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Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon [W:162, 896, 911]]

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apdst said:
"Never underestimate your enemy".

The 9/11 hi-jackers weren't rocket scientists.
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They were not. But they also have not been able to repeat in like, what 12 years? Just shows it as a statistical anomaly. Again, no endorsement of the act; just a statement of reality.
 
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Bonzai said:
They have some interesting and informative vids on the Boston Globe site.....................
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Good evening, Bonz! :2wave:

I watched one a few minutes ago....
 
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Iron Yank said:
Not so, we have information leading to a "Saudi National" now he may not have anything to do with it but then again he may, so please stop it with the PC.
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The Saudi National has been cleared at this point.

Its a horrible attack no matter who did it.. I think people just want answers because it is frightening so they can begin to process the information.

Its hard to wait patiently for an investigation.. Blame human nature.
 
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Iron Yank said:
Not so, we have information leading to a "Saudi National" now he may not have anything to do with it but then again he may, so please stop it with the PC.
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Boston PD denied the Saudi national story a while ago. They said that they were talking to several people of interest, but the rumor of a Saudi national in custody was false. This has nothing to do with ****ing "PC". It's about accuracy.
 
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Ikari said:
Poor indeed. What city in Iraq has the population and events which would draw so many? The fact remains, as grim as one wishes to be about it, had they put any amount of thought or planning into this it could have been much worse. Not a point to fret over or overreact on; but rather just a statement of reality.
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these cats didn't just wake up one morning, go to Wal-Mart, buy some black powder, build a bomb and go drop it off on the route of the Boston Marathon.

There was a significant amount of thought put into this. If there hadn't been, there wouldn't have been so many casualites.

[quoter] We're not dealing with the sharpest knives in the drawer (thankfully).[/QUOTE]

Their bombs went off and casualties were produced. Do you think you could do that?
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Ammonium Nitrate is a component of fertiliser I said "fertiliser" so you wouldn't need a spellcheck. Anfo is a another acronym, Ammonium Nitrate Fuel Oil.
It really sucks how people are bigging this up, accusing suspects based on their own prejudices.
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It's like a poker tell. Where the "wants" can often supercede the "facts" of a matter.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Ammonium Nitrate is a component of fertiliser I said "fertiliser" so you wouldn't need a spellcheck. Anfo is a another acronym, Ammonium Nitrate Fuel Oil.
It really sucks how people are bigging this up, accusing suspects based on their own prejudices.
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Cow poop is fertilizer. Anhydrous ammonia is fertilizer.
 
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Iron Yank said:
Not so, we have information leading to a "Saudi National" now he may not have anything to do with it but then again he may, so please stop it with the PC.
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From what I heard, they questioned the guy along with a bunch of other people, and he/they were cleared.

So he (whoever "he" is) doesn't have anything to do with it.
 
Re: Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon [W:162]

Texmex said:
This makes me think of a Claymore mine.
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Anything with fragmentation, but I don't know what the composition was and they aren't releasing it.
 
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apdst said:
these cats didn't just wake up one morning, go to Wal-Mart, buy some black powder, build a bomb and go drop it off on the route of the Boston Marathon.

There was a significant amount of thought put into this. If there hadn't been, there wouldn't have been so many casualites.

[quoter] We're not dealing with the sharpest knives in the drawer (thankfully).
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Their bombs went off and casualties were produced. Do you think you could do that?[/QUOTE]

Certainly not something thrown together some morning. Yet just because it wasn't last minute does not mean that it was well thought out.
 
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shrubnose said:
If I understand you correctly, you are worried about Uncle Sam taking away your right to make and bear bombs.

Where is that right in the constitution?
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Not enough law enforcement exists to stop someone from making a bomb....it would be easier to censor the internet. Everything you need to know is online and freely available. One of our courses used to involve being given a shopping list, purchasing the materials and making the bang. It is very simple and impossible to contain.
 
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apdst said:
these cats didn't just wake up one morning, go to Wal-Mart, buy some black powder, build a bomb and go drop it off on the route of the Boston Marathon.

