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Baroness Thatcher dies, age 87 [W:113]

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Navy Pride said:

Rest in peace great lady.

Now I will rant...I have been following politics for over 50 years and I can't believed the disgusting behavior of the left on the news of her death....I mean to celebrate and party at the news of her death is unbelieveable. You would think its as low as it can get when at your so called rallys you burn our troops in effigy but now this to say the things they have after she has died is unforgiveable, For once I am at a loss for words. You lefties should be ashamed of yourself and be denoucing these activities.
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"The kind people have a wonderful dream -
Margaret on a guillotine.
And people like you make me feel so tired.
When will you die, when will you die,
When will you die, when will you die"

Morrissey rules!

 
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alexa said:
Lest there be an argument as to her being a psychopath. Not all psychopaths are mass murderer's. Indeed many are businessmen and in Management where their ability not to feel or care about other people often is an asset as it appeared to be for her. She cared not one bit when people died on hunger strikes or the sinking of the Belgrano or any of the other things which.
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I do believe the word you are looking for here is "sociopath" rather than "psychopath". It is sociopathy which has been much publicized by way of incidence among the more agressive business people.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
No surprise Callaghan, Heath and Wilson all get a free pass from you. To you, the UK industry and economy in the 1970's was just peachy.
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No, it wasn't, but in comparison to how it is today, peachy might be a reasonable description. I remember the 70s fine, and I remember how much worse were the early-to-mid-Eighties and the early Nineties. Bust after artificial boom, after bust. We're in another bust at present, but my assessment of Thatcher is far from being all about economic policy. It's about NI policy, foreign, social, health and education policy. She was terrible on all of those, so I'd be critical even if she had effected the great economic miracle that you seem to be claiming. But she didn't.
 
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The second greatest political Briton of the 20th century, after only Winston Churchill. RIP. :2ukflag::2usflag::2ukflag::2usflag::2ukflag:
 
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head of joaquin said:
"The kind people have a wonderful dream -
Margaret on a guillotine.
And people like you make me feel so tired.
When will you die, when will you die,
When will you die, when will you die"

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Morrissey rules!

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And you believe that?
 
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Jack Hays said:
The second greatest political Briton of the 20th century, after only Winston Churchill. RIP. :2ukflag::2usflag::2ukflag::2usflag::2ukflag:
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Good evening,Jack.

I've posted this before, but it bears repeating. WELL DONE! Mrs. Thatcher. R.I.P.
 
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polgara said:
Good evening,Jack.

I've posted this before, but it bears repeating. WELL DONE! Mrs. Thatcher. R.I.P.
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Repetition does nothing but underscore idiocy.
 
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alexa said:
Infinate, Thatcher was a psychopath. Plain and simple. Her projects were not intended to help people, they were there simply to create the society she wanted.

Lest there be an argument as to her being a psychopath. Not all psychopaths are mass murderer's. Indeed many are businessmen and in Management where their ability not to feel or care about other people often is an asset as it appeared to be for her.
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You've got a copy of a psychologist's report to prove this?

alexa said:
-- She cared not one bit when people died on hunger strikes
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Context is important methinks. Were these ordinary people in NHS hospitals? Chinese prisons? IRA prisoners - where do you stand on the claims by Gerry Adams and the counter claims by Richard O’Rawe on the decisions made inside and outside the prisons?

alexa said:
-- or the sinking of the Belgrano or any of the other things which have been mentioned.
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BBC Link. Conqueror staff recall sinking of Belgrano - includes some background.

alexa said:
-- i understand that the TUC have been selling Thatcher Death pack's --
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No surprise that the unions don't recall her fondly.

Andalublue said:
No, it wasn't, but in comparison to how it is today, peachy might be a reasonable description.
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I'm all ears for how today is worse than the 1970's. You made the claim, please back this up.

Andalublue said:
We're in another bust at present, but my assessment of Thatcher is far from being all about economic policy.
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You're going to claim the credit crunch is down to Thatcher?

