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Obama sends Congress $3.77T spending plan, riles both sides

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John Boehner and Mitch McConnel are on the record stating in order for any sort of big bargain to take place they wanted either the age increased to 67 or Chained CPI.

The Presidented decided Chained CPI is the lesser of two evils and is offering it as a concession. I'm not sure how anybody that votes Republican can criticize the President for giving their party what they wanted.
 
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Hmmm, the Founders we liberals who put together a liberal Constitution.

Is that why the Founders left England? The Constitution is very specific, Promote the General Welfare, not provide for it which was changed later by bureaucrats. You seem to support that effect to transform America into the economy our Founders left.
 
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there is an arrogance among liberals that says the last group of liberals did it wrong and thus this group of liberals can do it better. The results are always the same however, failure. I don't understand what generates this kind of loyalty to a failed ideology. Too many people think with their hearts and buy the rhetoric that all this spending in the name of compassion actually generates compassionate results which it doesn't unless you believe dependence is compassionate.

LOL....the "last group" wasn't the "liberals". The last group was your hero...the clown that drove this country to the brink of economic and moral bankruptcy. Take a look at the history of this country. It is almost always the so-called "Liberals" that get us out of the messes that the Republicans leave us in.
 
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LOL....the "last group" wasn't the "liberals". The last group was your hero...the clown that drove this country to the brink of economic and moral bankruptcy. Take a look at the history of this country. It is almost always the so-called "Liberals" that get us out of the messes that the Republicans leave us in.

Just like someone from California blaming someone else for their own failures. Continued discussion about perceived Bush results is nothing more than a diversion from the failed Obama agenda. The current results are Obama's and there is nothing Bush did that created those results. I know how much you enjoy seeing the country become more like California with its high debt, high unemployment, and entitlement mentality.
 
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You really don't understand the budget process or what is in the budget, do you? SS/Medicare were indeed fully funded but the money was spent when it was put on budget by LBJ to fund the Vietnam War. Learn your history. I love how you ignore the Obama lies yet blame Repubicans for lying. That is typical liberalism and the inability to ever admit that you are wrong.

The money was not spent, it was lent to the Govt. by the purchase of Treasury bonds with the money. Bonds backed up by the full faith of the US Govt.
You are the one who is confused or is it lying?
 
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Just like someone from California blaming someone else for their own failures. Continued discussion about perceived Bush results is nothing more than a diversion from the failed Obama agenda. The current results are Obama's and there is nothing Bush did that created those results. I know how much you enjoy seeing the country become more like California with its high debt, high unemployment, and entitlement mentality.

I'll take the current results over those your hero left us with....any day of the week....and I'll take California over Texas as well. Hell...I'd take Arizona over Texas.
 
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The increases in spending are due to the belief that we need a 3.77 trillion dollar govt and that was never the intent of the Founders. Suggest reading a history book. Our Founders left England because of the govt. liberals are giving us today

Well the make up of that 3.77 trillion dollar govt is 60% that goes towards entitlement spending, 18% goes to defense spending, and 17% goes to funding the rest of the US government. Just to point out that if you have a problem with a 3.77 trillion dollar government then you're problem is entitlements. Everything other than entitlements is 1.2 trillion and less than half of that funds EVERYTHING the government does.
 
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The money was not spent, it was lent to the Govt. by the purchase of Treasury bonds with the money. Bonds backed up by the full faith of the US Govt.
You are the one who is confused or is it lying?

Yes, and where does the money come from to fund those IOU's? Liberalism has bankrupted this country but you cannot seem to understand the reality
 
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Well the make up of that 3.77 trillion dollar govt is 60% that goes towards entitlement spending, 18% goes to defense spending, and 17% goes to funding the rest of the US government. Just to point out that if you have a problem with a 3.77 trillion dollar government then you're problem is entitlements. Everything other than entitlements is 1.2 trillion and less than half of that funds EVERYTHING the government does.

