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Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

Baroness Thatcher's photograph is on the cover of this week's The Economist. The caption "Freedom fighter" is an apt description.:cool:
 
Your second statement is what I was trying to hint at. Here in the UK the main protesters on the streets all look suspiciously like they aren't old enough to have been born when Thatcher was in power, they're mostly all brandishing Socialist Worker Party / Socialist Worker posters or old union flags.

They don't represent the rest of us.

You read what you wanted to read because you were itching to make the cheap shot that you implied.

As much as you wish that they don't represent a constituency you are wrong.

Thatcher was as big a class warfare politician as any one of those revolutionary socialists that you turn your nose up at (while applauding the same characteristics in the Iron lady).

Guess what, I was there and they represent me but, I guess I'm probably one of the 'enemy within' and do not qualify as 'the rest of us'.
 
You read what you wanted to read because you were itching to make the cheap shot that you implied.

As much as you wish that they don't represent a constituency you are wrong.

Thatcher was as big a class warfare politician as any one of those revolutionary socialists that you turn your nose up at (while applauding the same characteristics in the Iron lady).

Guess what, I was there and they represent me but, I guess I'm probably one of the 'enemy within' and do not qualify as 'the rest of us'.

Well now, Thatcher's policies rewarded the "get up off your backside and do something" attitude as opposed to the "life owes me a living" whether they were poor / rich etc.

How does allowing working class council home owners buy their own property constitute class warfare?
How does 1 in 4 Brits owning shares by 1990 constitute class warfare?
Thatcher closed far less mines in her time than did Tony Benn (darling of the left) when he was in Wilson's 1960's government but all we ever hear from some is "Thatcher closed the mines!" Why do you continue to ignore these statistics?

Fact is - most of the people pictured in media broadcasts having street parties to celebrate her death all look young (under 30) and many are pictured brandishing Socialist Worker Party posters - do you dispute this?

Sky News Video and pictures

Guardian Video and article.

The Scotsman Article

About 12 protesters attempted a conga while chanting “Maggie, Maggie, Maggie, dead, dead, dead”. Most were under 30, if not 25. Why come to celebrate the death of a woman who lost power before you were born?
“Because Thatcher, and everything she stood for, is still relevant to me and my generation,” said one participant, 21-year-old Clopin Meehan, a film studies student at the University of Glasgow. “We live with her legacies. We’re the ones who are paying for it.”

Of course these people represent a constituency - does that constituency represent the rest of us? Has this constituency ever wanted what was best for our country or for another such as the USSR? Were not many of the 1970's and 80's union leaders most opposed to Thatcher or against moving UK industrial relations forward members of the UK communist party?

Some even members or moles for the KGB?
 
She sold off the public utilities at a discount, to be bought up by the elite 12% who now own 40% of Britain's wealth. She oversaw the decimation of the coal, steel, rail, and other major manufacturing industries, and showed precious little compassion while doing so. Above all, she is identified with hard times by families throughout the country.

" ...Mrs T shared the same reductionism. The organised working class, almost alone, had put Britain on the skids. Not the loss of imperial markets, not lazy management, not the education system, not the decline of the industrial ethic: bitter men standing on platforms and asking for a show of hands to down tools were solely to blame.

It may be wrong to imagine that she intended to de-industrialise Britain, but the policies followed by her government had that effect. A strong pound crippled exports and emptied factories. Having no social or political connection with the class most affected, she gave a very good impression of not caring. The south of England and the City of London were the future; the revenues from North Sea oil would pay for the unemployed in the old zones of manufacturing industry.

The day before she died I passed through Greenock on the train. In 1979 it had a mile or so of shipyards, a sugar works and factories that still made rope and ship's fittings. On Sunday, looking down at the waterfront, I could see how these had been replaced by a housing estate, a supermarket, and sometimes by nothing at all.

We can't blame (or credit) her for all of this, of course. But she personified the change from meaning to meaninglessness in so many settlements and lives, and for this reason she is hard to forgive

Strident, divisive, and in her own view infallible, and for these reasons hard to mourn..."

Why Margaret Thatcher is hard to mourn | Politics | The Guardian
 
The day before she died I passed through Greenock on the train. In 1979 it had a mile or so of shipyards, a sugar works and factories that still made rope and ship's fittings. On Sunday, looking down at the waterfront, I could see how these had been replaced by a housing estate, a supermarket, and sometimes by nothing at all.

We can't blame (or credit) her for all of this, of course. But she personified the change from meaning to meaninglessness in so many settlements and lives, and for this reason she is hard to forgive

Strident, divisive, and in her own view infallible, and for these reasons hard to mourn..."

Why Margaret Thatcher is hard to mourn | Politics | The Guardian

Those shipyards, the sugar works and factories only survived in 1979 because of subsidies and restricted trade that made all Britons poorer. She freed you from that. As The Economist proclaimed on its cover with her photo: "Freedom fighter.":cool:
 
Those shipyards, the sugar works and factories only survived in 1979 because of subsidies and restricted trade that made all Britons poorer. She freed you from that. As The Economist proclaimed on its cover with her photo: "Freedom fighter.":cool:

Of course she did. There, there.
 
She was a fascist who supported Pinochet and apartheid. Along with Reagan, her fraudulent economic policies have reduced our standard of living.
 