Andalublue said:
It's about NI policy
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Andalublue said:
-- foreign
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LOL, when half of Eastern Europe is lauding her role and the other half (the old communists) hate her - I can see where you stand.

Andalublue said:
-- social
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Andalublue said:
health
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Andalublue said:
education policy. She was terrible on all of those
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Andalublue said:
-- I'd be critical even if she had effected the great economic miracle that you seem to be claiming. But she didn't.
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I'm all ears for how the economy otherwise turned around from where it was heading throughout the 1970's to where we've been the last 20 years.
 
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Jack Hays said:
The second greatest political Briton of the 20th century, after only Winston Churchill. RIP. :2ukflag::2usflag::2ukflag::2usflag::2ukflag:
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Very apt graphic. Both she and Churchill were happy to live under the flag of a foreign nation, provided it was that one.
 
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head of joaquin said:
"The kind people have a wonderful dream -
Margaret on a guillotine.
And people like you make me feel so tired.
When will you die, when will you die,
When will you die, when will you die"
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Morrissey also said in 2005 that people like Labour Leader Tony Blair have proved that in order to succeed in politics you must be cruel and morally bankrupt and that he saw no difference between Blair and Saddam Hussein both being egotistical dictators. He went on to say perhaps the only difference is that Blair does it with a smile, Murder and smile .... as Shakespeare said and that Good people do not succeed in politics - it's impossible.

Not that I am particuarly interested in what Morrissey thinks, his views are no more worthy than any one elses.
 
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alexa said:
Lest there be an argument as to her being a psychopath. Not all psychopaths are mass murderer's. Indeed many are businessmen and in Management where their ability not to feel or care about other people often is an asset as it appeared to be for her. She cared not one bit when people died on hunger strikes or the sinking of the Belgrano or any of the other things which have been mentioned.
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The second case I don't know much about, but hunger strikes depend on the other side giving in to your demands simply because they feel sorry for you. I find it contemptible behavior that should not be humored by anyone. People that go on hunger strikes should be told to get a sandwich or suffer the consequences of their stupidity of deciding to starve. Just because you are stupid and decide to starve doesn't mean I have to give in to you.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
I'm all ears for how today is worse than the 1970's. You made the claim, please back this up.
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I've already provided the government's own stats showing that unemployment was lower. Now there are higher levels of personal debt, government debt, social and economic inequality, and child poverty. Which of these claims do you dispute? Here's a useful source...

How Britain changed under Margaret Thatcher.

You're going to claim the credit crunch is down to Thatcher?
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You going to continually move the goalposts?

LOL, when half of Eastern Europe is lauding her role and the other half (the old communists) hate her - I can see where you stand.
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Corrupt politicians everywhere have been lauding her. The Oligarchs absolutely love her. I can see the people you're siding with.

I'm all ears for how the economy otherwise turned around from where it was heading throughout the 1970's to where we've been the last 20 years.
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I've done quite a lot of leg-work already. I'm now going to wait and see how you justify your claim that ordinary British people are so much better off now than they were in the 1970s.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
You give us 100 minutes of propaganda Andy - here's 4 minutes of factual review by ITN News.



Not all miners wanted to strike - many wanted to work, that's the bit your videos gloss over.
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Thanks for the video. :) It's amazing that people think the right course of action is to strike when action is taken on a business that is not turning a profit. Do they think they should be allowed to work at a place of employment that is running into the red? If so, why? I still can't help to laugh at people that want to nationalize things and then cry when the government acts on those things nationalized. What did they think would happen, exactly? Oh right, they never listen to people like me. We are selfish assholes that don't care about anyone.
 
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Bonzai said:
The idea that you could take a late 20th century world power and magically transport it back 50 years in time foreign policy wise, 200 years back in time legally, and 3,000 years back in time socially.........................
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That doesn't really explain it, but just raises more questions.
 
