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Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

So after 500 posts, is there still anyone who thinks an aborted baby swimming in a toilet is an okay thing? How far are we going to carry this need to support abortion; is it unlimited? Supporting the right to abortions is one thing, but carrying it to a despicable level of carnage is completely something else.
 
So after 500 posts, is there still anyone who thinks an aborted baby swimming in a toilet is an okay thing? How far are we going to carry this need to support abortion; is it unlimited? Supporting the right to abortions is one thing, but carrying it to a despicable level of carnage is completely something else.

I tend to be far less attached to ideology than most, but I think people in general tend to get into some questionable area when they place greater value on their ideology than they do their independence. It acts as an almost tribal thing in that people are able to overlook something if enough of their mates do, and when the punishment meted out by way of social ostracism exceeds that of the reward for showing an independent mind. It's something along the lines of the true believer and works a bit like boiling lobsters. The idealogical end product can be pretty arch, but the steps taken to arrive at it tiny.
 
So after 500 posts, is there still anyone who thinks an aborted baby swimming in a toilet is an okay thing? How far are we going to carry this need to support abortion; is it unlimited? Supporting the right to abortions is one thing, but carrying it to a despicable level of carnage is completely something else.


Peter Singer of Princeton who believes it is acceptable to kill babies up to 6 months old.

Peter Singer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This man is a reprobate.
 
Peter Singer of Princeton who believes it is acceptable to kill babies up to 6 months old.

Peter Singer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This man is a reprobate.

If it is already being discussed at institutions of higher learning it is inevitable that the discussion will soon hit the mainstream.

Would it surprise anyone if the Left began rationalizing the murder of infants up to six months old "under controlled circumstances"?
 
Peter Singer of Princeton who believes it is acceptable to kill babies up to 6 months old.

Peter Singer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This man is a reprobate.

Yeah, one of the biggest laughs I got from "lake of fire" (which was a decent film, that the filmmaker *atleast* made attempts towards objectivity in) was that they never asked singer about his specific views on abortion, but lined up all manner of religious nuts to fully extol on their views against it
 
If it is already being discussed at institutions of higher learning it is inevitable that the discussion will soon hit the mainstream.

Would it surprise anyone if the Left began rationalizing the murder of infants up to six months old "under controlled circumstances"?

Obama already has, as a state senator in Illinois.
 
Yeah, one of the biggest laughs I got from "lake of fire" (which was a decent film, that the filmmaker *atleast* made attempts towards objectivity in) was that they never asked singer about his specific views on abortion, but lined up all manner of religious nuts to fully extol on their views against it

Could have been, I didn't see it. What I do know is that Singer has stated publicly that he doesn't see any difference between aborting a baby in the womb at say 28 weeks, and killing a born child up to 6 months old....That is reprehensible.
 
Being that the forum has rules about what media sourcing can be used to start a thread, I am posting this here since the thread is already well underway, but this is good news...

As the jury in the trial of Philadelphia abortionist Kermit Gosnell resumes deliberation, Utah Republican Sen. Mike Lee is set to introduce a resolution Monday highlighting Gosnell’s alleged crimes and calling for more oversight of abortion practices and facilities.

Lee’s resolution, obtained by The Daily Caller, focuses in large measure on the crimes for which Gosnell is being tried. It is entitled, “Expressing the sense of the Senate that Congress and the States should investigate and correct abusive, unsanitary, and illegal abortion practices.”

“Whereas the Report of the Grand Jury documented a pattern, over a period of 2 decades, at the Women’s Medical Society of Philadelphia of untrained and uncertified personnel performing abortions, non-medical personnel administering medications, grossly unsanitary and dangerous conditions, violations of law regarding storage of human remains, and, above all, instances of willful murder of infants born alive by severing their spinal cords,” the resolution reads in part.



Read more: Sen. Lee takes on abortion crimes in Gosnell resolution | The Daily Caller
 
Being that the forum has rules about what media sourcing can be used to start a thread, I am posting this here since the thread is already well underway, but this is good news...

But would this law make any real difference? Laws were already in place and ignored during Gosnell's years as an abortionist, people deliberately turned the other way when told about it, and he already has his defenders. It seems that there are more people determined that abortions take place, at ever later periods, then ever existed when R vs W came into play. We now know that "safe, legal and rare" was just political sloganeering.

Nurse Tells of Babies Left to Die After Failed Abortions | LifeNews.com
 
But would this law make any real difference? Laws were already in place and ignored during Gosnell's years as an abortionist, people deliberately turned the other way when told about it, and he already has his defenders. It seems that there are more people determined that abortions take place, at ever later periods, then ever existed when R vs W came into play. We now know that "safe, legal and rare" was just political sloganeering.

Nurse Tells of Babies Left to Die After Failed Abortions | LifeNews.com

Yeah, you're probably right, but just to enter it in the record is something....
 