She was a fascist who supported Pinochet and apartheid. Along with Reagan, her fraudulent economic policies have reduced our standard of living.

there's a difference between dealing with reality and "supporting" something. And btw, many Chileans have a positive view of Pinochet. They credit him with laying the groundwork for modern, free, prosperous and democratic Chile. Thatcher saved the British economy. Her photo is captioned "Freedom fighter" on the cover of this week's The Economist. I think that's a good description. :cool:
 
She was a fascist who supported Pinochet and apartheid. Along with Reagan, her fraudulent economic policies have reduced our standard of living.

Pinochet's military gave the British task force radar cover when it was needed. We could have tried without Chile's radar support - the one day Chile turned it's radar off for servicing, Argentine aircraft successfully attacked the Sir Galahad and Sir Tristram. There were other problems on the ground that led to such a devastating attack but lack of radar warning did not help.
It's easy to sit in the comfort of your home and slander her, however she felt a debt to Chile which she honoured - whether it was convenient to her public status or not. That was her decision - not to run away or hide when Pinochet was in trouble.

Personally, I don't like what Pinochet stood for however his country helped us during a time of need and her support says something about her character.

Regarding apartheid, she opposed the sanctions - something I felt wrong but FW de Klerk, who was in a better place to judge and comment says she did not support apartheid - she simply opposed the sanctions.

As to her being a "fascist" - I think that has more to do with your political lean than facts on the ground.
 
“Circus dogs jump when the trainer cracks his whip,” but the really well-trained dog is the one that turns his somersault when there is no whip.”

George Orwell
 
“Circus dogs jump when the trainer cracks his whip,” but the really well-trained dog is the one that turns his somersault when there is no whip.”

George Orwell

Ironically, this serves pretty well for those who supported Scargill and shared his aims in bringing down the UK. 30 years later the ringmaster no longer leads his troops but they are still there, spouting the same propaganda and still wishing for a paradise which someone else pays for.
 
She was a fascist who supported Pinochet and apartheid. Along with Reagan, her fraudulent economic policies have reduced our standard of living.

if she was a male ,l wouldnt tolerate her

yes l am being sexist:lol:
 
if she was a male ,l wouldnt tolerate her

yes l am being sexist:lol:

She didn't do anything for women,..which was surprising..

But to revile an old woman with dementia is equally wrong..

We should have done something about her when she was in power..

The French wouldn't have stood for it!!
 
Pinochet's military gave the British task force radar cover when it was needed. We could have tried without Chile's radar support - the one day Chile turned it's radar off for servicing, Argentine aircraft successfully attacked the Sir Galahad and Sir Tristram. There were other problems on the ground that led to such a devastating attack but lack of radar warning did not help.
It's easy to sit in the comfort of your home and slander her, however she felt a debt to Chile which she honoured - whether it was convenient to her public status or not. That was her decision - not to run away or hide when Pinochet was in trouble.

Personally, I don't like what Pinochet stood for however his country helped us during a time of need and her support says something about her character.

Regarding apartheid, she opposed the sanctions - something I felt wrong but FW de Klerk, who was in a better place to judge and comment says she did not support apartheid - she simply opposed the sanctions.

As to her being a "fascist" - I think that has more to do with your political lean than facts on the ground.

I get many Chilean tourists where I am at the moment and they are mostly apolitical people. The overwhelming response when I gently ask them about that period is that he saved Chile from a Civil War, designed modern Chile, and resigned as 'dictator' when he should have. Many on the left just don't know what Allende was up to, how Castro spent so much time there, the seizure of private properties, etc. The general consensus seems to be that they were glad to see him come and glad to see him go, but he was certainly not the man the Left portrays him. He does not come close in comparison with any left wing dictator, but this reality is generally ignored.
 
Perhaps, but she was a westerner leader.


at least some people are still honest enough to admit their hatred towards the east...........
 
at least some people are still honest enough to admit their hatred towards the east...........

I don't HATE the east. There's just too much of it to hate and it would take up too much of my time.

I do have a laugh occasionally though at any country that would call itself "Turkey", and which was influenced by a footstool.

But laughter is a lot different from 'hate'.
 
Are progressives not done degrading her yet while they attempt to claim they're morally superior to those who don't adhere to their hate?

Funny thing is I have seen a lot of disgusting hateful tweets coming from the UK about her death - the same type of hate that would get someone arrested over there if it was spoken about a random "minority."

Of course progressives will say "not all progressives are like that" - oh yes they ****ing most certainly are!
 
But to revile an old woman with dementia is equally wrong..

We should have done something about her when she was in power..




Thatcher did some good things and some not-so-good things.

I agree that it's a little late to criticize her now, won't change a thing.

So I'll just say say RIP.
 
Would that so many others had done simply this.
 
at least some people are still honest enough to admit their hatred towards the east...........

I have a problem with Sharia Law - not the people who suffer under the idea or "law."

Telling people what they need to do or how they should live their life kills a society - just like the US is dying now with restrictive anti-individualism laws, both state and federal.

Many people don't like to be told how to live their lives, however governments believe they know how people should live their lives and tell people via legislation how to live their lives.

With that said I feel bad for every victim of Sharia... Of course not all countries in the East are like that but in "general" they are.

I suppose authoritarianism and totalitarianism comes in all shapes and forms weather it is government, religion or social stigma.
 
I don't HATE the east. There's just too much of it to hate and it would take up too much of my time.

I do have a laugh occasionally though at any country[B] [B]that would call itself "Turkey[[/B]/SIZE][/B]", and which was influenced by a footstool.

But laughter is a lot different from 'hate'.


HAHA!!


l call myself turkey ?

what an ignorance:shock:

"turk" means strong

it is not my problem if you anglo saxons are fond of turkey meat

but l know we are really tasty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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