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Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

What he said was ambiguous, but either way he's wrong.

I took it to meant, if you are defending Obama, you are a identifying yourself as liberal. Which would be a stupid comment.

But he very well could have meant that everyone defending Obama is a self-identified liberal, which not all of them are. So he would be wrong.

I might have pulled the wrong meaning from what he said, it happens, but regardless what he's saying is wrong.

It wasn't ambiguous. Though he IS wrong by saying "every last one" if you go by their stated lean.
 
Wow, you have a gift my friend. I haven't seen the twisting of words like that in quite some time.

My wife just wrecked her car. I told her not to worry, because she was very upset, that I would handle it. I think any reasonable person would understand that all I did by "handling it" was to call the insurance company, get it inspected, and bring it in to get it fixed. Saying I handled it didn't mean that I replaced her bumper all by myself.

Obama made the calls and he got it right. I can't believe your hatred for him makes you upset at that fact.

Obama 'made the call'? So he told the US Navy to put a stop to it.

You think that was a bold move, like you calling the insurance company?

Again, I don't hate Obama. He's got his moment and he's living it large.

Why not? I've actually come to find him comical, as though he's forever doing a parody of himself. You take him seriously though, right?
 
WOW! Barrack Obama handled the Somalian pirates as well? I can see him hanging from a rope swing across the bloodied decks, a knife in his teeth, a sword at his side and a determined grin on his face. And wearing a puffy shirt.

Is there no end to this mans gifts??

:roll:
 
Winston Churchill also deservedly won the Nobel Prize for Literature, something quite out of the reach for Barrack Obama. Although BHO did win the Nobel Peace Prize for Good Intentions, Churchill actually won peace the hard way.


Reagan, Churchill and Thatcher were all honorable people and great leaders, and probably never snorted cocaine in their lives.

Good morning, Grant! :2wave:

Excellent post! :thumbs:

It makes one wonder why BHO seems to want to concentrate his efforts on people's baser natures, instead of encouraging everyone to strive to be the best they can be! The great leaders throughout history are all remembered for their words and deeds that encouraged people to rise above where they were, not sliding by and always taking the easy road... which gains little in neither self respect nor success. :shock:
 
Good morning, Grant! :2wave:

Excellent post! :thumbs:

It makes one wonder why BHO seems to want to concentrate his efforts on people's baser natures, instead of encouraging everyone to strive to be the best they can be! The great leaders throughout history are all remembered for their words and deeds that encouraged people to rise above where they were, not sliding by and always taking the easy road... which gains little in neither self respect nor success. :shock:

Good Morning, Polgara, and you've nailed it!

Reagan, Thatcher and Churchill all encouraged their people to rise against the very serious problems they faced and they did it with very memorable speeches and deeds. Meanwhile Barrack Obama says "you didn't build that", rallying the electorate against their fellow Americans. And, sad to say, he has succeeded in that one area.
 
Obama 'made the call'? So he told the US Navy to put a stop to it.

You think that was a bold move, like you calling the insurance company?

Again, I don't hate Obama. He's got his moment and he's living it large.

Why not? I've actually come to find him comical, as though he's forever doing a parody of himself. You take him seriously though, right?

It was a tough decision that ultimately the outcome, either way, was going to fall on his shoulders. I think it's obvious that the seals that were out there deserve all the credit, it's still fair to point out that he had to make some extremely tough decisions that put people's lives at risk. Maybe you find that comical, but I don't.
 
It wasn't ambiguous. Though he IS wrong by saying "every last one" if you go by their stated lean.

As I go back and re-read it I'm more inclined to agree with you that I took the wrong meaning from it. But as you said, it was still an incorrect statement. Which is one of the reasons I think I thought that he meant what I thought he meant. I assumed he wouldn't say something so obviously wrong and easy to refute, but I guess that was just wishful thinking on my part.
 
It was a tough decision that ultimately the outcome, either way, was going to fall on his shoulders. I think it's obvious that the seals that were out there deserve all the credit, it's still fair to point out that he had to make some extremely tough decisions that put people's lives at risk. Maybe you find that comical, but I don't.

How is that a tough decision?? He was worried about losing the Pirate support in Pittsburgh?

These pirates were disrupting trade and murdering private citizens, including Americans. Who would have done any differently?
 
How is that a tough decision?? He was worried about losing the Pirate support in Pittsburgh?

These pirates were disrupting trade and murdering private citizens, including Americans. Who would have done any differently?

They also had hostages. Which makes it a much more different scenario than the one in which you're trying to paint.
 
How is that a tough decision?? He was worried about losing the Pirate support in Pittsburgh?

These pirates were disrupting trade and murdering private citizens, including Americans. Who would have done any differently?
somebody bring me up to speed
what the hell does this have to do with maggie thatcher's ****ing funeral
 
They also had hostages. Which makes it a much more different scenario than the one in which you're trying to paint.

