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Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

What things?

Freedom is about far more than owning guns.

true, and you want to rape one major freedom for what

1) because those who own guns tend not buy into your agenda

2) you don't like conservatives

3) you don't like people who believe self defense should not be outsourced to the government

4) the teachers' unions hate the NRA since the NRA supports the GOP
 
true, and you want to rape one major freedom for what
First of all, there is no rape. For you to equate things like background checks to possibly the worst offense one person can inflict on another seems silly to me. Furthermore, even if we use your word, your rights to own a gun are not being raped. They are simply having more obstacles put in front of them.

1) because those who own guns tend not buy into your agenda
Again, a reportedly high number of Americans like the idea of background checks.

2) you don't like conservatives
I have no problem with conservatives. I have a problem with political extremists.

4) the teachers' unions hate the NRA since the NRA supports the GOP
I literally have no idea what this is supposed to mean. What do teacher unions have to do with an organiziation who now exists primarily to make gun manufacturers money?
 
First of all, there is no rape. For you to equate things like background checks to possibly the worst offense one person can inflict on another seems silly to me. Furthermore, even if we use your word, your rights to own a gun are not being raped. They are simply having more obstacles put in front of them.

Again, a reportedly high number of Americans like the idea of background checks.

I have no problem with conservatives. I have a problem with political extremists.


I literally have no idea what this is supposed to mean. What do teacher unions have to do with an organiziation who now exists primarily to make gun manufacturers money?

1) one of your fellow travelers think rape is far less worse than murder

2) lots of people are clueless-appealing to the masses means nothing to me

3) supporting gun rights is not extreme to anyone who understands the constitution

to extreme gun haters I suspect supporting the second amendment is extreme
 
1) one of your fellow travelers think rape is far less worse than murder
Well, I'm not them, and I think it's a tough call. On one hand, you are no longer living and on the other you are. Sometimes not living is easier than living.

2) lots of people are clueless-appealing to the masses means nothing to me
But that is irrelevant to what you said. You suggested I want to "rape" gun rights because gun owners tend to not agree with me on things like background checks. I was just pointing out that your statement didn't make much sense considering the large number of people, something like 70% of NRA members I believe I've read, who support background checks.

3) supporting gun rights is not extreme to anyone who understands the constitution
Supporting unabashed rights to any weapon you want, however, does seem extreme to me.

to extreme gun haters I suspect supporting the second amendment is extreme
Possibly, but I'm not one, so I don't know why you brought it, or the teacher's unions, up.
 
Well, I'm not them, and I think it's a tough call. On one hand, you are no longer living and on the other you are. Sometimes not living is easier than living.

But that is irrelevant to what you said. You suggested I want to "rape" gun rights because gun owners tend to not agree with me on things like background checks. I was just pointing out that your statement didn't make much sense considering the large number of people, something like 70% of NRA members I believe I've read, who support background checks.

Supporting unabashed rights to any weapon you want, however, does seem extreme to me.

Possibly, but I'm not one, so I don't know why you brought it, or the teacher's unions, up.

I don't think anyone who has read your posts believe that a silly UBGC is the only additional restrictions you support
 
I don't think anyone who has read your posts believe that a silly UBGC is the only additional restrictions you support
It's not, and I freely admit that. I'll gladly say again I think handguns and semi-automatic "assault rifles" should be placed in the same restrictive category we already place things like fully automatic machine guns. However, background checks seem just about the only type of law which can pass, so I support it.
 
It's not, and I freely admit that. I'll gladly say again I think handguns and semi-automatic "assault rifles" should be placed in the same restrictive category we already place things like fully automatic machine guns. However, background checks seem just about the only type of law which can pass, so I support it.

well that puts you in the far extreme category and you are against the constitution. but thanks, I knew it

you want to pass an incremental law hoping in the future you can pass more

so why do you whine when I oppose one of your stepping stones
 
well that puts you in the far extreme category
No, the far extreme category would be banning all guns, confiscating the guns currently in this country with no monetary reimbursement and making it a felony to even attempt to obtain a gun.

I'm far from the extreme.

and you are against the constitution. but thanks, I knew it
If you think the Constitution is comprised only of the 2nd Amendment, then it says a lot more about you than my stance on gun control says about me.

you want to pass an incremental law hoping in the future you can pass more
I want to pass a law it appears most Americans agree is a sensible thing.

so why do you whine when I oppose one of your stepping stones
I'm not whining at all.
 