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Andalublue said:
I've already provided the government's own stats showing that unemployment was lower. Now there are higher levels of personal debt, government debt, social and economic inequality, and child poverty. Which of these claims do you dispute? Here's a useful source...

How Britain changed under Margaret Thatcher.

You going to continually move the goalposts?

Corrupt politicians everywhere have been lauding her. The Oligarchs absolutely love her. I can see the people you're siding with.

I've done quite a lot of leg-work already. I'm now going to wait and see how you justify your claim that ordinary British people are so much better off now than they were in the 1970s.
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I moved no goalposts - you made the claim about how all things are worse. I'll give you some more balanced reading in contrast - figures from the Office of National Statistics.

By the way - I'd still like to see you back up the social / political / foreign policy etc claims you made against Thatcher.
 
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Henrin said:
-- Do they think they should be allowed to work at a place of employment that is running into the red? --
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It's worse than this, the expectation that the rest of the country pay for and subidise their employment for ever (jobs for life ideals) ran deep as you can see from those I disagree with even now.
 
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Henrin said:
Thanks for the video. :) It's amazing that people think the right course of action is to strike when action is taken on a business that is not turning a profit. Do they think they should be allowed to work at a place of employment that is running into the red? If so, why? I still can't help to laugh at people that want to nationalize things and then cry when the government acts on those things nationalized. What did they think would happen, exactly? Oh right, they never listen to people like me. We are selfish assholes that don't care about anyone.
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The miners might have gained more status had they mined for pearls that weren't there rather than coal that wasn't there.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
It's worse than this, the expectation that the rest of the country pay for and subidise their employment for ever (jobs for life ideals) ran deep as you can see from those I disagree with even now.
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To be honest, I think it has much more to do with how she and her government tackled the issue, than the actual lost jobs and massive subsidies needed to keep them alive. I am not saying the miners were angels in this fight.. they made mistakes as well, but the hard nosed gestapo tactics that Thatcher and the police used to break the backbone of the miners and basically all resistance to Thatcher was not very democratic, nor in many ways legal under standards today. But that is how Thatcher was... pissing on the law and democracy if they were in her way.. just like with Northern Ireland.

Look at it this way, subsidizing mines was technically illegal under EEC law and it was not long after that many other industries including mining were basically cut off from massive state subsidies across Europe. It was a slog fest, but it was only in the UK that there was such much violence and basically gestapo tactics invoked.
 
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Grant said:
Britain might have gained more status had they mined for pearls that weren't there rather than coal that wasn't there.
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Err the coal was and still is there. It was never an issue about lack of coal, but an issue of relying on outdated technology and high costs vs other countries new technology and lower costs.
 
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PeteEU said:
Err the coal was and still is there. It was never an issue about lack of coal, but an issue of relying on outdated technology and high costs vs other countries new technology and lower costs.
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Then here's your chance to make a worthwhile investment, perhaps with a consortium of other wise capitalists who recognize an opportunity and are keen to get involved in a centuries old industry.

It seems that British leftists wanted their governments to invest in more coal mines and American leftists want their government to invest in wind and solar. Both ideas seem to have led to big time losses for the taxpayers.
 
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Grant said:
Then here's your chance to make a worthwhile investment, perhaps with a consortium of other wise capitalists who recognize an opportunity and are keen to get involved in a centuries old industry.

It seems that British leftists wanted their governments to invest in more coal mines and American leftists want their government to invest in wind and solar. Both ideas seem to have led to big time losses for the taxpayers.
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Are you saying that we should not invest in centuries old energy industries... like oil, which is older than coal?

And it had nothing to do with left or right, but nationalistic pride. When the right were in power they did nothing, because coal was the foundation of the British Empire... much how oil is seen as the basic foundation for the US today and all other energy sources are scorned... by among others you.
 
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:) ;) :2wave:

"Well, Margaret Thatcher is perhaps the politician I have the greatest admiration for. I am reading her memoirs at the moment"

Tony Blair
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