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Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83,846]

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this guys actions do not sound like the actions of a expert killer. Regardless of his heritage, i think the younger brother is panicking because everything he and his brother had planned went kaput when the FBI Released their photographs on the news.

I don't think the photograph release spooked them. To much of a time span. Something else did. If the younger brother was panicking he would have been caught or dead. He's thinking and reacting right now and giving the law enforcement a hard time. The fact that used explosives is helping him because it slows down law enforcement in pursuit.
 
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A wounded animal is unpredictable if it is cornered>

Which is exactly why using his car as a battering ram should have been on the list of things to be ready for.
 
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I don't think the photograph release spooked them. To much of a time span. Something else did. If the younger brother was panicking he would have been caught or dead. He's thinking and reacting right now and giving the law enforcement a hard time. The fact that used explosives is helping him because it slows down law enforcement in pursuit.

perhaps They thought they were in control and the release of their photographs shattered that believe
 
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this guys actions do not sound like the actions of a expert killer. Regardless of his heritage, i think the younger brother is panicking because everything he and his brother had planned went kaput when the FBI Released their photographs on the news.

Have they caught him yet??
 
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hard to find one person in a city of millions.
Maybe we have the wrong agency involved. The IRS routinely finds one person in a country of 310 million.
 
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Given where they were last night and where they are today with all of the resources they have, it looks really bad.

Only when viewed with perfect 20/20 hindsight. Consider all the factors the FBI must consider in this situation.
 
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hard to find one person in a city of millions.

A city where he has ZERO help, from anyone and no one has seen hide, nor hair of him. I would say he's doing a damn fine job of escape and evasion.
 
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I heard, specifically, the word grenade, used. Not improvised explosive device, which is what you make with hardware store supplies.

I think "grenade" is a generic term for throwable explosives.
 
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Just a comment on the Islamic extremists angle that's being pushed. While it remains a possiblitly, I think any such conclusions are highly premature.

Tamerlan appears to be a Muslim (possibly devout), but Dzhokhar doesn't appear to be overly religous or political. Furthermore, the Boston Marathon isn't the kind of target one would expect a Jihadist to attack. It's just hard to guess at a rational motivation from the information we have so far.
 
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Seems rather "101" to me....Anyone else watch action flicks?

And right there is the problem - action flicks are far from the reality of real life.
 
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It's ridiculous. God help us if we have to shut down major cities and enlist 1000's literally 1000's of law enforcement personnel every time 1 or 2 "terrorists" manage to kill four people. Not trying to be flippant, just trying to view things with a little perspective. Not very successful in the "kill people" department, but as far as causing terror goes, give these guys an A++++.

Sad thing is, every would-be school shooter loser is going to be rethinking what it is they want to do for some cheap recognition.

Yep aint that the truth. This is why terrorism is so effective. 2 guys tie up damn near the entire Boston police dept. the Massachusetts NG and several federal agencies. Well Al Qaida and the rest are looking at this and learning. This unlike 9/11 is an immanently repeatable which means we may get more of these type incidents. There are a lot of variations that would cause some major uproar. I am glad I live in a rural area. These twits just executed a almost textbook terrorist operation and have shown the rest of the loony's how effective it can be.
 
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A city where he has ZERO help, from anyone and no one has seen hide, nor hair of him. I would say he's doing a damn fine job of escape and evasion.

police have to check every building, every alley, every nook and cranny that exists in the city.
 
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And right there is the problem - action flicks are far from the reality of real life.
Don't tell me Arnold was really the governor of CA. I know it was just a cover. He's in Boston right now, with that grenade launcher, ready to make that scumbag pay.
 
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These are kids. At 19, even the best plan is going to be flawed and incomplete. There are details that aren't even on their radar. My take: they spent all this time planning the actual exposive event with great detail and bought into the movie version of escape afterwards. The older one chose SBC (suicide by cop) when their afterplan quickly fell apart, the younger just ran.

Btw, easier for a single individual making random choices to avoid capture than a coordinated group.
 
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Only when viewed with perfect 20/20 hindsight. Consider all the factors the FBI must consider in this situation.
I don't know that there are that many factors to consider when one of your primary suspects drives right past you in a car.
 
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police have to check every building, every alley, every nook and cranny that exists in the city.

Exactly and he's making them do that very thing, which means, at this point, he has the upper-hand.
 
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perhaps They thought they were in control and the release of their photographs shattered that believe

No, I don't think so, I think something else of their plan fell apart. Maybe they relied on promised help that did not come though. Or some other mishap. Its usually something stupid and generally innocuous that screws the pooch on an operation. I've had to deal with Chechens, they never struck me as the type that waiver easily.
 
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Exactly and he's making them do that very thing, which means, at this point, he has the upper-hand.

if he had the upper hand he and his brother would have been planting another pressure cooker bomb somewhere in boston. instead one is dead and the other is running for his life from the law.
 
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And right there is the problem - action flicks are far from the reality of real life.

Maybe so, but it worked didn't it?
 
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I don't know that there are that many factors to consider when one of your primary suspects drives right past you in a car.

Then you need to turn off the serial TV shows. C'mon, the first fellow commits SBC, these are bombers, they had plenty of material in their homes, even reducing it to "drives right past you", which of course is an oversimplification, he could have a trunk full of explosives that would take out the block.
 
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Maybe so, but it worked didn't it?

In the movies, yes. In real life, rarely.
 
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2 guys tie up damn near the entire Boston police dept. the Massachusetts NG and several federal agencies. Well Al Qaida and the rest are looking at this and learning. This unlike 9/11 is an immanently repeatable which means we may get more of these type incidents.
Exactly why this is making more upset with each hour that goes by. This is just embarrassing.
 
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Exactly and he's making them do that very thing, which means, at this point, he has the upper-hand.

Not only that they have to check for explosive devices which slows things up immensely even more.
 
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