand the pro choice position and refuse to do so, as indicated by your lack of an actual response to my point on changing the legal status of abortion.
 
nota bene said:
No, the reason I don't have an answer is the same reason that you don't: We don't have the facts. Oh, and at in at least one state's big city, there was a demonstrable systemic failure. There may be others.

Which is my point.

You don't know any more than I do whether there are other horror stories out there.
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The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence runs strongly in your post. Keep at her nota, maybe if you wish hard enough you'll find 100 similar abortion clinics. I'll put money on this matter though. You willing to wage a platinum donation over your possition?
 
X Factor said:
How
about "parasite" and "cancer"? I've seen both.
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I said I have seen them, but that isn't language used heavily by everybody.

I think its kind of unfair to paint every pro choicer like that.
 
SheWolf said:
I said I have seen them, but that isn't language used heavily by everybody.

I think its kind of unfair to paint every pro choicer like that.
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I agree with that but I do see it fairly frequently, although that could just be from the same few people.
 
SheWolf said:
I assume its because you don't understand the pro choice position and refuse to do so, as indicated by your lack of an actual response to my point on changing the legal status of abortion.
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Of course, I understand the pro-choice position; I once held it. Was alive and enthusiastically sexually active when Roe v Wade was decided.

:lamo
 
SheWolf said:
I said I have seen them, but that isn't language used heavily by everybody.

I think its kind of unfair to paint every pro choicer like that.
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He didn't.
 
Hatuey said:
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence runs strongly in your post. Keep at her nota, maybe if you wish hard enough you'll find 100 similar abortion clinics. I'll put money on this matter though. You willing to wage a platinum donation over your possition?
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No, and your trying to call me out isn't going to work either. I have made plain my hope that there are no more states or cities that will discover similar abuses. You're ignoring this because it doesn't serve your purpose.
 
nota bene said:
Which is why we
need to work at rejecting self-deception, however convenient. There are fundamental values that are universal. One is that exerminating a subclass of human beings is wrong. Another is that "situational ethics" more often than not...aren't.
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Unborn life is not subhuman. You guys need to stop using so many strawmen.
 
SheWolf said:
Unborn life is not subhuman. You guys need to stop using so many strawmen.
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I don't understand why you're quoting me. I'm not "you guys," and what I said was "subclass," not "subhuman."
 
cpwill said:
Oh.
Goody. Hey if only 6% of the over 1 million troops who have deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan started mass-murdering local nationals, would you think that was a problem, or not? Because as I recall a couple of squads worth of folks was deemed worth multiple massive above-the-folds NYTimes headlines, huge national "conversations", investigations.....



I have equal evidence as your claim that 94% don't do this kind of crap :).

[quot]Reply to what? Your emotional outburst?
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:) the accurate description of the conditions which lead (and will continue to lead) to these kinds of results.[/QUOTE]

Even if troops aren't going around and participating in mass murder, lots if innocent children and people are still killed in war. The state department usually lumps then in with the term "collateral damage."

I would say that that is definitely a dehumanizing term.

I also know some servicemen who "dehumanized" the people they are fighting against, calling them rugheads and other racial terms.

Does none of that bother you at all?
 
Hatuey said:
Spare me from your high horse. It bores me how see through you are.

Hey look, it happens. So what? Prosecute the people responsible - end of story.

No reason to start crying and bitching about the "infants" or getting panties in a bunch over the horribly mangled children being compared to slaves, chinese railroad workers and whatever other nonsensical comparison people are making to tie abortion to a fictional holocaust.
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A typical Nazi rationalization. This holocaust in not fictional at all. Many Muslims and left wingers still deny the Jewish Holocaust, and I see the same thing happening here.
 
SheWolf said:
Unborn life is not subhuman. You guys need to stop using so many strawmen.
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I'm glad to see you say that but every argument you say is a "strawman", I've seen some pro-choicers actually make. I do think it's possible to be pro-choice and still be realistic about the destruction of human life that abortion is.
 
Hatuey said:
WHERE ARE THE STATISTICS? Why has nobody kept track of incidents like this? If they're "systematic" - there should at least be one pro-life watch dog out there with the evidence to back it up. However, there aren't. There aren't dozens of butcher shops lightly disguised as abortion clinics and in the last 10 years not a SINGLE group has thought to keep track of the dozens that should - theoretically - exist. Why? It seems after such a horrible incident - there would be AT LEAST - one pro-life abortion clinic watch dog ready to come up with facts. There aren't.
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If you were familiar with the case you would know that there were people protesting but they were ignored as being anti abortion fanatics, Only now are their stories coming to light.
 
nota bene said:
Of
course, I understand the pro-choice position; I once held it. Was alive and enthusiastically sexually active when Roe v Wade was decided.

:lamo
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We are a different generation and think differently.

So did you run around saying unborn life was subhuman and undesirable? Did you think it was ok to kill newborns and snap their spinal cords, etc?
 
Grant said:
A typical Nazi rationalization. This holocaust in not fictional at all. Many Muslims and left wingers still deny the Jewish Holocaust, and I see the same thing happening here.
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Lolz, I'm about to put a bunch of fetuses in the gas chamber. Wanna tag along? Frankly, I think you'll enjoy it.
 
nota bene said:
No, and your trying to call me out isn't going to work either. I have made plain my hope that there are no more states or cities that will discover similar abuses. You're ignoring this because it doesn't serve your purpose.
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I called you out on the fact that this isn't happening in anywhere near the numbers you want it to. So.. put your money where your duck and dodging mouth is. Platinum donation?
 
AreteCourage said:
It is horrible what happened here. I believe if they are found guilty...nothing short of life in prison should be used. I'm more in favor of death if absolutely proved guilty.

However, I don't think this makes any case for abortions to be illegal. As a matter of fact, I think it does the opposite. Why? Well, if abortions become illegal they will go underground and more atrocious things like this will happen.
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What's the difference between 'going underground' and what's happening in cases like this?

It seems obvious that stricter controls are required with greater oversight. Everyone should be willing to accept that.
 
SheWolf said:
Do you ever think that maybe most people support abortion rights simply because making abortion illegal would create many undersired legal, social, and medical issues?
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Isn't that what happened here despite the pro abortion laws being in place?
 
SheWolf said:
I said I have seen them, but that isn't language used heavily by everybody.

I think its kind of unfair to paint every pro choicer like that.
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But your philosophical opponents are "brainwashed".
 
Hatuey said:
I called you out on the fact that this isn't happening in anywhere near the numbers you want it to. So.. put your money where your duck and dodging mouth is. Platinum donation?
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How do you know? We can certainly hope these aren't other "Houses of Horrors" around but there will certainly have to be some investigations, rather than waiting 17 years.
 
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