They didn't always have hostages, but it was the only decision to make anyway. What would you have done??
 
somebody bring me up to speed
what the hell does this have to do with maggie thatcher's ****ing funeral

It seems that government involvement in the citizen's ability to fend for themselves has now reached critical proportions. Instead of taking the trouble, five minutes or so, to simply read the previous posts, this 'independent' needs someone to explain it to him, to 'bring him up to speed'.

See what socialism does to human beings?
 
They didn't always have hostages, but it was the only decision to make anyway. What would you have done??

It wasn't the only decision to make, and what I would have done is not related to the conversation and has no bearing on the argument. Also, saying that it was the only decision or an easy decision, when you have no idea what information was in front of him at the time, is at best extremely presumptive on your part. You're uneducated guess is that you would have done the same thing. That's about the best you can say.
 
somebody bring me up to speed
what the hell does this have to do with maggie thatcher's ****ing funeral

It's an excuse to bash Obama, does anything else really need to be said?
 
It wasn't the only decision to make, and what I would have done is not related to the conversation and has no bearing on the argument. Also, saying that it was the only decision or an easy decision, when you have no idea what information was in front of him at the time, is at best extremely presumptive on your part. You're uneducated guess is that you would have done the same thing. That's about the best you can say.

Then why did you even bring it up???
 
It's an excuse to bash Obama, does anything else really need to be said?

Actually a lot of this is an excuse to bash Margaret Thatcher, but the topic is " Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral".

You don't like it when poor Barrack is criticized, huh?

The guy is traveling all over the world, his family is hitting all the international hot spots, he's playing golf with Tiger Woods, is elbowing with celebrities, pays 18% on his hundreds of thousands of income, and you're concerned he is being "bashed"? We should have it so good.
 
Then why did you even bring it up???

Bring what up? I only brought up that they had hostages, not what I would have done, which is the question you asked that doesn't matter as far as the story goes.
 
They should have sent somebody actually in the administration to represent the United States. This was not a good idea and reflects poorly on the Obama Administration, regardless of how he or anybody else feels about Thatcher. She was an incredibly important political figure at the end of the 20th century and there should be some person of note in the official U.S. delegation.

And I am not a Thatcher admirer.
 
They should have sent somebody actually in the administration to represent the United States. This was not a good idea and reflects poorly on the Obama Administration, regardless of how he or anybody else feels about Thatcher. She was an incredibly important political figure at the end of the 20th century and there should be some person of note in the official U.S. delegation.

And I am not a Thatcher admirer.

Thank you !!

I agree 100%.:thumbs:
 
They should have sent somebody actually in the administration to represent the United States. This was not a good idea and reflects poorly on the Obama Administration, regardless of how he or anybody else feels about Thatcher. She was an incredibly important political figure at the end of the 20th century and there should be some person of note in the official U.S. delegation.

And I am not a Thatcher admirer.
this
it's why it was perceived as a snub across the pond
because it was a snub

but kudos to Obama for finally standing for something: a snub
 
Who did Bush send for James Callaghan's memorial?

Anyone?
 
Actually a lot of this is an excuse to bash Margaret Thatcher, but the topic is " Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral".

You don't like it when poor Barrack is criticized, huh?

The guy is traveling all over the world, his family is hitting all the international hot spots, he's playing golf with Tiger Woods, is elbowing with celebrities, pays 18% on his hundreds of thousands of income, and you're concerned he is being "bashed"? We should have it so good.

I don't mind him being criticized at all. I only mind when someone tries to distort or stretch the truth, or tries to criticize someone unfairly. I feel that this is an unfair criticism. I think it's fair to say that more could have been done to honor her funeral, but I also think it's completely understandable that right now the president and his top advisers and officials are needed here.

1. All presidents travel. Not sure why that bothers you.

2. I don't care that Jimmy Carter met with Elvis, I don't care that Reagan and H. W. Bush met with Micheal Jackson, I don't care that Clinton met with who ever he met with, I don't care the W. Bush went and watched the women's volleyball team at the Olympics and got on the court with them to talk and meet with them, I don't care that Bush met with Bono, and I don't care that Obama played a round of golf with Tiger Woods. I'm sorry, I'm just crazy that way. I don't let my personal politics interfere with my ability to control false outrage.

3. If you feel that he pays too little on his taxes, then by all means support him in his effort to raise those taxes. He did nothing tricky to get that tax rate btw. He donated to charity, and he took basic deductions like his mortgage interest.

4. Again, I don't care if someone is criticized as long as it's honest. If someone falsely accused you of something, and I knew about it, I'd defend you. Not because I love you or because I just have to defend you, but because it would be honest to do so.
 
Bibi represented Israel at the funeral.
 
:shrug: Move the goalposts if you like. No reason to follow you down that rabbit hole.

LOL, no was just being polite as I have no way to check the ONE thing you claim to have been positive about and have a funny feeling given your other posts that you couldn't help yourself and not take a swipe at the President for 'taking credit' if he said anything about the event. Like the bin Hiding SEAL hit.

Would be interested if you could point to anything positive you have said since I joined. :peace
 
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