Entitlement spending was paid for by payroll taxes and shouldn't be on budget. the fourth largest budget item is interest on the debt and when interest rates rise it will become much higher. You don't seem to understand the role of the Federal Govt at all or even basic civics and history.
 
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I'll take the current results over those your hero left us with....any day of the week....and I'll take California over Texas as well. Hell...I'd take Arizona over Texas.

Of course you would since apparently you aren't paying for the debt service on the U.S. Debt and have no problem with the entitlement mentality in your state that has bankrupted it. So much for liberal compassion.
 
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Of course you would since apparently you aren't paying for the debt service on the U.S. Debt and have no problem with the entitlement mentality in your state that has bankrupted it. So much for liberal compassion.

You have no problem with Bush on jobs.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
 
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John Boehner and Mitch McConnel are on the record stating in order for any sort of big bargain to take place they wanted either the age increased to 67 or Chained CPI.

The Presidented decided Chained CPI is the lesser of two evils and is offering it as a concession. I'm not sure how anybody that votes Republican can criticize the President for giving their party what they wanted.

I'm not complaining at all. Social Security shouldn't exist at all. I guarantee you if I had every dollar that I've paid to SS in my 401K right now, I'd be able to comfortably retire at 50.

Of course, Obama is scheming right now to get his hands on my 401K somehow because, after all, it's a racist program designed only for the wealthy.
 
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You have no problem with Bush on jobs.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

What purpose would it serve? Is it Bush's fault that we have 143 million Americans working today in a labor force of 155 million compared to 146 million working in December 2007 in a labor force of 153 million? Is it Bush's fault that 500,000 left the labor force last month and that we have a 17 trillion dollar debt today? Do you understand the concept of leadership and accepting responsibility. Apparently Obama doesn't understand either.
 
You watched the Republican ideology crash and burn in 2008, losing the
faith of the American people and 2 Presidential elections yet you still cling to it like it never happened. We tried it your way and didn't like the results. Time for something different.

No we watched Clintons policies that lowered the lending standards of Banks under threat of prosecution and lowered the standards of the GSEs crash and burn.

Right after he appointed his corrupt criminal buddies to run Fannie and Freddie.

Thats what crashed iggy.
 
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What purpose would it serve? Is it Bush's fault that we have 143 million Americans working today in a labor force of 155 million compared to 146 million working in December 2007 in a labor force of 153 million? Is it Bush's fault that 500,000 left the labor force last month and that we have a 17 trillion dollar debt today? Do you understand the concept of leadership and accepting responsibility. Apparently Obama doesn't understand either.
Who was president in December 2007?? Where do you get the 500K figure?? Are you blaming President Obama for all of the 17 trillion?
 
I'll take the current results over those
your hero left us with....any day of the week....and I'll take California over Texas as well. Hell...I'd take Arizona over Texas.

You wouldn't if you understood those results.

And you can keep that plague State you live in, as people leave in droves to relocate because a cancerous ideology ruined it for the middle class.
 
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Who was president in December 2007?? Where do you get the 500K figure?? Are you blaming President Obama for all of the 17 trillion?

From BLS.gov

Series Id:
LNS11000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title:
(Seas) Civilian Labor Force Level
Labor force status:
Civilian labor force
Type of data:
Number in thousandsAge:
16 years and over
 
You wouldn't if you understood those results.

And you can keep that plague State you live in, as people leave in droves to relocate because a cancerous ideology ruined it for the middle class.

LOL....you have been listening to too much right-wing propoganda. People are "leaving California in droves"...although I wish they would, too many people already want to live in California because it is such a great place to live. I would prefer to have paradise to myself. As for California being "ruined for the middle class".....jealous right-wingers have been making that claim for the past 3 decades...the right-wing propoganda machine has been claiming that California is "going bankrupt" for the past 25 years. Funny....their predictions have always been wrong....wonder why?
 
