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Pastor Rick Warren's son commits suicide

And never mind facts. The news about Warren's son's suicide came from staff members of his church whom he e-mailed. Not a press release.
 
nota bene said:
And never mind facts. The news about Warren's son's suicide came from staff members of his church whom he e-mailed. Not a press release.
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Yeah, I don't understand those people. Probably looking for their 5 minutes or something. It should totally be the family's call if they want a "press release" not some staff members.

Anyway, while I might not agree with Warren, respect him, or approve of anything he's ever done, said, or stood for, my condolences to the family.
 
Ahlevah said:
Would the house have been safer for the son if the gun had not been there? Considering that my dad used a piece of nylon cord to do himself in, I doubt it. But try defending yourself with that or, say, your bathtub. So much for relevance.
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Suicide in the U.S.: Statistics and Prevention

What should I do if I think someone is suicidal?

"If you think someone is suicidal, do not leave him or her alone. Try to get the person to seek immediate help from his or her doctor or the nearest hospital emergency room, or call 911. Eliminate access to firearms or other potential tools for suicide, including unsupervised access to medications."

"Suicide by: Males (%) Females (%)
Firearms 56 30
Suffocation 24 21
Poisoning 13 40"

NIMH · Suicide in the U.S.: Statistics and Prevention
 
Fisher said:
yeah I missed the part about him call gays inferior. Where exactly is that in the clip again?
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Oh, I forgot. Some people like to pretend that comparing same-sex relationships to adultery and not thinking same-sex couples are worthy enough to get married like heterosexual couples are is calling same-sex relationships and, in turn, gay people inferior. Hey, as long as you don't say the word "inferior", you're in the clear, right? I guess all those people who didn't think black people were worthy of marrying white people totes didn't think blacks were inferior, LOL. :roll:
 
Grant said:
Another real tragedy, Sharon, and I am so genuinely sorry for your loss.

In retrospect we can see these 'hints' but all of us at one time or another express some dissatisfaction with the way our lives are going. Only when the worst occurs do we look at it differently but often this is only thinking of how you might have responded differently, something that might have been said or done, in order that this might never have happened. You are thus blaming yourself to some degree, and we both know you can't and shouldn't do that.

Depression is an illness and we are not trained on how to diagnose it or treat it but we do know that there is a level of greater awareness happening of this disease and perhaps earlier recognition and better treatment is on the way. Meanwhile we all suffer from it, in one way or another.

I get the feeling, and i certainly don't know, that this young man, Mathew Warren, shot himself in the head because that was the source of his pain and hurt, and that was the only way he could relieve it. It's something few of us will ever understand.
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My brother suffered a horrible tragedy 35 years earlier... My other brothers tell me that we were lucky to have had him with us for so long... but we do miss him.
 
nota bene said:
Thank you for asking this question. I don't know the answer--how people can sit in judgment of an experience that they blessedly know nothing about or exploit instantly a partisan angle or whatever. These are two heartbroken parents and two siblings who are still in shock. The detachment and lack of compassion just stun me.
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It's the result of intellectualizing, rather than empathizing, which happens when an individual is emotionally isolated from humanity at large, and believes that he has some sort of edge over his fellow humans. Intellectualism without it's good companion, love, is a barren desert for human existence.
 
Bonzai said:
Normal people have nervous breakdowns over the death of a child. And they can barely talk, let alone issue statements to the press..................
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Who are you to tell anybody how they should handle something like this? Normal people indeed. No such thing.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Yeah, I don't understand those people. Probably looking for their 5 minutes or something. It should totally be the family's call if they want a "press release" not some staff members.

Anyway, while I might not agree with Warren, respect him, or approve of anything he's ever done, said, or stood for, my condolences to the family.
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Maybe it was their way of trying to avoid the inevitable throng of press hounds that will come. I guess it releived the initial pressure.
 
Nothing like letting politics get in the way of civility. Some things are more important than bipartisan ship or political issues. But don't let that get in the way of your hate people.
 
iguanaman said:
Unless you get your stomach pumped.
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Gabrielle Gifford didn't have to get her stomach pumped in order to live.

We can nitpick over all these stupid points all day, but that does not change anything. Suicide by pills leads to the same end as suicide by gun. And, in either case, who is the one responsible? The one who commits the act. It is an idiotic statement to make, demanding that something be banned, while not putting responsibility where is actually rests - On the person making the decision, and not on the instrument that was used, whether it was pills or a gun.
 
danarhea said:
Gabrielle Gifford didn't have to get her stomach pumped in order to live.

We can nitpick over all these stupid points all day, but that does not change anything. Suicide by pills leads to the same end as suicide by gun. And, in either case, who is the one responsible? The one who commits the act. It is an idiotic statement to make, demanding that something be banned, while not putting responsibility where is actually rests - On the person making the decision, and not on the instrument that was used, whether it was pills or a gun.
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Wrong. And the DATA proves it.

Says HSPH Professor of Health Policy David Hemenway, the ICRC’s director: “Studies show that most attempters act on impulse, in moments of panic or despair. Once the acute feelings ease, 90 percent do not go on to die by suicide.”
But few can survive a gun blast. That’s why the ICRC’s Catherine Barber has launched Means Matter, a campaign that asks the public to help prevent suicide deaths by adopting practices and policies that keep guns out of the hands of vulnerable adults and children. For details, visit Harvard School of Public Health » Means Matter.
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Harvard School of Public Health » HSPH News » Guns and suicide: A fatal link
 
iguanaman said:
Wrong. And the DATA proves it.



Harvard School of Public Health » HSPH News » Guns and suicide: A fatal link
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Again, I am not going to nitpick on the smaller points, but speak to the issue at large. I refuse to be sucked in by word games.

