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Judge strikes age restrictions for "morning after" pill

sangha said:
I think that is some case, it would be best for the parents to be informed, and in other cases, it would not. I think that it's best if we do not require pharmacists to make that decision

And again, making Plan B OTC for females under 17 says nothing about their sexual activity aside from acknowledging that it happens.
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And when it happens, parents or someone responsible should be made aware so that they can talk to this child and find out why and what is going on in this child's life. THAT is the responsible thing to do. Not to send her to the pharmacy for some pills to prevent a pregnancy. Pregnancy is only PART of the problem. When things like this are going on, parents now have even LESS opportunity to be involved in a meaningful way in their children's lives.

They should have made a minimum age for this. I wonder how many here also support abortions at "any" age?

Edit to add: Abortions at any age WITHOUT parental knowledge and consent.
 
American said:
Can a four year old take this medication?
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A 9, 10 or 11-year-old can. You are aware that some girls start menstruating (which means they can become pregnant) as young as age 8 and 9 years old?
 
ChrisL said:
Don't you think that if an underaged child becomes sexually active and/or pregnant, that it is a smart idea that parents know about it? Or do you think that it's harmless if children are sexually active?
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What's left out of the discussion is the relationship between the young woman and who had intercourse with her. It's quite possible she was raped by an older man or older relative and too embarrassed to tell her parents or maybe it was an older classmate or even someone from her class at school who forced her. Do we really believe that all 13yr old girls or young teens have sexual intercourse willingly?

I hope there's some form of inquiry at the pharmacy when a young woman goes to purchase this pill.
 
CanadaJohn said:
What's left out of the discussion is the relationship between the young woman and who had intercourse with her. It's quite possible she was raped by an older man or older relative and too embarrassed to tell her parents or maybe it was an older classmate or even someone from her class at school who forced her. Do we really believe that all 13yr old girls or young teens have sexual intercourse willingly?

I hope there's some form of inquiry at the pharmacy when a young woman goes to purchase this pill.
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Or under the pressure of their "older" boyfriends.
 
ChrisL said:
And when it happens, parents or someone responsible should be made aware so that they can talk to this child and find out why and what is going on in this child's life. THAT is the responsible thing to do. Not to send her to the pharmacy for some pills to prevent a pregnancy. Pregnancy is only PART of the problem. When things like this are going on, parents now have even LESS opportunity to be involved in a meaningful way in their children's lives.

They should have made a minimum age for this. I wonder how many here also support abortions at "any" age?
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I disagree. The time for parents to take actions that prevent this from happening don't begin when the child engages in sex. It should happen long before that.

And allowing young females to buy this OTC does nothing to hinder a parents ability to be involved in their childs life in any way.
 
sangha said:
I disagree. The time for parents to take actions that prevent this from happening don't begin when the child engages in sex. It should happen long before that.
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Fortunately, it is not up to YOU when parents decide to talk with their children and vice versa. It is completely their decision. They are the ones responsible for their children (or supposed to be anyway). Whether or not they did not talk with their children before sex happens does NOT take away their rights to know what their minor children are doing (who THEY are responsible for in every single way). Do you understand that?


And allowing young females to buy this OTC does nothing to hinder a parents ability to be involved in their childs life in any way.
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It most certainly does, if only for the fact that if the child had to go to the parent, then the parent is made aware of what is happening. That is just plain common sense. A child who is in trouble should go to their parent or another elder that they trust, but they shouldn't be left to their own devices to solve such complicated, life-changing problems.
 
ChrisL said:
A 9, 10 or 11-year-old can. You are aware that some girls start menstruating (which means they can become pregnant) as young as age 8 and 9 years old?
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That's not the point, the point is why are 8 year olds having sex?
 
ChrisL said:
Fortunately, it is not up to YOU when parents decide to talk with their children and vice versa. It is completely their decision. They are the ones responsible for their children (or supposed to be anyway). Whether or not they did not talk with their children before sex happens does NOT take away their rights to know what their minor children are doing (who THEY are responsible for in every single way). Do you understand that?
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And it's not up to the pharmacist or the govt either.

And parents do not have a right to know when their children legally purchase an OTC medication.



It most certainly does, if only for the fact that if the child had to go to the parent, then the parent is made aware of what is happening. That is just plain common sense. A child who is in trouble should go to their parent or another elder that they trust, but they shouldn't be left to their own devices to solve such complicated, life-changing problems.
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Wrong. With or without this knowledge, the parents should be talking about such matters to their children and building the sort of trusting relationship with their child that would encourage the child to be open with her parents.
 
sangha said:
And it's not up to the pharmacist or the govt either.

And parents do not have a right to know when their children legally purchase an OTC medication.