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From BLS.gov

Here is the chart you want to ignore

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS11000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Civilian Labor Force Level
Labor force status: Civilian labor force
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 2002 to 2012

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2002 143883 144653 144481 144725 144938 144808 144803 145009 145552 145314 145041 145066
2003 145937 146100 146022 146474 146500 147056 146485 146445 146530 146716 147000 146729
2004 146842 146709 146944 146850 147065 147460 147692 147564 147415 147793 148162 148059
2005 148029 148364 148391 148926 149261 149238 149432 149779 149954 150001 150065 150030
2006 150214 150641 150813 150881 151069 151354 151377 151716 151662 152041 152406 152732
2007 153144 152983 153051 152435 152670 153041 153054 152749 153414 153183 153835 153918
2008 154075 153648 153925 153761 154325 154316 154480 154646 154559 154875 154622 154626
2009 154236 154521 154143 154450 154800 154730 154538 154319 153786 153822 153833 153091
2010 153454 153704 153964 154528 154216 153653 153748 154073 153918 153709 154041 153613
2011 153250 153302 153392 153420 153700 153409 153358 153674 154004 154057 153937 153887
2012 154356(1) 154825 154707 154451 154998 155149 154995 154647 155056 155576 155319 155511
2013 155654(1) 155524 155028

Declining labor force each month of 2013. That is a liberal success story, isn't it, get more people to drop out of the labor force and off the roles of the unemployed thus show an improving percentage change?
 
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Who was president in December 2007?? Where do you get the 500K figure?? Are you blaming President Obama for all of the 17 trillion?

So pb, do you ever admit when you are wrong, I posted the chart showing the 500,000 drop in March which followed a 100,000 drop in February. When will you admit that liberalism has made a fool out of you?
 
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Here is the chart you want to ignore



Declining labor force each month of 2013. That is a liberal success story, isn't it, get more people to drop out of the labor force and off the roles of the unemployed thus show an improving percentage change?

Either you need new eyeglasses or your lying, which is it?
 
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Either you need new eyeglasses or your lying, which is it?

Not surprising, you cannot read the chart or choose not to read it

Labor force

155654(1) 155524 155028

You do realize that January numbers were 155.6, Feb numbers were 155.5, and March number were 155.0. Get someone to help you read these numbers and tell you that 155.0 is 500,000 less than 155.5

What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
 
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Not surprising, you cannot read the chart or choose not to read it

Labor force

155654(1) 155524 155028

You do realize that January numbers were 155.6, Feb numbers were 155.5, and March number were 155.0. Get someone to help you read these numbers and tell you that 155.0 is 500,000 less than 155.5

What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
LOL Were the numbers in January greater or less than December? BONUS QUESTION: Is January in 2013?
 
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The increases in spending are due to the belief that we need a 3.77 trillion dollar govt and that was never the intent of the Founders. Suggest reading a history book. Our Founders left England because of the govt. liberals are giving us today

Actually most of our founders left England because of religious persecution resulting from more conservative policies of the Anglican Church. I suggest that you should read a history book.

There is so much historically wrong with many of the things you guys have said.

1. Most world powers have fallen because of their own accord because of conservative tendecies. ex. Imperial China
2.I believe Erod said that "1000's" of world powers have fallen because of liberal tendencies? There have not been "1000's" of world powers.
3. The sub-prime mortgages went out of control only after Bush's deregulation.
4. you talk like deficit spending a purely liberal phenomenon, but it is practiced by conservatives in america as well.
 
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LOL Were the numbers in January greater or less than December? BONUS QUESTION: Is January in 2013?

Do you have an explanation for a 500,000 drop in the labor force from December 2012 to March 2013? Can you explain why since December 2007 when the recession began that the labor force grew from 153.9 to 155 or a 1.1 million increase in 5 plus years? That a success story for liberalism? January 2012 numbers up 100,000 over December 2012 but down 600,000 in March vs. January 2013. Please stop making a fool of yourself, it is embarrassing.
 
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