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Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

ChrisL said:
What in the heck do you think conception is? It IS impregnation! God help us all!
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You just argued that conception was fertilization. Now you're saying it's implantation (which is how pregnancy is defined)?
 
sangha said:
You just argued that conception was fertilization. Now you're saying it's implantation (which is how pregnancy is defined)?
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implantation =/= impregnation. Guess which word she used.

Another fail by you.
 
The right wing is working full time to pretend this is something that happens everyday in abortion clinics. Lolz. Losers.
 
"After the national controversy the deplorable conditions and brutal infanticides at the abortion center Kermit Gosnell ran drew national attention, Pennsylvania officials began cracking down on abortion center inspections.

The inspections, which hadn’t taken place in over a decade, turned up problems at two abortion centers also located in Philadelphia and the owner and operator of the centers has decided to shut them down and retire as opposed to correcting the problems."

Post-Gosnell Inspections Close Two Problematic Abortion Centers | LifeNews.com

Maybe this is a systemic failure only in Pennsylvania. But maybe not.
 
SheWolf said:
Its hard to take lifers seriously when you talk like this. Your posts read like Sangha's if he switched sides.
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:shrug: when I talk like what? When I describe the refusal to ascribe human terminology to an unborn child as dehumanization? Well, I mean, duh? It ain't praise-poetry.
 
Hatuey said:
The right wing is working full time to pretend this is something that happens everyday in abortion clinics. Lolz. Losers.
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nota bene said:
"After the national controversy the deplorable conditions and brutal infanticides at the abortion center Kermit Gosnell ran drew national attention, Pennsylvania officials began cracking down on abortion center inspections.

The inspections, which hadn’t taken place in over a decade, turned up problems at two abortion centers also located in Philadelphia and the owner and operator of the centers has decided to shut them down and retire as opposed to correcting the problems."...
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Well timed. Cpwill predicts Hatuey refuses to acknowledge that pro-lifers look like they may be more right than he is on this one.


It's not exactly rocket surgery:

1. There is a strong subset of the pro-choice movement which believes in things like partial-birth abortion, or even post-failed-abortion-abortion.
2. This subset is more likely to be actively involved in the abortion industry itself, placing them in a position to act out those beliefs.
3. Members of the abortion industry have strong financial incentives to either support / enact this position, or willfully ignore those who do.






For all the time we hear the left insisting that they oppose industries which make money off of the suffering or deaths of others, for all that we heard about evil doctors lopping off limbs to make a few bucks, now we actually get an example of that in action, but because it might make the public more disgusted with the abortion lobby, they rush instead to defend it.

Fail.

This is going to bite ya'll in the butts. I cannot encourage the pro-choice lobby enough to wrap themselves up as much as possible in Planned Parenthood in the immediate wake of the Gosnell case, and the subsequent things which shall come to light. Please defend the most extreme practitioners as strongly and as often as possible.
 
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cpwill said:
:shrug: when I talk like what? When I describe the refusal to ascribe human terminology to an unborn child as dehumanization? Well, I mean, duh? It ain't praise-poetry.
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It is dehumanization, and it's linguistically purposeful. Much easier to kill the undesireables if they aren't perceived actually human, you know.
 
nota bene said:
"After the national controversy the deplorable conditions and brutal infanticides at the abortion center Kermit Gosnell ran drew national attention, Pennsylvania officials began cracking down on abortion center inspections.

The inspections, which hadn’t taken place in over a decade, turned up problems at two abortion centers also located in Philadelphia and the owner and operator of the centers has decided to shut them down and retire as opposed to correcting the problems."

Post-Gosnell Inspections Close Two Problematic Abortion Centers | LifeNews.com

Maybe this is a systemic failure only in Pennsylvania. But maybe not.
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1800+ abortion providers in the country. 50 of them in Pennsylvania. 2 were found to have issues, that evens out to.... a grand total of 4%. Hardly systematic.
 
nota bene said:
It is dehumanization, and it's linguistically purposeful. Much easier to kill the undesireables if they aren't perceived actually human, you know.
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Bingo. It's a linguistic necessity as old as mass-murder itself. "Jews, ahem, blacks, excuse me, native americans, sorry, chinese, woops I mean infants aren't people, they are [insert dehumanizing term here]."

Later we all look back and wonder with horror how people could ever have accepted that kind of evil. The ability of the human mind to self-deceive when it is in its interest to do so is powerful.
 
cpwill said:
Well timed. Cpwill predicts Hatuey refuses to acknowledge that pro-lifers look like they may be more right than he is on this one.