Wrong. With or without this knowledge, the parents should be talking about such matters to their children and building the sort of trusting relationship with their child that would encourage the child to be open with her parents.
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LOL! I'm willing to BET that you don't have any children. It's obvious that you know very LITTLE about children and teenagers and how they tick.
 
American said:
That's not the point, the point is why are 8 year olds having sex?
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Some children are sexually molested by their own family members and often times by close family friends and acquaintances.
 
ChrisL said:
LOL! I'm willing to BET that you don't have any children. It's obvious that you know very LITTLE about children and teenagers and how they tick.
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I'm willing to bet that you resort to personal attacks because you've run out of arguments
 
sangha said:
And it's not up to the pharmacist or the govt either.

And parents do not have a right to know when their children legally purchase an OTC medication.





Wrong. With or without this knowledge, the parents should be talking about such matters to their children and building the sort of trusting relationship with their child that would encourage the child to be open with her parents.
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Whether or not parents do or do not talk to their children does not negate the fact that leaving children and young teens on their own when it comes to such complicated issues is a TERRIBLE idea. This is NOT about punishing or rewarding the parents. Do you understand what I am saying?
 
ChrisL said:
Some children are sexually molested by their own family members and often times by close family friends and acquaintances.
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Therefore, we should contact the family if they try to buy Plan B :screwy:
 
sangha said:
I'm willing to bet that you resort to personal attacks because you've run out of arguments
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Oh, so betting on if you have children is a personal attack now huh? Good Lord!
 
sangha said:
Therefore, we should contact the family if they try to buy Plan B :screwy:
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If the point could fly any further over your head, I'd be surprised. :roll:
 
ChrisL said:
Whether or not parents do or do not talk to their children does not negate the fact that leaving children and young teens on their own when it comes to such complicated issues is a TERRIBLE idea. This is NOT about punishing or rewarding the parents. Do you understand what I am saying?
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If parents do not talk to their children *before* they engage in sex, or if they fail to create a trusting relationship with their children, then for all practical purposes, they have left their teens on their own.
 
sangha said:
If parents do not talk to their children *before* they engage in sex, or if they fail to create a trusting relationship with their children, then for all practical purposes, they have left their teens on their own.
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Nope, you're wrong. There can be many, many things that get in the way of a "trusting relationship." You are simplifying a complicated relationship.

Also, that does not mean that parents should ever be left in the dark about these kind of important matters. It's just stupid. There is a reason why children have and need parents.
 
American said:
I guess we could legally reach into the womb now with a pair of tweezers and feed the pill to the fetus, then it could self-abort and no one would have to feel guilty.
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Plan B only prevents ovulation.
If an egg has been released it will not prevent fertilization of the egg.
Since Plan B does not contain estrogen the lining of the uterus is not affected so Plan B does not prevent a zygote ( fertilized egg ) from implanting.
Plan B will not harm a zygote, embryo or a fetus.
 
ChrisL said:
And since WHEN do minors make their own medical decisions, WITHOUT any parental input? It isn't a medical decision, it's a stupid decision.
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Again, it's a medical decision, not a political one. What you're talking about is politics, not medicine. If the politicians want this drug restricted I'm sure they'll pass a law making it so. I do not want the FDA making political decisions and, by law, they can't - and this case was won exactly because the FDA can't make those decisions.
 
ChrisL said:
This is another interesting statement. Please explain where there is bigotry when people are concerned about some judge ruling that children below age of consent should be making their own medical/sexual decisions.
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No judge made that decision. You misunderstand the case.

The case was whether the FDA had the authority to put an age restriction on something when there is no medical proof there should be such a restriction. It's a medical issue, not a political one.
 
CanadaJohn said:
What's left out of the discussion is the relationship between the young woman and who had intercourse with her. It's quite possible she was raped by an older man or older relative and too embarrassed to tell her parents or maybe it was an older classmate or even someone from her class at school who forced her. Do we really believe that all 13yr old girls or young teens have sexual intercourse willingly?

I hope there's some form of inquiry at the pharmacy when a young woman goes to purchase this pill.
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ChrisL said:
Or under the pressure of their "older" boyfriends.
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So now only adult females should be allowed to purchase this OTC?

Jeez, is it OK with you if I pick up my wife's birth control pills when I stop in for bread and milk? Or does she have to make a special trip just to appease you?
 
ChrisL said:
LOL! I'm willing to BET that you don't have any children. It's obvious that you know very LITTLE about children and teenagers and how they tick.
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I do. My daughter is now 31 and the mother of three, the first of which she had at 19, almost a year after she got married.
 
ChrisL said:
Some children are sexually molested by their own family members and often times by close family friends and acquaintances.
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Sadly, they are. This decision won't stop that from happening.
 
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