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North Korea warns foreigners in South Korea

I wish we could send in Seal Team Six to go in and kidnap Un, bring him back here and give him a rubber hose treatment until he cries like a baby on national TV. Personally I'd choose TGND and DiAnna to do the honors. :lol:
 
Ikari said:
That's a two way street, buddy. Who gives a **** about your falling to the prodding of a crazy dumbass who ain't gonna do **** when push comes to shove? Go freak out if you want, nothing is going to happen and you'll just show off your Chicken Little mentality.

I'd rather not have emotional, hysterical folk in charge of decisions anyway.
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lol again its doesn't matter if im freaking out ( which im not) but people in positions have to take everything he says seriously because its their job. Which is why the US is bolstering forces on the border and why countries like Japan got their missile defenses out today.
 
Higgins86 said:
lol again its doesn't matter if im freaking out ( which im not) but people in positions have to take everything he says seriously because its their job. Which is why the US is bolstering forces on the border and why countries like Japan got their missile defenses out today.
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Of course we're bolstering forces. You think the government would let a chance to expand infinity war go by? Hell no! The people in charge, of course they want war, war keeps them in power.
 
Higgins86 said:
he gave the order that's all that is required of your president
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So...if this happened under W Bush, you'd defend him for getting Bin Laden just as ardently? I mean...all he would have done was give an order.

the massive increase in drone strikes
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Again...something that W Bush would have done exactly the same. Unfortunately drone use wasn't nearly as advanced or prevalent as it was under Obama. Kinda like giving credit to Bill Clinton for the internet boom in the 90's, even though the internet barely existed prior to his administration.

the afghan surge
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Yet people condemned W Bush for his surges.

topping the Libyan regime.
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How was Libya a threat to the USA?
 
Velvet Elvis said:
So...if this happened under W Bush, you'd defend him for getting Bin Laden just as ardently? I mean...all he would have done was give an order.


Again...something that W Bush would have done exactly the same. Unfortunately drone use wasn't nearly as advanced or prevalent as it was under Obama. Kinda like giving credit to Bill Clinton for the internet boom in the 90's, even though the internet barely existed prior to his administration.


Yet people condemned W Bush for his surges.


How was Libya a threat to the USA?
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doesn't matter Obama signed off on all these which goes against your original point that the Obama administration is passive.
 
Higgins86 said:
doesn't matter Obama signed off on all these which goes against your original point that the Obama administration is passive.
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He signed off on killing Bin Laden, because it would be a political disaster if he hadn't.
 
Ikari said:
Of course we're bolstering forces. You think the government would let a chance to expand infinity war go by? Hell no! The people in charge, of course they want war, war keeps them in power.
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And, yet, last I checked we haven't gone to war with the DPRK despite them handing us perfectly valid reasons daily. Not to mention all the recent defense cuts. Gee, there seem to be a couple giant ****ing gaping holes in your...well-thought-out....theory.

But, please, don't let reality get in the way of your 1984 conspiracy theory fantasy world. :roll:
 
Obama is using NK to prime the pump of public fear so when we do attack Iran it won't look like he is taking his orders from Israel. They are pre-framing the argument as bold leadership against nuclear proliferation. It isn't like NK hasn't been doing this same crap since 2006.
 
Velvet Elvis said:
He signed off on killing Bin Laden, because it would be a political disaster if he hadn't.
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it was also a massive risk considering they never had an actual visual of Bin Laden or any solid intelligence he was going to be in the compound. Obama signed off on it anyway and didn't even tell Pakistan a nuclear armed country that they would be invading their airspace. Took balls no matter how you cut it.
 
the_recruit said:
And, yet, last I checked we haven't gone to war with the DPRK despite them handing us perfectly valid reasons daily. Not to mention all the recent defense cuts. Gee, there seem to be a couple giant ****ing gaping holes in your...well-thought-out....theory.

But, please, don't let reality get in the way of your 1984 conspiracy theory fantasy world. :roll:
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We're not at war yet. Then again, we weren't at war with Iraq at some point in time. We weren't drone bombing Pakistan at earlier timelines either. So obviously the situation can change and governments can push towards war. So if you're done with stupid arguments that a 1st grader would come up with; please let's move on. Next time, please think before opening your pie hole.
 