It's not exactly rocket surgery:

1. There is a strong subset of the pro-choice movement which believes in things like partial-birth abortion, or even post-failed-abortion-abortion.
2. This subset is more likely to be actively involved in the abortion industry itself, placing them in a position to act out those beliefs.
3. Members of the abortion industry have strong financial incentives to either support / enact this position, or willfully ignore those who do.






For all the time we hear the left insisting that they oppose industries which make money off of the suffering or deaths of others, for all that we heard about evil doctors lopping off limbs to make a few bucks, now we actually get an example of that in action, but because it might make the public more disgusted with the abortion lobby, they rush instead to defend it.

Fail.

This is going to bite ya'll in the butts. I cannot encourage the pro-choice lobby enough to wrap themselves up as much as possible in Planned Parenthood in the immediate wake of the Gosnell case, and the subsequent things which shall come to light. Please defend the most extreme practitioners as strongly and as often as possible.
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Quit your complaining. It's not happening in anywhere near the numbers you want it to and no amount of mental acrobatics are going to help you prove it. :shrug:
 
Hatuey said:
Quit your complaining. It's not happening in anywhere near the numbers you want it to and no amount of mental acrobatics are going to help you prove it. :shrug:
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This issue is that it's happening AT ALL. What's wrong with you?
 
Hatuey said:
1800+ abortion providers in the country. 50 of them in Pennsylvania. 2 were found to have issues, that evens out to.... a grand total of 4%. Hardly systematic.
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3 (Gosnell had some issues, as I recall). So it's 6%. That we have established thus far in the beginning of what is sure to be a wider sweep.

6% of 1800 is 108. So at best we have 108 murder mills that are more brutal than usual out there. Given 108 facilities pulling this kind of thing, I think we pretty much can say that it is likely to be an "something that happens every day", or at least, on a very regular basis.

Looks like calling pro-lifers losers on this issue is going to blow up in your face. You may want to reconsider your position.
 
Hatuey said:
Quit your complaining. It's not happening in anywhere near the numbers you want it to and no amount of mental acrobatics are going to help you prove it. :shrug:
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1. I dont' want it to be happening at all. I want the number of child-murders in the US to drop to zero.

2. It's interesting you can't actually reply.
 
nota bene said:
This issue is that it's happening AT ALL. What's wrong with you?
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Defending Abortion > Protecting Children. :shrug: Same Ole Story. Just a new horrific face.
 
nota bene said:
This issue is that it's happening AT ALL. What's wrong with you?
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Spare me from your high horse. It bores me how see through you are.

Hey look, it happens. So what? Prosecute the people responsible - end of story.

No reason to start crying and bitching about the "infants" or getting panties in a bunch over the horribly mangled children being compared to slaves, chinese railroad workers and whatever other nonsensical comparison people are making to tie abortion to a fictional holocaust.
 
cpwill said:
Bingo. It's a linguistic necessity as old as mass-murder itself. "Jews, ahem, blacks, excuse me, native americans, sorry, chinese, woops I mean infants aren't people, they are [insert dehumanizing term here]."

Later we all look back and wonder with horror how people could ever have accepted that kind of evil. The ability of the human mind to self-deceive when it is in its interest to do so is powerful.
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Which is why we need to work at rejecting self-deception, however convenient. There are fundamental values that are universal. One is that exerminating a subclass of human beings is wrong. Another is that "situational ethics" more often than not...aren't.
 
Hatuey said:
Spare me from your high horse. It bores me how see through you are.

Hey look, it happens. So what? Prosecute the people responsible - end of story.

No reason to start crying and bitching about the "infants" or getting panties in a bunch over the horribly mangled children being compared to slaves, chinese railroad workers and whatever other nonsensical comparison people are making to tie abortion to a fictional holocaust.
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:) It's times like these I like to remind myself that liberals aren't really people - they're hippies. There's no use getting upset. You can't expect them to demonstrate a moral compass because only people have consciences. AmIright? :roll:


"getting panties in a bunch over horribly mangled children". Yeah, why would anyone get upset over that?


Thank you, Hatuey, for adequately demonstrating the moral fiber of your position.
 
cpwill said:
3 (Gosnell had some issues, as I recall). So it's 6%. That we have established thus far in the beginning of what is sure to be a wider sweep.
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Lol 94% still working in order. :shrug:

6% of 1800 is 108. So at best we have 108 murder mills that are more brutal than usual out there. Given 108 facilities pulling this kind of thing, I think we pretty much can say that it is likely to be an "something that happens every day", or at least, on a very regular basis.