Could have been, I didn't see it. What I do know is that Singer has stated publicly that he doesn't see any difference between aborting a baby in the womb at say 28 weeks, and killing a born child up to 6 months old....That is reprehensible.

that's the thing, they interviewed singer in the film, but never touched on his more controversial views. Naturally, they lined up every nutter on the other side and gave the free reign
 
that's the thing, they interviewed singer in the film, but never touched on his more controversial views. Naturally, they lined up every nutter on the other side and gave the free reign

So are you saying that Singer doesn't get a fair shake? Or that he meant something other than killing a 6 month old baby was ok, when he said abortion should be extended to 6 months after birth? Please try and justify that if you can.
 
So are you saying that Singer doesn't get a fair shake? Or that he meant something other than killing a 6 month old baby was ok, when he said abortion should be extended to 6 months after birth? Please try and justify that if you can.

No, I am saying they do well in documenting some of the more risky elements of the pro-life movement, but just ignore those elements on the pro-abortion side.
 
No, I am saying they do well in documenting some of the more risky elements of the pro-life movement, but just ignore those elements on the pro-abortion side.

OH, ok, sorry. I misread. I get it now....
 
Ok, thanks for explaining. I would just point out that a baby at 26 weeks would still need life some support measures. I know because my friend was in danger of an early delivery and I've actually taken her to some of her appointments.

I was born preemie (27 weeks I think) and I was in the hospital for about two weeks. I don't think I needed much more than an IV and some phototherapy for jaundice.
 
That is a lie. No one has explained when the "moment of conception" occurs. Only how the process of conception takes place

Right, then, so at what point is the baby a "person" during birth? Can you point to the exact moment of birth at which this occurs?
 
Right, then, so at what point is the baby a "person" during birth? Can you point to the exact moment of birth at which this occurs?

IMO, a fetus becomes a baby when it is viable outside the mother's womb -- even with medical assistance as some preemies often need.
 
IMO, a fetus becomes a baby when it is viable outside the mother's womb -- even with medical assistance as some preemies often need.

I'm talking about birth itself. Sangha believes that a ZEF/baby isn't a person until it is born, but he also believes that life can't begin at contraception because it is a process rather than a moment. Birth is also a process.
 
When it takes its first breath

So when parents pick out a name prior to that, they're naming a personless meat sack?
 
and carhart makes six

Late-Term Abortion Doc Caught Comparing Unborn Baby to "Meat in a Crock Pot" | LifeNews.com

phoenix, the bronx, dc, wilmington, philly...

now germantown, today:

The pro-life group Live Action has released a fourth video in a series of undercover videos catching late-term abortion practitioners and abortion clinics misleading women and showing indifference to the destruction of human life.

The latest investigative video release captures late-term abortionist LeRoy Carhart on tape discussing the grisly details of the abortion procedure and misleading a pregnant woman regarding the dangers of abortion.

Cahart’s testimony is shocking and disturbing. He compares the child in the womb to “meat in a Crock-Pot” and then jokes about his abortion toolkit, complete with a “pickaxe” and “drill bit.” This is the second time Carhart has used the terminology.

When a Live Action investigator, who is 26 weeks pregnant, asks about what happens to the baby during the procedure, Dr. Carhart responds:

Dr. Carhart: It gets soft – like, mushy – so you push it through.

Woman: So what makes the baby “mushy”?

Dr. Carhart: The fact that it’s not alive for 2 or 3 days.

Woman: Oh. So I’ll have a dead baby in me?

Dr. Carhart: For 3 days, yeah… It’s like putting meat in a crock pot, okay? … It gets softer. It doesn’t get infected or–

Woman: OK, so the dead baby in me is like meat in a crock pot.

Dr. Carhart: Pretty much, yeah … in a slow cooker.

Dr. Carhart tells an undercover Live Action investigator who is 22 weeks pregnant:

We do a shot into the fetus to end the pregnancy the first day. … Well, if everything works right, you just deliver them and they come out fine. I mean, if for some reason that doesn’t happen, then we have to take them out in pieces…

A twenty-six-week pregnant Live Action investigator inquires what will happen in the case of complications:

Woman: But if we run into trouble … for some reason, I’m not able to deliver, you’ll be able to get it out in pieces.

Dr. Carhart: We’d take it out…

Woman: What do you use to break it up? Just–

Dr. Carhart: A whole bunch of–

Woman: You’ve got a toolkit.

Dr. Carhart: A pickaxe, a drill bit, yeah (laughs)

trouble---leroy carhart (as famous today as george tiller was then) has always claimed he only operates in cases where fetuses have abnormalities, or the life of the mother is in danger...

not here

what's going on in a clinic near you?
 
Have you
complained at all about the lack of oversight on any later term abortion clinic? Why babies would have their feet cut off, for example, and placed in jars?

When 'pro choice' adherents won't face the fact that babies, and at least one mother, have been murdered, that venereal diseases have been spread thorough filthy conditions, that babies feet were being kept in jars as trophies, etc., but instead argue about 'pro choice' and fear that their right to abortion on demand be limited if regulations are followed, then something is amiss in their entire argument. It seems they have lost the ability to see clearly between right and wrong, moral and immoral, and blindly cling to their position, no matter what the possible consequences.

We see the consequences but they can' t seem to deal with them. But wouldn't it eventual come to this, once the value of human life is minimized?

Its disgusting. Abortion should be regulated. Obviously it was an unclean and unsafe procedure in this case. Those conditions should constitute a crime in itself.
 
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