Ikari said:
We're not at war yet. Then again, we weren't at war with Iraq at some point in time. We weren't drone bombing Pakistan at earlier timelines either. So obviously the situation can change and governments can push towards war. So if you're done with stupid arguments that a 1st grader would come up with; please let's move on. Next time, please think before opening your pie hole.
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Ah right. Of course. Your predictions just haven't come to pass YET. Any minute now, no doubt. :lamo
 
the_recruit said:
Ah right. Of course. Your predictions just haven't come to pass YET. Any minute now, no doubt. :lamo
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Pretend the government doesn't like war at the detriment to our freedom. I'd rather pay attention.
 
Ikari said:
Pretend the government doesn't like war at the detriment to our freedom. I'd rather pay attention.
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Pay attention to what? Reality? Or an Orwellian piece of fiction? :lamo

Every conspiracy theorist fancies himself enlightened to the one true horror of the world. The great irony is that they are the deceived. :roll:
 
Fisher said:
Obama is using NK to prime the pump of public fear so when we do attack Iran it won't look like he is taking his orders from Israel. They are pre-framing the argument as bold leadership against nuclear proliferation. It isn't like NK hasn't been doing this same crap since 2006.
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Dude you just said "Obama" and "bold leadership " in the same post. Might be time for a break.;)
 
tech30528 said:
Dude you just said "Obama" and "bold leadership " in the same post. Might be time for a break.;)
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Well not voting present is bold for him. It is just a matter of perspective.
 
the_recruit said:
Pay attention to what? Reality? Or an Orwellian piece of fiction? :lamo

Every conspiracy theorist fancies himself enlightened to the one true horror of the world. The great irony is that they are the deceived. :roll:
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Indeed, those paying attention and wishing that our government control its wars and the excuses it uses during such to rob us of our rights and liberties is certainly a "conspiracy" theory instead of measured reality :roll:

I'll never understand why people rally against science and math.
 
Ikari said:
Indeed, those paying attention and wishing that our government control its wars and the excuses it uses during such to rob us of our rights and liberties is certainly a "conspiracy" theory instead of measured reality :roll:
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Correct. :neutral:


Ikari said:
I'll never understand why people rally against science and math.
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And I've always wondered why animals need sleep.

Random, unrelated mysteries - that's what you were going for here right?
 
the_recruit said:
Correct. :neutral:
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I know. Controlling government is such a horrible thing, yes?

the_recruit said:
And I've always wondered why animals need sleep.

Random, unrelated mysteries - that's what you were going for here right?
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Nope, the inability of many to analyse situations and properly extract data and conclusion from a statistical set. That's what I was going for there. Perchance you need some more math and science in your life.
 
Ikari said:
I know. Controlling government is such a horrible thing, yes?
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Don't know what that has do with anything. The government - erm, excuse me I mean "gubmint" - is not acting out some evil master plan to engage in "infinity war" to keep the ignorant masses enslaved muahahahahahha. That's a fiction novel by George Orwell. Do you normally have this difficulty distinguishing fiction from reality?

Before we continue this discussion any further, have you put on your tin foil hat yet? They're probably listening, y'know. :lol:


Ikari said:
Nope, the inability of many to analyse situations and properly extract data and conclusion from a statistical set. That's what I was going for there. Perchance you need some more math and science in your life.
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I'm a mechanical engineer in the aerospace industry. I get pretty healthy dose of math and science in my daily diet, so please forgive me if I laugh at your proclaimed prowess to "analyse" situations and "properly extract data". Your mother must be so proud. "My son extracts data soooo properly". :lamo
 
the_recruit said:
Don't know what that has do with anything. The government - erm, excuse me I mean "gubmint" - is not acting out some evil master plan to engage in "infinity war" to keep the ignorant masses enslaved muahahahahahha. That's a fiction novel by George Orwell. Do you normally have this difficulty distinguishing fiction from reality?
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Well I'll put that up there with god. I'll believe it when we see it. I'd love, love, to see the day where we halt interventionism.

the_recruit said:
Before we continue this discussion any further, have you put on your tin foil hat yet? They're probably listening, y'know. :lol:
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How droll.

the_recruit said:
I'm a mechanical engineer in the aerospace industry. I get pretty healthy dose of math and science in my daily diet, so please forgive me if I laugh at your proclaimed prowess to "analyse" situations and "properly extract data". Your mother must be so proud. "My son extracts data soooo properly". :lamo
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I'm a physicist; I know way more.
 