Looks like calling pro-lifers losers on this issue is going to blow up in your face. You may want to reconsider your position.
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You're reaching now and you know it. You have no evidence to even BEGIN claiming there are 108 clinics. Your emotions are getting the best of you.

cpwill said:
Defending Abortion > Protecting Children. :shrug: Same Ole Story. Just a new horrific face.
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cpwill said:
1. I dont' want it to be happening at all. I want the number of child-murders in the US to drop to zero.

2. It's interesting you can't actually reply.
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Reply to what? Your emotional outburst? Lolz. Spare me. You do better when you have statistical evidence. However, as you don't - and that which exists doesn't support the overblown outrage being made about this issue - I guess I can sympathize with you. You're hurt. The big bad intellectual war hero has a problem with abortions. I wonder why he doesn't just quit the military for all the children US bombs have killed? :shrug:
 
cpwill said:
:) It's times like these I like to remind myself that liberals aren't really people - they're hippies. There's no use getting upset. You can't expect them to demonstrate a moral compass because only people have consciences.


"getting panties in a bunch over horribly mangled children". Yeah, why would they get upset over that?
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No, you're wrong. They're people too and not just some label. I'm not going to play their game.
 
cpwill said:
:) It's times like these I like to remind myself that liberals aren't really people - they're hippies. There's no use getting upset. You can't expect them to demonstrate a moral compass because only people have consciences. AmIright? :roll:

"getting panties in a bunch over horribly mangled children". Yeah, why would anyone get upset over that?

Thank you, Hatuey, for adequately demonstrating the moral fiber of your position.
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Here is a violin a fetus could play:

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It's playing a very, very sad song for you.
 
Hatuey said:
Lol 94% still working in order.
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Oh. Goody. Hey if only 6% of the over 1 million troops who have deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan started mass-murdering local nationals, would you think that was a problem, or not? Because as I recall a couple of squads worth of folks was deemed worth multiple massive above-the-folds NYTimes headlines, huge national "conversations", investigations.....

You're reaching now and you know it. You have no evidence to even BEGIN claiming there are 108 clinics.
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I have equal evidence as your claim that 94% don't do this kind of crap :).

[quot]Reply to what? Your emotional outburst?[/quote]

:) the accurate description of the conditions which lead (and will continue to lead) to these kinds of results.
 
Hatuey said:
Lol 94% still working in order. :shrug:



You're reaching now and you know it. You have no evidence to even BEGIN claiming there are 108 clinics. Your emotions are getting the best of you.





Reply to what? Your emotional outburst? Lolz. Spare me. You do better when you have statistical evidence. However, as you don't - and that which exists doesn't support the overblown outrage being made about this issue - I guess I can sympathize with you. You're hurt. The big bad intellectual war hero has a problem with abortions. I wonder why he doesn't just quit the military for all the children US bombs have killed? :shrug:
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I don't even understand your personal crap at the end of the above post, but I would like to comment on what you've said about no statistical evidence. There isn't much...but maybe the Gosnell trial is going to encourage state agencies and also individual consciences to ask the right question. One city in Pennsylvania, and not some burg, didn't inspect Gosnell's clinic for 17 years. That's a systemic failure.

And what we don't know yet is how many others there are. I hope there aren't any. Any at all. But there might be. And you don't know any more than I do what the future facts may be. You cannot claim that this is a one-off.
 
cpwill said:
Oh. Goody. Hey if only 6% of the over 1 million troops who have deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan started mass-murdering local nationals, would you think that was a problem, or not? Because as I recall a couple of squads worth of folks was deemed worth multiple massive above-the-folds NYTimes headlines, huge national "conversations", investigations....
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Qu'est que c'est? No. I wouldn't. Why? Do you even know who you're speaking to? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though.

I have equal evidence as your claim that 94% don't do this kind of crap :).
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The onus is on you to prove this is systematic in the country or even somewhere close. What? Are you playing the "You have to prove I'm wrong" game? Nah buddy. Find me a statistic showing cases like these are regular. Then we'll go from there. However, we know they're no. What is known so far is that this is a rare issue.

Why? Well, the popularity of the case and the lack of cases before it. Now, Conservatives are turning into a situation similar to the 1980s mass pedophilia outbreaks. It's not really happening but they still want to prove it is. Chances are 1 year from now, nothing will have come from the dozens of new inspections and life will continue as normal.

:) the accurate description of the conditions which lead (and will continue to lead) to these kinds of results.
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Accurate? By who's accounts? Yours? Lolz. Please, stop it with the emotionality. It's depressing to watch.
 
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