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I did a little digging, myself. http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/major-shootings.pdf

32 shootings in private homes where-in the victims were related to or romantically linked to the killer, who (in at least 23 of those instances) took their own life during the shoot out. Kind of hard to argue that a mass shooting of that nature is at all similar to the mass shootings comparable to the knife attack we're discussing in this thread. Hell, I would argue that ANY mass shooting in a home is an unequal comparison to other mass shootings simply based upon how people view "home" vs. "public" (i.e. inherently safe vs. inherently risky). But for the sake of argument, I'll limit it solely to the domestic violence encounters.

Then, you have 23 shootings that took place either inside of or immediately outside of bars. In MOST states, it is illegal to conceal or open carry in a bar. It would appear your link is arguing that since the area outside of the bar is NOT the bar, that any shootings occurring their would fall into the larger category of "legal carry" scenarios. I'd have to say that's a little dishonest (if that's the assumption), as most (if not all) of those shootings resulted from altercations between bar patrons, including those which ended up outside before shots were fired.

So you have the 23 bar shootings, plus the schools shootings. I didn't bother looking up which states (if any) allow you to legally carry a weapon (concealed or open) inside of a bar.

In any case, I guess I'm questioning the validity of your link, considering that little blurb is entirely un-cited.

If we're to assume 56 is the magic number of mass shootings (if your link is accurate in THAT regard), then close to half occurred in areas that are legal "gun free" zones, or immediately outside of those areas (i.e. outside of a bar after a spill-over altercation moves outside).
 
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They have banned box cutters on commercial aircraft. Hell, they've banned nailclippers.

And the fact of the matter is that people should NEVER have been allowed to take knives on planes. That stupid oversight (pointed out by people like George Carlin well before 9/11) was the single most preventable thing that allowed 9/11 to happen.

You must have missed this Tucker. TSA Chief: Knives Going to be Allowed on Planes | wltx.com
 
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I did a little digging, myself. http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/major-shootings.pdf

32 shootings in private homes where-in the victims were related to or romantically linked to the killer, who (in at least 23 of those instances) took their own life during the shoot out. Kind of hard to argue that a mass shooting of that nature is at all similar to the mass shootings comparable to the knife attack we're discussing in this thread. Hell, I would argue that ANY mass shooting in a home is an unequal comparison to other mass shootings simply based upon how people view "home" vs. "public" (i.e. inherently safe vs. inherently risky). But for the sake of argument, I'll limit it solely to the domestic violence encounters.

Then, you have 23 shootings that took place either inside of or immediately outside of bars. In MOST states, it is illegal to conceal or open carry in a bar. It would appear your link is arguing that since the area outside of the bar is NOT the bar, that any shootings occurring their would fall into the larger category of "legal carry" scenarios. I'd have to say that's a little dishonest (if that's the assumption), as most (if not all) of those shootings resulted from altercations between bar patrons, including those which ended up outside before shots were fired.

So you have the 23 bar shootings, plus the schools shootings. I didn't bother looking up which states (if any) allow you to legally carry a weapon (concealed or open) inside of a bar.

In any case, I guess I'm questioning the validity of your link, considering that little blurb is entirely un-cited.

If we're to assume 56 is the magic number of mass shootings (if your link is accurate in THAT regard), then close to half occurred in areas that are legal "gun free" zones, or immediately outside of those areas (i.e. outside of a bar after a spill-over altercation moves outside).

I didn't bother reading more than the first two lines of your post because it's obvious that your efforts serve only to obscure the fact that your previous comment was flat out wrong

maybe because most mass shootings take place in (shocker!!) "gun free" zones.
 
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I didn't bother reading more than the first two lines of your post because it's obvious that your efforts serve only to obscure the fact that your previous comment was flat out wrong

I see. I provide a thought out response and a link to sourced information to support my claim and refute data provided in YOUR link and you ignore it because, why? Is it too hard to do the research? Is it too challenging to think beyond un-cited claims from a biased source?
 
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2996 people were murdered on 9/11 by people with box cutters and the TSA has determined that we should allow knifes on planes again. Why havn't we the people demanded that congress ban box cutters nationwide? Or for that matter why have we not banned Commercial Aircraft? Why does it make sense to ban scary looking semi automatic firearms but not box cutters and commercial aircraft?
The obvious solution you're missing is to only allow trained professionals to pilot commercial aircraft, then 9/11 wouldn't have happened.
 
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No mass shooter has ever been stopped by a civilian with a gun.

Not true.

In fact, some mass shootings have been stopped by armed citizens. Though press accounts downplayed it, the 2002 shooting at Appalachian Law School was stopped when a student retrieved a gun from his car and confronted the shooter. Likewise, Pearl, Miss., school shooter Luke Woodham was stopped when the school's vice principal took a .45 from his truck and ran to the scene. In February's Utah mall shooting, it was an off-duty police officer who happened to be on the scene and carrying a gun.

Read more: People don't stop killers. People with guns do - NY Daily News

People don't stop mass shooters. People with guns stop them.
 
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Not true.



People don't stop mass shooters. People with guns stop them.

The Appalachian shooting was not a mass shooting and there is controversy on whether the civilians stopped him

Appalachian School of Law shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And Woodham wasn't stopped by a civilian with a gun. He had already stopped shooting, and when a civilian with a gun approached him, he drove away. He was stopped by losing control of the car and crashing.