There was a significant amount of thought put into this. If there hadn't been, there wouldn't have been so many casualites.

We're not dealing with the sharpest knives in the drawer (thankfully).
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Their bombs went off and casualties were produced. Do you think you could do that?
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I suspect that what alot of people are thinking is "it could have been worse".


Given the available info and guesses, I'd speculate that:
Someone or several someones made multiple black-powder bombs ("Pipe bombs"?) and placed them in multiple locations around the area in which the Boston Marathon ended.

2 of these devices went off, and the others were discovered and disarmed if necessary. One or more were taken out by controlled explosions by a bomb disposal team.

100-150 people were injured, and 3 have died, including an 8 year old boy.
 
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polgara said:
Good evening, Bonz! :2wave:

I watched one a few minutes ago....
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Obviously the "world" is no longer just on TV when this stuff starts happening in New England......................
 
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Ikari said:
Well than this couldn't have been an act of terrorism because given the crowd and environment, the causalities were remarkably low.
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What's the rule of thumb used to evaluate a terrorist act? What's the casualty minimum? Any body count under oh say, 500 disqualifies an attack from being terrorism?

I'm not saying it IS terrorism, but it's naive to declare that it isn't.
 
Re: Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon [W:162]

LaMidRighter said:
Anything with fragmentation, but I don't know what the composition was and they aren't releasing it.
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I've heard several times that the shrapnel was ball bearings.
 
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The Mark said:
I suspect that what alot of people are thinking is "it could have been worse".


Given the available info and guesses, I'd speculate that:
Someone or several someones made multiple black-powder bombs ("Pipe bombs"?) and placed them in multiple locations around the area in which the Boston Marathon ended.

2 of these devices went off, and the others were discovered and disarmed if necessary. One or more were taken out by controlled explosions by a bomb disposal team.

100-150 people were injured, and 3 have died, including an 8 year old boy.
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Hell, 9/11 could have been worse!

Tell the folks who got injured and killed that, "It coulda been worse".
 
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apdst said:
What's the rule of thumb used to evaluate a terrorist act? What's the casualty minimum? Any body count under oh say, 500 disqualifies an attack from being terrorism?

I'm not saying it IS terrorism, but it's naive to declare that it isn't.
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I'm not saying it's not, apdst. I'm saying that we shouldn't freak out and start authorizing all sorts of government interventionism because of this.
 
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nota bene said:
I've heard several times that the shrapnel was ball bearings.
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It wasn't shrapnel, if they used ball bearings. However, if a metal case was used to house the explosive, there was shrapnel in the blast radius.
 
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nota bene said:
I've heard several times that the shrapnel was ball bearings.
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Shrapnel can also be nails...
 
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Ikari said:
I'm not saying it's not, apdst. I'm saying that we shouldn't freak out and start authorizing all sorts of government interventionism because of this.
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You're preaching to the choir, my man.
 
Re: Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon [W:162]

nota bene said:
I've heard several times that the shrapnel was ball bearings.
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Yeah, I wasn't clear in that response, mia culpa. What I thought he was referring to was a claymore type of uni directional blast with the fragment material being put in front of the charge. It is a nasty way to spread a wall of fast moving dangerous shrapnel but with the concussion I think they used a less focused blast pattern, either way they were looking to maim, wound, and kill.
 
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apdst said:
You're preaching to the choir, my man.
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Then so be it. I am only urging caution in response to this event. Rational and logical thinking MUST prevail.
 
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Bonzai said:
Obviously the "world" is no longer just on TV when this stuff starts happening in New England......................
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Bonz, what is the purpose of this, IYV? They are obviously making a statement...is it to scare people; is it to let us know they can if they want to; is it to show how much they despise us;...what? WHAT do they hope to gain? :shock:
 
Re: Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon [W:162]

apdst said:
It wasn't shrapnel, if they used ball bearings. However, if a metal case was used to house the explosive, there was shrapnel in the blast radius.
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Ball bearing qualify as shrapnel
 
Re: Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon [W:162]

sangha said:
Ball bearing qualify as shrapnel
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Technically, they don't, but it doesn't matter.
 
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