Ikari said:
Well I'll put that up there with god. I'll believe it when we see it. I'd love, love, to see the day where we halt interventionism.
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I just showed you that we're not at war with DPRK, and we're in the process of making some serious defense cuts. It invalidates the idea that it's just a matter of "evil gubmint want war". The explanation "evil gubmint want war" is a lazy, oversimplified one. It does a piss poor job of explaining what we observe. The reasons we (and even countries close to your Orwellian fantasy such as North Korea) go to war and engage in other tools of foreign policy are much more nuanced and complicated than that. Any one liner explanation is bound to be a poor one.

But you'll continue believing it in spite of the facts or any argument I offer because believing otherwise threatens the world view you've taken and have become so comfortable with - the same reason any conspiracy theorist believes their nonsense in spite of evidence to the contrary.

Ikari said:
I'm a physicist; I know way more.
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No doubt. Like I said, your mother must be so proud of her little data extractor.
 
the_recruit said:
I just showed you that we're not at war with DPRK, and we're in the process of making some serious defense cuts.
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Oh, huzzah! There's a nation we're not bombing yet! Why that's true accomplishment right there! I feel so much better knowing that there's at least one place we have not started bombing yet. :roll:

the_recruit said:
It invalidates the idea that it's just a matter of "evil gubmint want war". The explanation "evil gubmint want war" is a lazy, oversimplified one. It does a piss poor job of explaining what we observe. The reasons we (and even countries close to your Orwellian fantasy such as North Korea) go to war and engage in other tools of foreign policy are much more nuanced and complicated than that. Any one liner explanation is bound to be a poor one.
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No it doesn't. Just because we ain't bombing North Korea doesn't mean that we aren't at war. I'm a bit surprised that had to be stated. Infinity war doesn't take place in just one theater, it requires a bit of mobility.

the_recruit said:
But you'll continue believing it in spite of the facts or any argument I offer because believing otherwise threatens the world view you've taken and have become so comfortable with - the same reason any conspiracy theorist believes their nonsense in spite of evidence to the contrary.
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Well I await this "evidence" of yours. Please show me I am wrong, cause I'd love to not be at war. It would be superb to halt our interventionism. Please show me the data.
 
Ikari said:
Oh, huzzah! There's a nation we're not bombing yet! Why that's true accomplishment right there! I feel so much better knowing that there's at least one place we have not started bombing yet. :roll:
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Oh, shall I list them all? Alphabetically?

Maybe then you'd be able to extract a trend from the data with your renowned data extraction powers.


Ikari said:
No it doesn't. Just because we ain't bombing North Korea doesn't mean that we aren't at war. I'm a bit surprised that had to be stated.
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No one has disputed that we are currently engaged in war in Afghanistan, so I don't have a clue why you're trying to counter such a position. :confused:

Ikari said:
Infinity war doesn't take place in just one theater, it requires a bit of mobility.
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Save your time - I'm not interested in the details of your "infinity war" babble.


Ikari said:
Well I await this "evidence" of yours.
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We are not at war with North Korea and we've recently made serious defense cuts. Just out of curiosity - how many more times would you like me to repeat it? I'm getting bored.

Ikari said:
Please show me I am wrong, cause I'd love to not be at war.
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Again, I don't know where you're getting this silly impression that someone said we're not at war in Afghanistan. Did you imagine in your mind that I said it and then get confused about imagination vs reality? It wouldn't be the first time, afterall. :confused:

Ikari said:
It would be superb to halt our interventionism. Please show me the data.
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I haven't said we've halted interventionism. Nor does our adherence to interventionism or lackthereof have any bearing on the fact that your claim is false - our government does not seek war to keep its own population.... enslaved.... or whatever it is you think is happening.
 
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