If using kids to evoke an emotional response is "child abuse", then there are multiple instances of child abuse in the TV ads all the time.

While I am sure there is.....what difference does that make. 2 Wrongs don't make it Right. I wouldn't go for any Repubs using Children to further their own Personal gain. Course if those on the Right were to do so they would be lambasted 10times more than any Democrat would be.
 
mmmm no I don't need you to explain your point to me I fully understand what your trying to say I just think its moronic and cheap. If she was anti gun before her son was shot it would kind of validate her point wouldn't it? Of course we don't know what her political agenda was before her son was gunned down your just guessing because your afraid of the impact someone like this could have on your gun rights.

Wherein if it was kept as for her own Community and for around her own people.....none could really say to much then. But of course she had to step outside of her own Community, than that of her own state all so she can point out how her she believes others Rights should be taken from them due to what happened in her small little world. :roll:
 
Seems the gun nuts hate it when you use an emotional argument to counter their emotional argument on why they need guns to protect them from obama.

Then there is reality that actually sets in but I do notice you tend not to want to bring that argument into play. :roll:
 
So your great argument is that we were supposed to give guns to the black slaves despite it being clear they were only meant to go to the militias to hunt them down? Lie I said blind faith has no foundation in reality at all, and thank you for showing us how disconnected it can make you.

No that wasn't his argument.....but it is clear you didn't know what it was. Thanks for showing us that disconnected reality that surrounds you.
 
why does an Obama supporter such as you constantly claim you support gun rights too yet you constantly "like" anti gun posts and criticize pro gun positions?

its not about innocent life or public safety to the anti gun left-its all about harassing people who don't buy into the leftist agenda

has anyone seen any conservative posters backing all these idiotic gun control proposals?

You noticed that to?

Now bring back up that Subject about Obama Abusing these kids thru his exploitation.....despite that the media was dropping Sandy Hook from the News Cycle. Who was it that dragged them around and gave them the invites to come to the WH? Obama's Inaugural. Who keeps bringing them out.

Then we have MO bring the Mother of the Kids that was killed in Chicago to Washington. Give them a platform to speak from.

Well.....its' time to put out our Own Platform. Going after any of these people that want to step outside their own communities to push their garbage upon the rest of the Country.

Anytime these people are outside of Conn.....then they should have to hear from all of us. Then let them cry out with those like here, about All those On the Right just hating. They should see first hand those of us out here who will confront them first hand. Just like some here would have NP taking Obama on. Course Obama doesn't want to face the average man who will make out to look like a fool. Which is why Obama hides from real discussions.
 
I don't think anyone who has read your posts believe that a silly UBGC is the only additional restrictions you support

The usual tactic is to go tangential and focus and talk about the one word or statement that doesn't mean anything, or has no correlation to the topic at hand. Good thing ya didn't get handed the encyclopedia over it. :2razz: ;)
 
That's why since we have established there is neither conservative nor liberal compassion, we need governmental assistance to those in need.

That reasoning is silly.
 
I don't find background checks, something a reportedly high percentage of this country favors, to be an idiotic law.

Only certain types.

I'll never understand how owning an inanimate object at the possible expense of another's life is freedom. On this, we'll agree.

I've said before background checks is the term used for a number different kinds of checking? It's in the details that matters, and I doubt you can prove what kind of check the public supports.
 
I've said before background checks is the term used for a number different kinds of checking? It's in the details that matters, and I doubt you can prove what kind of check the public supports.

They favor the types of checks which will not allow dangerous people to have guns. I somehow doubt they care nearly as much how that is accomplished as they do that it is accomplished.
 
They favor the types of checks which will not allow dangerous people to have guns. I somehow doubt they care nearly as much how that is accomplished as they do that it is accomplished.

I highly doubt you will deter the members of MS-13 or other criminal gangs from getting firearms. Hell most them have better arms then a Army or Marine trooper, not to mention they have more than a few automatic firearms. Damned near everyone of the bastards have criminal records going back into their early teens. A lot of the firearms they have are or were banned at one point or are stolen. Their firearms are most certainly unlawful in Mexico and El Salvador were they hail from.
 
I highly doubt you will deter the members of MS-13 or other criminal gangs from getting firearms. Hell most them have better arms then a Army or Marine trooper, not to mention they have more than a few automatic firearms. Damned near everyone of the bastards have criminal records going back into their early teens. A lot of the firearms they have are or were banned at one point or are stolen. Their firearms are most certainly unlawful in Mexico and El Salvador were they hail from.