And an off-duty police officer is not a civilian
 
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I have an Exacto kit here, very handy for plastics repair and such. There are 13 blades and 3 different handles in that box. Guess I won't be doing any plastics repairs in NYC.
 
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The Appalachian shooting was not a mass shooting and there is controversy on whether the civilians stopped him

Appalachian School of Law shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And Woodham wasn't stopped by a civilian with a gun. He had already stopped shooting, and when a civilian with a gun approached him, he drove away. He was stopped by losing control of the car and crashing.

And an off-duty police officer is not a civilian

For your statement to have any meaning, one would have to show that armed civilians had tried unsuccessfully to stop shootings. Or even that there were armed civilians there who did nothing. From those statistics one could find meaning. Just "It's never happened," doesn't really prove anything. In my opinion, of course,
 
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For your statement to have any meaning, one would have to show that armed civilians had tried unsuccessfully to stop shootings. Or even that there were armed civilians there who did nothing. From those statistics one could find meaning. Just "It's never happened," doesn't really prove anything. In my opinion, of course,

I disagree. My statement was a factual. You can take, or reject, whatever meaning you choose to.
 
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I disagree. My statement was a factual. You can take, or reject, whatever meaning you choose to.

Okay. Your statement was not a fact. And, standing alone, it was meaningless.
 
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And an off-duty police officer is not a civilian
If you're not in the military, you're a civilian. I know people like to refer to police as 'armed forces' in a colloquial sense, but police, and even the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, Director of the FBI, Director of the CIA, Director of Homeland Security, and the President are all civilians.

Since an on-duty cop is a civilian, an off-duty cop is also a civilian.
 
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Ghetto "College" with gang wars and everything.

I wonder what they're teaching there ?

How to pimp, cut rocks and proper "Gatt" hanlding techniques.

Losers

Your racism is despicable
 
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If you're not in the military, you're a civilian. I know people like to refer to police as 'armed forces' in a colloquial sense, but police, and even the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, Director of the FBI, Director of the CIA, Director of Homeland Security, and the President are all civilians.

Since an on-duty cop is a civilian, an off-duty cop is also a civilian.

Wrong

Civilian | Define Civilian at Dictionary.com
 
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You're quoting the colloquial sense of the word, which I've already accounted for...
If you're not in the military, you're a civilian. I know people like to refer to police as 'armed forces' in a colloquial sense, but police, and even the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, Director of the FBI, Director of the CIA, Director of Homeland Security, and the President are all civilians.

Since an on-duty cop is a civilian, an off-duty cop is also a civilian.
According to the 4th Geneva Convention, you are either a member of a country's military, or you are a Combatant posing as a civilian, or you are a civilian. Armed police are not members of a country's military. Police units are not sent to other countries to conduct war for the United States. US Police units do not operate under Title 32 or Title 10 United States Code. Therefor under international law police are Civilians.

I was formally briefed on what is and is not a "civilian" by the US Army in preparation for deployment, during deployment, and in cretin briefs for domestic civil emergencies, as it relates to warfare, detainment, and treatment of EPWs. A link to TheFeeDictionary.com, the least credible of all dictionaries in the world, does not counter that.
 
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You're quoting the colloquial sense of the word, which I've already accounted for...

I used the word colloquially
 
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Reports now say 14 stabbed with an exacto knife.....Hope they catch the other guy.

In Texas? With all the gun toters there? How is it he was able to bring a knife to a gun fight and no one shot him?
 
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In Texas? With all the gun toters there? How is it he was able to bring a knife to a gun fight and no one shot him?

The campus is a gun free zone.
 
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You'd think one of those smart teachers would've thrown something at his head to knock him out and down, therefore, resulting in him no longer swingin' that knife. Seems to me someone could've stopped him sooner. But then, that's just me.

I was wondering that myself. I would find something to nail him with.

But luckily I found this article and my faith in my fellow man is reassured.

Steven Maida was leaving the cafe on his college campus Tuesday when he saw people running. Then, he heard a girl scream: "My friend's been stabbed."

Maida said he saw blood on a stairway and several injured victims at the Lone Star College's CyFair campus northwest of Houston, Texas. One wounded woman had a hole her throat, one had a hole in her cheek and another victim had a stab wound in the back of his head, Maida said.

"I just took off downstairs running" and searching for the attacker, he said.

Maida told CNN he was among a group of students that chased the suspect, tackled him and pinned him down until authorities arrived. Investigators could not be immediately reached to confirm his account.
I am so damn tired of this crap. Don't want to even get into the gun debate but I know if someone had a concealed gun and could have safely taken him out we would all be better but I also know the young men chashing him would n't have felt so brave if he had a gun. So that argument is a wash.


I just hope the four victims who were so critical that they had to be taken out my helicopter will survive. I also feel for the many victims who were slashed and stabbed while just trying to walk to their classes.



Texas college stabbing: 14 injured, 2 in critical condition - CNN.com
 
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If he had a gun, there'd be a greater chance that there would be fatalities

true, and if his victims had guns there'd be a much greater chance of the taxpayers not having to spend thousands on his trials and incarcerations
 
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Even IF it were true, so what?
Most gun owners are focused on common crime, not mass shootings.
 
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No mass shooter has ever been stopped by a civilian with a gun.

stop that fibbing. Civilians were responsible for pinning down Charles Whitman on the texas tower and civilians killed him as well
 
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