So, if someone decides to commit suicide, they are not responsible? Only the instrument they use is, and everybody else who has an instrument like it is supposed to be penalized for what that person did? Sorry, but as I already stated, that statement is idiotic. The person who did the act is RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN ACTIONS.
 
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danarhea said:
Gabrielle Gifford didn't have to get her stomach pumped in order to live.

We can nitpick over all these stupid points all day, but that does not change anything. Suicide by pills leads to the same end as suicide by gun. And, in either case, who is the one responsible? The one who commits the act. It is an idiotic statement to make, demanding that something be banned, while not putting responsibility where is actually rests - On the person making the decision, and not on the instrument that was used, whether it was pills or a gun.
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56% of men use guns for suicide in the US and 13% use poison.
 
Catawba said:
56% of men use guns for suicide in the US and 13% use poison.
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"If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words, cars make people drive drunk, and spoons made Rosie O’ Donnell fat."
 
Grant said:
"If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words, cars make people drive drunk, and spoons made Rosie O’ Donnell fat."
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danarhea said:
Again, I am not going to nitpick on the smaller points, but speak to the issue at large. I refuse to be sucked in by word games.

So, if someone decides to commit suicide, they are not responsible? Only the instrument they use is, and everybody else who has an instrument like it is supposed to be penalized for what that person did? Sorry, but as I already stated, that statement is idiotic. The person who did the act is RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN ACTIONS.
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Now I have heard it all. Suicide is NEVER a responsible action and it is often done at the spur of the moment. The data shows that just having a gun around results in a higher number of suicides per capita. You should at least be able to weigh the pros AND cons of gun ownership accurately, don't you think?
 
iguanaman said:
Now I have heard it all. Suicide is NEVER a responsible action and it is often done at the spur of the moment. The data shows that just having a gun around results in a higher number of suicides per capita. You should at least be able to weigh the pros AND cons of gun ownership accurately, don't you think?
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How do you know suicide is done "at the spur of the moment"? Do you have any understanding of how depression works?

Here is a list of countries which have the highest suicide rates in the world. Why not check to see how many fit your criteria?

List of countries by suicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Grant said:
If the problem is crazy people then that's the problem that should be addressed.
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We are trying to do exactly that. But the gun nuts think they should be allowed to purchase weapons with no questions asked.
 
You know the NRA has not stopped ALL studies relating to guns and gun deaths.

•The Houston study interviewed 153 survivors of nearly-lethal suicide attempts, ages 13-34. Survivors of nearly-lethal attempts were thought to be more like suicide completers due to the medical severity of their injuries or the lethality of the methods used. They were asked: “How much time passed between the time you decided to complete suicide and when you actually attempted suicide?”

One in four deliberated for less than 5 minutes! And nine out of ten deliberated less than a day (Simon 2005).

24% said less than five minutes

24% said 5-19 minutes

23% said 20 minutes to 1 hour

16% said 2-8 hours

13% said 1 or more days
•An Australian study of emergency department visits found 40% of attempters took action within 5 minutes of deciding to attempt (Williams 1980). The authors summarized seven earlier studies that found one-third to four-fifths of attempts were impulsive.
•In an Australian study of survivors of self-inflicted gunshot wounds, 21 of 33 subjects (64%) stated that their attempt was due to an interpersonal conflict with a partner or family member (deMoore 1994). Most survivors were young men who did not suffer from major depression or psychosis, and the act was almost always described as impulsive. A similar study in Texas with 30 firearm attempters found 60% had experienced an interpersonal conflict during the 24 hours preceding their attempt (Peterson 1985).
•At least one-third of suicide decedents under age 18 experienced a crisis within 24 hours of taking their life, according to NVISS data drawn from police and coroner/medical examiner reports. The proportion with a crisis declined with age. In some cases the crises were not just same-day but virtually same-moment (as when decedents shot themselves in the midst of an argument).
•Interviews with 268 patients hospitalized for a poisoning suicide attempt in Sri Lanka found that just over half took the poison after less than 30 minutes of thought, often directly following an argument (Eddelston 2006). While most of the patients survived their attempts, 13 died. Like the nonfatal attempters, over half of those who died deliberated less than 30 minutes.

More studies (Impulsivity & Planning)
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Harvard School of Public Health » Means Matter » Impulsivity and Crises
 
Catawba said:
We are trying to do exactly that. But the gun nuts think they should be allowed to purchase weapons with no questions asked.
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Well there are gangs of gun nuts roaming the streets of Chicago, ironically the Community Barrack Obama apparently organized. What is being done about that? Or Fast and Furious, when gun nuts in the Dept. of Justices unleashed all those weapons on the Mexican people? Any progress there?
 
danarhea said:
Gabrielle Gifford didn't have to get her stomach pumped in order to live.

We can nitpick over all these stupid points all day, but that does not change anything. Suicide by pills leads to the same end as suicide by gun. And, in either case, who is the one responsible? The one who commits the act. It is an idiotic statement to make, demanding that something be banned, while not putting responsibility where is actually rests - On the person making the decision, and not on the instrument that was used, whether it was pills or a gun.
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Some people have abnormal genes that rears it ugly head once in a while. My mother was afflicted with schizophrenia, she didn't commit suicide, but my brother's grandson committed suicide with my brother's gun who foolishly didn't lock it in a safe place.
 
pbrauer said:
Some people have abnormal genes that rears it ugly head once in a while. My mother was afflicted with schizophrenia, she didn't commit suicide, but my brother's grandson committed suicide with my brother's gun who foolishly didn't lock it in a safe place.
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Further studies certainly have to be done to recognize what causes suicides and what we can do to more easily recognize the problems.

From the available stats it's clear that access to guns is not the main cause of suicides.
 
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