Moreover the Feds already know that the Latin Kings are about getting Military Ordinance and Weapons.....as well as are working with the Cartels. So it's not like they are walking up to the counter and ordering a main course of Quarter pounders, grenades, while throwing in some M-72's for Dessert.
 
I highly doubt you will deter the members of MS-13 or other criminal gangs from getting firearms. Hell most them have better arms then a Army or Marine trooper, not to mention they have more than a few automatic firearms. Damned near everyone of the bastards have criminal records going back into their early teens. A lot of the firearms they have are or were banned at one point or are stolen. Their firearms are most certainly unlawful in Mexico and El Salvador were they hail from.
And I highly doubt any firearm you can obtain legally is going to save you from a criminal gang with automatic firearms.

Your statement really holds no relevance to what I said. A situation such as you described is not something which will be stopped by a private citizen purchasing a legal firearm, but rather a coordinated effort amongst city, state and federal law enforcement.

Let's try and keep the discussion to the topic and not rely on extremes.
 
Disgusting. More disgusting than a lot of political theater I've seen. Just....wow. This one takes the cake. I'm at a bit of a loss, but this is one of the most brazen sick attempts to rape a tragedy for an individuals political agenda I've ever seen.
 
While I am sure there is.....what difference does that make. 2 Wrongs don't make it Right. I wouldn't go for any Repubs using Children to further their own Personal gain. Course if those on the Right were to do so they would be lambasted 10times more than any Democrat would be.

because everyone picks on Republicans and Charlie Brown?
 
Here is Obama once again making sure this Gun Control issue will remain a fight. Devious on top of it too. Those on Standing for the Second need to get out and start speaking. It cannot be just the NRA or those with them. People need to get on the media as of 3 months ago. I mean really speaking out. Holding events and attacking Obama and the left for attempting to break the 2nd and get around the Constitution. Seems the Anti gunners are attempting to put the Pro Gun Advocates on the defensive.....in defending our Right. This can no longer be tolerated. Time to go on the offensive.

This means going after Obama for exploiting children and tragedy. Contacting media and Radio and always putting that out there for Obama and the Left to hear, and to keep on hearing. This means attacking them on their attempt to break the Constitution and the 2nd. This means going after those Republicans that are playing defense and looking to compromise the Rights of the people. It also means going after the likes of Bloomberg and other Democrats that are playing that Fence game. The media personalities need to be put in check about playing on all reports of shootings. As they have gone over the edge with it. It can only be countered if people stand up for their Rights and get out there talking. Going after all I said here. We cannot allow people to impose their Rights over ours. Especially when they are the minority.

In a message traditionally reserved for the president, Francine Wheeler, whose 6-year-old son Ben was among the 20 students and six educators killed at Sandy Hook Elementary last year, delivered the White House’s weekly address today, urging the country to come together to support measures that proponents say will alleviate gun violence.

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“As you’ve probably noticed, I’m not the president. I’m just a citizen. And as a citizen, I’m here at the White House today because I want to make a difference,” Wheeler said. ”I’ve heard people say that the tidal wave of anguish our country felt on 12/14 has receded. But not for us. To us, it feels as if it happened just yesterday.

“And in the four months since we lost our loved ones, thousands of other Americans have died at the end of a gun. Thousands of other families across the United States are also drowning in our grief. Please help us do something before our tragedy becomes your tragedy.

After President Obama delivered a speech on gun violence in Connecticut Monday, the Wheelers were among the 11 families who traveled with the president on Air Force One to lobby members of Congress in Washington.

The Senate voted Thursday in favor of considering a comprehensive gun package, which includes a new bipartisan background check deal brokered by Sens. Joe Manchin, D-W.V., and Pat Toomey, R-Pa.

The president tweeted out a message Friday urging Americans to listen to the Newtown mother’s message.

“Francine Wheeler, a Newtown mom, will take my place in tomorrow’s Weekly Address. It’s a message everyone should hear: #NowIsTheTime. -bo,” the president tweeted from the White House account. The signature “-bo” indicates the tweet was written and sent from the president himself.

Wheeler is the first civilian to deliver the White House’s weekly address

Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address - ABC News

This event demonstrates the very same thing that the carrying of the "Newtown Victims" in Air Force 1 did--the complete politization of this (likely) staged event at Newtown. The politicians are playing it for all it's worth. Disgusting, IMO
 
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